Mafia The Real Housewives of Mafia - Town Wins

[glow]

fwiw i claimed to dad and i think he's p legit overall

 

[unravel]

Even short reasoning on all these would help. This is a very big null list and there's a lot of content in thread from most people you have labelled null.

Daddy boo whats the point giving out my reasoning if its same as others plus the game is so cancer esp EoD I literally feel left out in game

 

[Geoni]

Because you put it to a scale, waffles, and even if a lot of the reasoning is the same, seeing why said reasoning puts people into a townread or a null or a scumread gives us information on you.

 

[Endless]

So first things first; that EoD was a hellish rollercoaster, and wasn't necessarily handled very well. Like at all. Punchy literally townslipped when he offered to be lynched - no ****ing noob scum is like "pls lynch me over prs thx".
So that was a really, really poor lynch choice, but the good news is there's a lot of good news.

That EoD had more content than I could pretty much ever ask for.

I could ramble on for literal pages about the information in there, but instead I'm going to summerize it in a reads list.

Legend:
Locktown
Strong town
Weak town
Null
Weak mafia
Strong mafia

Farobi: I've never seen a game that didn't have a detective. Well, I have, but I've played hundreds of games, and I can count the number of times there was no detective on my hands.
Honestly, while I was rereading that EoD, I was chanting in my head "flip to farobi" when there was about 30 minutes left, so you can imagine my excitement when it almost happened - which is to say, that if he wasn't det, I'd have almost certainly nailed him to a cross tomorrow.
But he is det, which means there's borderline no way he's mafia.
Which I'm going on to demonstrate how stupidly townsided PM games are; Everyone claim in PM to Farobi - Farobi, don't share the claims with anyone you can't strongly identify as town. Dad and Glow are not options for strongly identified town, and neither is anyone you have a strong townread on without necessarily having a great reason for it. (That's how mafia get inducted into town circles and blow **** up.)
I'd suggest evan as someone you can correspond with, but that's up to your interpretation.
AmazonEvan: Once again, had this guy as mafia due to some inconsistencies (irrelevant now, but if required I can bring them up as a "this is why I thought this thing) but the PM ness leaked of him is like straight up blatant town.
If it's faked, then good ****ing job, but I really don't think it's faked.
Ness: Same as AmazonEven, except there does exist a slight chance that he shared the pm as mafia anyway just for a butt load of town cred. I don't believe that's the case, but the possibility is enough that I'm not going to lock him. Ness is lightyears away from the chopping block though.
Dad: I initially put him as purple on this list, but couldn't figure out a good reason to lock him. Then I put him as strong town, but again, couldn't find a reason to justify it. The reason I'm putting him as weak town? I like his claim. I like what he's saying about his character, but my character is a less relevant character from a non-recent airing of housewives, so I don't know if relevancy of character in the show is all that important.
That being said, I still think he's a poor lynch choice at the moment.
Dolby: Contrary to glow, I love his "godfather" flavour hunt early in the game. I haven't ever seen a mafia pull a stunt like that. I have seen Dolby pull some weird stunts before though, which is why I'm only listing him as weak town.
I think Glow's case against Dolby is pretty garbage.
Zendel: I don't really like doing meta reads, but this is Zendel's town play to a T. I'm not going to provide this as a strong read, because meta reads should never be strong, but I have reason to suspect he's town so far and none to suspect otherwise. (Dad's case against him is poop)
Kat: I originally had Kat as orange, then null, but in retrospect, I like her punchy defense. I'm going to insert the caveat that if arsonist is mafia, then punchy's townslip wasn't a townslip, but I already iterated earlier that arsonists are almost always third party. (And consequently I will assume that they're third party unless proven otherwise)
I still don't like some of her early play - it seems sloppy, but as EoD approached her content was quite solid.
Panda: She hasn't done anything especially definitive in any direction, really. I don't think her defending inactives is a tell.
Vanessa: I don't think she's done anything super telling so far. She has some content though, if I was to change this read it'd be to weak town.
Mog: Moved from orange. No real strong convictions, no real direction. I thought about it though and that doesn't diverge strongly from town!mog, so I redacted the weak scum read.
Sensai: I was soooo tempted to put him as orange, he has actually 0 content, but has posted several times. That being said, I think town!sensai could possibly do that. So I'm going to sum him up as just not having done anything.
Chele: Realistically, Chele is grey for me, I'm just putting chele as orange in my reads list to prove a point - the point being that Chele has jack**** no content and of course she's not going to repeat some terrible mafia play she's done in the past. Anyone townreading Chele is off their rocker, and I'm sticking to this. (Not to say that Chele is necessarily not town, but that current logic identifying her as town is abysmal.)
Dedenne: I can't count the number of "I'm confused" posts on one hand. Hell, I don't know if I could count them on 2. Dedenne posted 3 posts about catching up, and upon catching up, did absolutely no comment on the ridiculous event that they'd just read over.
I know they're new, but this feels like they're scared to be noticed/want to appear like they're still doing stuff. A trait much more common among mafia members than town players.
Heyden: Confused where the townreads on this dude came from. To clarify, I never thought he was town from his doused claim - I just think that there's no way in high hell he's the arsonist. (If the arsonist does wind up being mafia, which seems wildly unlikely to me, then he isn't mafia.)
He then went on ask the doctor to PM him. Obviously, this could've just been a panic reaction, which is why I have him as orange rather than red, but I don't see where the townreads on this dude are stemming from.
I don't think any of his content is too great.
ITYW: General inconsistency, in post 770 she asked "why lynch dedenne without crucial evidence" then goes on to list dedenne as one of her 2 strongest scumleans here.
In another post she declares that Punchy is probably third party and shouldn't be lynched as it could be his wincon (possibly as a joke) but then goes on to vote Punchy "because he asked for it" - just straight logical dissonance.
First point is much more relevant than the second, which might not have been particularly serious.
Glow: Forgive me for being suspicious of a lack of claim. This all can be sorted out by Farobi once he gets all the claims. I think Glow's content is beyond lackluster.
That being said, not having time at this time in the year is super acceptable, and I'm not really going to be putting pressure here given that and the fact that pressuring a blue role is the stupidest thing you can do.
Endless: Blatant mafia, how haven't you guys seen it yet.

