Things you shouldn't joke about?

[piichinu]

depending on who you are, you can make a joke about it.
but if you're like white, you can't make jokes about being asian or whatever.
and if you haven't been raped or abused, you shouldn't make jokes about that either.

after all, why do you need to "cope" if it's never happened to you?

 

[f11]

Who in society sees people with mental or physical disabilities or illnesses as lesser??? And how would joking influence that??? Please, inform me, since you're SO ****ing smart. I don't see them as lesser and I don't know a single person that does.

I'm all for your ability to tell me to shut up or call me whatever stupid thing you want. I'm not telling anyone they can't, unlike you who has no sense of humor about anything, ever, and think it's okay to dictate what others should and shouldn't say.

So I should be able to say "I hate all __ They should go die I will kill them all" without any repercussions because "free speech"

 

[piichinu]

So I should be able to say "I hate all __ They should go die I will kill them all" without any repercussions because "free speech"

if u say JK! XD u will be fine

 

[brownboy102]

Who in society sees people with mental or physical disabilities or illnesses as lesser??? And how would joking influence that??? Please, inform me, since you're SO ****ing smart. I don't see them as lesser and I don't know a single person that does.

I'm all for your ability to tell me to shut up or call me whatever stupid thing you want. I'm not telling anyone they can't, unlike you who has no sense of humor about anything, ever, and think it's okay to dictate what others should and shouldn't say.

Hey there, calm it down. You're making assumptions that aren't true.

And the mentally/physically ill are seen as lesser everywhere. In certain religion, if your child has a mental illness, it is seen as something horrible, and that you should abandon/disowned/put your child up for adoption.

I'm sorry if you can't look around and see that the world isn't all pansy fields and love hearts to see that the world currently isn't at an equal state.

 

[piichinu]

>Who in society sees people with mental or physical disabilities or illnesses as lesser???
>you're so autistic
>that's really ********
>what a schizo

Ok miii

 

[Miii]

So I should be able to say "I hate all __ They should go die I will kill them all" without any repercussions because "free speech"

Yes, besides the "I will kill them all" part because you'd then be threatening people with physical harm. But the "I hate this group of people, they should go die" part, you should absolutely be allowed to say because your opinion, no matter how dumb or hateful, has no bearing on anyone's life but your own. If you say "I hate you, go die" to someone, they have the choice not to listen and to walk away from that conversation, whether it's in person or online. The government should NOT be able to punish people for having their own opinion and saying what they think.

 

[piichinu]

Oh yeah, not to mention "do you have an extra chromosome?"

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Yes, besides the "I will kill them all" part because you'd then be threatening people with physical harm. But the "I hate this group of people, they should go die" part, you should absolutely be allowed to say because your opinion, no matter how dumb or hateful, has no bearing on anyone's life but your own. If you say "I hate you, go die" to someone, they have the choice not to listen and to walk away from that conversation, whether it's in person or online. The government should NOT be able to punish people for having their own opinion and saying what they think.

Usually, people who say things like that, go and shoot up public areas. But anyway

 

[Miii]

Oh yeah, not to mention "do you have an extra chromosome?"

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Usually, people who say things like that, go and shoot up public areas. But anyway

No, not usually. There are plenty of bigoted *******s that won't shoot a school up, and you can't punish people for what you think they might do. If they do it, punish them. If they're just an *******, then you have no obligation to talk to them or be around them or agree with their opinions, and you're free to voice your side of the argument as well, if changing their mind is important to you.

 

[guardgirl]

i mean, the world is funny. youll grow to be so unhappy if you cant find the light in the misfortunes. the "jokes" i dont understand are the kind where they have to explain it was a joke. if your joke ends with "calm down it was a joke" its probably told in an inappropriate way. i dont get the shaming of people who get easily offended with certain topics.. if you hurt someone, just apologize. its something taught in preschool and the fact that adults cant do that is a bit crazy to me. act your age some. but honestly if its funny and its obvious to your entire audience that youre making a joke, i dont see why there should be too many problems.

in short, joke to be funny, not to purposely hurt other people.

 

[Tao]

Jokes about any subject are fine.


The only things that should really be taken into account are the audience and the situation, and how you handle the situation should depend upon that. I mean, if you tell a cancer joke at a funeral, people are pretty justified in voicing their offence to that. If you decide to watch a known offensive comedian, you should either shut up or leave if you get offended, not cause a scene and demand an apology.

Basically what len and crys said. Don't make jokes about marginalized people/people with illnesses/disabilities since those "jokes" contribute to how society sees them as lesser.

I would argue that the type of people who would view those people as lesser would do so regardless of the joke, and that somebody isn't going to think any less of them because of the joke.

Though maybe I'm putting too much faith into people.

 

[brownboy102]

Yes, besides the "I will kill them all" part because you'd then be threatening people with physical harm. But the "I hate this group of people, they should go die" part, you should absolutely be allowed to say because your opinion, no matter how dumb or hateful, has no bearing on anyone's life but your own. If you say "I hate you, go die" to someone, they have the choice not to listen and to walk away from that conversation, whether it's in person or online. The government should NOT be able to punish people for having their own opinion and saying what they think.

So you're saying hate speech should be allowed because of free speech?

The most compelling argument I've seen to allowing hate speech is this:
"People should be allowed to use hate speech so that they can be corrected. Without being told what is right and what is wrong, these people will continue to hold these opinionated matters. If they say it, they can be corrected."

I don't see that anywhere in your argument, which is why I do not agree with it.

 

[Licorice]

There's a big difference between "I hate all __ They should go die I will kill them all" and a joke. That isn't a joke, that's a threat. If people are gonna be racist/prejudice against a group of people then they are already gonna be like that and not because of a joke.