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It was my last resort, not an opportunity, I hate having to claim especially when it's just going to get me roleblocked. I literally sent a message to Endless to unvote me, only wanting to use it as an appeal to as few people as possible. In this case just one, who at the time I saw as having come to his senses about me. Of course I felt like time was running out and the nature of my job could mean I get absolutely no time to participate in EoD if an emergency happens, so I had to just spill it in the thread.

Yeah sorry about that, I absolutely would've CFD'd off you if I didn't sleep through my alarm.

 

[unravel]

Well this game is a mess for me anyway was last min vote punchy then I'm like **** it ill just vote for him.

For Dedenne when Farobi brought about chick sk thing in his opinion (newbie!Chick pretended dunno what sk means and in the end we realized shes sk) thats where I realized something also Dedenne shud know the GF thing she played for more than 3 games she should know what GF means

 

[Farobi]

So I've been getting juicy PMs and it's really too much for me to handle lmao

DOCTOR PM ME ASAP.​

I've been thinking long and hard on who to investigate which could potentially make it easier to classify people. I am not going mention my final investigation to anyone just to play safe. I had a number of claimers - but looking at the bigger picture it just doesn't add up to what I think is a balanced game. I really need to live so please dont kill me filthy scum.

And also another request, foretold from a previous game:

Don't roleblock me tonight. Mwah

 

[moonford]

What the hell happened last night?

 

[Farobi]

What the hell happened last night?

It made my workload doubly greater, and at christmas time at that </3

 

[glow]

to: town
from: glow

a page by page analysis, something i?ve never done before. since i didn't post much d1, see this post for all of my thoughts about it. to help make this easier to read, here's a key:​

things i think are scummy are in this color.
things i think are towny are in this color.
things i think indicate teams are this color.
things that are just mechanics/facts are in this color. tbh, you can ignore these unless you are looking for context of my reads.

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page 15
toads makes daystart post at the very bottom of the page, includes message from crier: "KilL ThE GodfAthErs oNe of TheM aLwAys turnS oUt To be scuM"

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page 16
is where the game actually starts, meaning where people other than host starts talking. this is where punchy made The Joke That Started It All - the seventh post of the game.

the reason i said that punchy's joke was obvious was honestly because it WAS obvious, to anyone who is looking at the context of punchy?s post. in his joke he references farobi and dolby.

You heard the man, kill Kat, Endless, Glow, and Dad

the first post of the game is dolby?s, seen above.

Ok

will the vote thread be up soon?

the second post of the game is farobi?s, seen above.

now that we have all refreshed upon these two posts. let?s look at punchy?s joke.

I'm just going to go with gut feeling and say my thoughts about the few posts so far. Dolby seems kind of agressive so far with his 1 post, kinda sus. Farobi's post: I don't like it. Kinda sus.

@god please. please pls explain to me how this clearly wasn?t a joke. ?dolby is kinda aggressive? (dolby posted a joke about how we should kill the gfs) and farobi posted ?ok.? and some random question.

related to this?. dolby later mentions that punchy ?retracts his fos when people start to push him on it?
FACT CHECK: false(???) vanessa asks immediately [page 16]:

You find this suspicious Punchy??

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Or are you joking I can't tell

two whole minutes after ?The Joke That Started It All? punchy says:

J O K E S

S A R C A S M

in response to vanessa. TWO MINUTES AFTER HE MADE THE JOKE. nobody had reacted negatively to his joke yet, vanessa asked a simple question and calling that a negative response is a huge reach.
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nothing much here, chele makes their first post, farobi makes a point i agree with here [townreading punchy for one of the same reasons i did]:

Im just shi-posting man theres nothing to go off of yet. i'd townlean you though cause of how eager you are to play and the quick presumption of your gut leans.

and i wanna build connections so you all are welcome to slide into my PMs

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Tbh, I kinda feel that Punchy's play so far. Kinda feels like cheap reactions, but more ingenuine than last couple of games. Moreover, the content feels like just trying to inject himself in. I know that he said he was joke-sussing, but the retraction also doesn't feel genuine.
Chele is more engaged than last game, points for that, though it's early in the day and she's actually around this time with more people than just herself, herself, and herself

dolby calls punchy?s joke a grab for cheap reactions which is somehow ingenuine. idk where it becomes ingenuine, because i don?t see it as such. outs fast townread on chele, when they only had one game related post(?).

Spoiler: chele?s only game related relevant post made at this time

Time to solve anagrams!
Okay hi guys, I?m checking in now. Since I?m on holiday, I?ll be going a lot of places throughout the day (without internet) and I?ll be more active tomorrow.

chele makes a post at #174 disagreeing with dolby about punchy and saying that his hyper-ness is similar to last game. vanessa agrees with dolby?s tr of chele.

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hayden outs that he was doused. dolby poses the idea of invisible n0. IMO, arso is a day action and they probably can ignite during night.

nothing else really notable except waffles has a really interesting (and imo, somewhat likely) idea

I also have this feeling too butanother stupid question is it possible to have scum!crier to distract and keep us out of track

mafia crier wouldn't be far fetched in this setup...if crier is indeed mafia, it would be odd of waffles to put this out there if he?s mafia as well.

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page 21-23 LOTS OF JUICY INTERACTIONS YUM

page 21 endless considers n0 as well, points out unlikely scenarios (like hayden being arsonist and claiming doused n1??) then points out their unlikeliness?. uhh what was the point of that exactly? then says he agrees with dolby. [about punchy?s post not being a joke]

MY THOUGHTS: 99% sure there's one scum between endless/dolby but they are not a team. endless, why would you agree with that not being a joke, considering the context of the timing and the two posts punchy was speaking

interesting line by chele here seemingly retracting her tr on punchy:

Okay. Punchy has rung a bell for me. I?m definitely gonna go look back at his posts privately. I?m not going to announce what it is unless I?m fully confident about him... in which I?m not.

i would like to know what this is talking about.

Why exactly should town doctor pm you?

bad post. empty and useless, clearly doctor wouldn?t pm hayden and clearly hayden wasn?t actually asking.

Dolby, I can see where you?re coming from when you?re saying that Punchy is suspicious, but do you really think that he?d call your joking post about killing the pros and Farobi?s voting question sus? Honestly when I first saw it, I knew that it was a joke. Despite Punchy?s skill level, he wouldn?t even dare to be serious and call it sus, then retract it by saying it?s a joke.

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Plus, Vanessa didn?t even sus him, she just asked him if it was a joke. If somebody actually sussed him for that post and he retracted it that way, then sure that?d be sus but Vanessa just asked if it was a joke. If he was serious then he?d admit it imo.

really good post by chele. please note the last paragraph. she continues her defense about punchy?s Joke That Started It All. meanwhile?. endless sides with dolby. here:

Vanessa's post was disbelief.

Think of it like this: if you go for some cool stunt and someone asks "was that meant to be a joke?" The peer pressure could cause you to respond with "yeah wasn't it funny" rather than actually owning up to what you just did.

A similar circumstance is seen here, while it's nothing definitive, puffy could have backed out because his post was addressed with disbelief.

disbelief is a loooong stretch. she just asked whether or not punchy found it sus. it?d be disbelief if vanessa had said something like ?you seriously believe that?? or something like that. but she asked plainly, ?you find that?s suspicious? or are you joking i can?t tell?