 

[Fleshy]

Who in society sees people with mental or physical disabilities or illnesses as lesser??? And how would joking influence that??? Please, inform me, since you're SO ****ing smart. I don't see them as lesser and I don't know a single person that does.

I'm all for your ability to tell me to shut up or call me whatever stupid thing you want. I'm not telling anyone they can't, unlike you who has no sense of humor about anything, ever, and think it's okay to dictate what others should and shouldn't say.

I could try and explain it but there's no point. I'm honestly not sure what to say to you if you really believe that people don't look down or see disabled people as lesser. You're always going on about those darned sjw's who won't open their eyes to other people's opinions but I'm pretty sure you're rather deluded on what actually goes on in the world if you believe that nobody thinks of people with disabilities as lesser.

There's many people here who think null has a sense of humor, just because he doesn't make negative jokes about marganilised people to get laughs, doesn't mean he has no sense of humor. I'm sure most people would think he's funnier than you, but that's irrelevant. You're not for dictating what people say? unless that's people calling you racist or transphobic right? because damn those sjw's.

People definitely take policing other's speech way too far, and I don't agree with it, but you're literally saying that hate speech is acceptable "because free speech"?

 

[kayleee]

I really don't like rape jokes at all they are just in really poor taste

 

[Miii]

So you're saying hate speech should be allowed because of free speech?

The most compelling argument I've seen to allowing hate speech is this:
"People should be allowed to use hate speech so that they can be corrected. Without being told what is right and what is wrong, these people will continue to hold these opinionated matters. If they say it, they can be corrected."

I don't see that anywhere in your argument, which is why I do not agree with it.

Okay, if you make hate speech illegal, then you have to come up with a legal definition for hate speech so people can be prosecuted. Once there was a legal definition, people would find loopholes and continue voicing their opinions in ways that weren't technically considered "hate speech" (which doesn't actually hurt anyone, by the way). With loopholes would come additional rules and the broadening of the definition so that people could continue being prosecuted for this "crime". Before you know it, we won't be allowed to criticize people at all because anything that could possibly be considered offensive would be hate speech. Taking away free speech or limiting it with a subjective term like hate speech creates room for more controlling laws and a more controlling government. People should be allowed to say whatever they want, and people should be able to argue their side, no matter what.

 

[ams]

I find that there aren't really any subjects that I think should be completely off limits but there's a huge difference between someone joking about something dark that they've experienced themselves or seen firsthand vs. something that they haven't. For example I've seen comedians make jokes about topics like racism or child abuse that really make you think, and that kind of humour comes from life experience. However the majority of the time when someone makes those types of jokes it just comes off ignorant and offensive.

 

[SilkSpectre]

Dead baby jokes ick. Idk if those are still around but I hated hearing them over vent during raids back when I played WoW.

 

[Cory]

Joke about anything
The more offensive the funnier it is

 

[brownboy102]

Okay, if you make hate speech illegal, then you have to come up with a legal definition for hate speech so people can be prosecuted. Once there was a legal definition, people would find loopholes and continue voicing their opinions in ways that weren't technically considered "hate speech" (which doesn't actually hurt anyone, by the way). With loopholes would come additional rules and the broadening of the definition so that people could continue being prosecuted for this "crime". Before you know it, we won't be allowed to criticize people at all because anything that could possibly be considered offensive would be hate speech. Taking away free speech or limiting it with a subjective term like hate speech creates room for more controlling laws and a more controlling government. People should be allowed to say whatever they want, and people should be able to argue their side, no matter what.

I didn't say anything about legality.

Saying whatever you want is a freedom people will take for granted. Sure, it'll be all nice when it starts, but then things'll get bad. People will disagree with the law, too. These laws are put in place for there to be more peace. Along with that, there are more pressing matters than being able to have free speech. You already have free speech, actually. You can say what you want, can you not? Right now, you could just say, "I hate __" or "__ is stupid". The free speech argument is talking about media coverage. The media has such a large influence on everything too that people's opinions can just be changed like that.

You aren't thinking about repercussions either. If this is legalized, do you think peaceful protests will be peaceful? Do you think riots will be kept under control? Hate speech will have the opposite effect.

 

[Miii]

I could try and explain it but there's no point. I'm honestly not sure what to say to you if you really believe that people don't look down or see disabled people as lesser. You're always going on about those darned sjw's who won't open their eyes to other people's opinions but I'm pretty sure you're rather deluded on what actually goes on in the world if you believe that nobody thinks of people with disabilities as lesser.

There's many people here who think null has a sense of humor, just because he doesn't make negative jokes about marganilised people to get laughs, doesn't mean he has no sense of humor. I'm sure most people would think he's funnier than you, but that's irrelevant. You're not for dictating what people say? unless that's people calling you racist or transphobic right? because damn those sjw's.

People definitely take policing other's speech way too far, and I don't agree with it, but you're literally saying that hate speech is acceptable "because free speech"?

I doubt that most people genuinely believe that a person is lesser because they can't walk, don't learn as quickly, lack social skills, etc. You can make fun of a group of people and not consider them any less human, and maybe that's something you don't understand. I got ripped on all through middle school and high school for being one of 3 redheads in my entire school district. Did they hate me, want me to die or think that I deserved fewer rights than them because they called me Orihime or firecrotch (much to my extreme embarrassment)? No, they were just being (occasionally hilarious) jerks.

Nvll, hiyori and whoever else can call me whatever they want. I would rather they didn't call me something I'm not, but I defend their right to do so if they choose to. Free speech should include all speech, not just what we want to hear for reasons I listed in my response to Sparro.