Well, when I first read it, it didn't seem like a joke post to me. And the way that Endless presented it is honestly spot on on how I feel about it

well?. really would be weird if endless and dolby were both mafia with this interaction here. i don?t think mafia usually wants to use their teammates arguments as examples of their own thoughts.

Okay but think about it like this:
A man tells you that a unicorn passed by his house. Obviously it?s a fake story because unicorns don?t exist.
But then you say that you believe it, even though you know it?s a fake story.
So therefore it?s a joke that you say you believe it.
Same thing as Puffy?s post.
Wait
Wait
Wait a second

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I?m going to quickly skim through the thread. I may have to PM someone for this... I think somebody just slipped.

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Okay Dolby & Endless, I think I agree with you about Punchy.

i don?t really know what happened here. i would be interested in chele discussing this, but it seems that whoever she thinked slipped isn?t dolby, as she PM?d him about it. again, this type of interaction means chele/dolby aren?t a scumteam?.and honestly, i think chele is town 100% of the time. ness makes a post saying this as well.

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panda makes good points about sensai missing farobi?s RQS. i feel like this was overlooked by mostly everyone. farobi missed questions somewhat relevant, and chele skipped one less relevant. i feel that this speaks more on sensai than it does for farobi.

@Gallade you didn't notice ? so are you skimming the thread ?

panda?s definitely attentive in this section, not sure what to make of panda of a whole but sensai/panda seem unlikely as a team.

waffles pushes zendel based on grammar, sensai calls it wrong (rightfully) but says he sees ?nothing but town from zendel?. dedenne agrees with sensai about it not being a good reason.

Spoiler: endless makes another weird post

If I wasn't concise on this earlier, I'm make it clear now: I haven't, nor will I, discuss something via pm if it would me of more use as a discussion point in the main thread. I haven't discussed punchy with either dolby or chele, although I did pm chele asking what it was about. (She did not reply)

The reasons I've brought up against punchy are all within the thread. I don't think there's anything damning on him yet, but I do think there's merit to pushing him.

@Punchy What's dolby doing in this game that he wasn't doing in other games? It's all very well to say "x is behaving differently", but I don't really see a difference, so I'd like some clarification.

I'll only start suspecting Dolby if 2 blues die n1. Jokes

Now, with regard to Farobi, his response is kinda bull****.
And when I say that, I don't mean "it doesn't make sense", I mean "he used the wrong words explaining himself in his original post".
If he'd written "I responded to the ones I thought were at all interesting" then he'd have had a perfectly reasonable explanation for why he skipped half the RQS.

Now here's the important thing - I don't think this whole kafuffle has anything to do with Farobi's alignment, and would be better off buried.

Final note: Farobi, as a town player, if you are one, your goal should be to initially trust no-one. PMing people "to trust" is exactly how towns have imploded in previous PM games.

I cannot stress this enough, and this goes to the whole playerbase of this game, do not claim to, hint at your role, or create groups with someone in PM unless you have very good reason to

Asking people sensitive questions like, for example, if you think someone's applying pressure to a player to see how they'll crack, you can message them asking them their reasoning as to not spoil the pressure. That's a very solid use of PMs.
Trust circles on the other hand? That's a super big nono.

endless starts on another tangent and then ends with ?well, it?s not definitive or alignment telling? which is at least the third time he?s done that this game. first with hayden, then with punchy here, and lastly here with farobi.

also, he glances over dolby?s post hinting at his role and then makes a generalized post about not hinting towards your role?.which i mean, is basically general knowledge, but i find it strange he doesn?t apply it by being critical of dolby for mention role flavor. it seems like a there?s a disconnect there. and if endless is mafia, dolby?s town he?s purposefully using in his favor. [pocketing dolby]

oops forgot this game existed, reading up

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Mdude isn't that just a tad hypocritical iirc you were the center of the biggest ****ing trust circle ever in Deadly Sins maf

kat replies to endless here. kat makes a really interesting point. kat is likely not teamed with endless if endless is actually mafia, no scummate would have any reason to point that out early in a game like this. something super duper interesting: endless ignores kat?s comment here all together.

not really liking abe's posts (i have a bad habit of always thinking abe is annoyingly superior tho) i'm sorry but it's all a bit patronising to me. i am not endorsing people creating groups or trusting people without good reason but this is a PM game, and the ones i've played have been won by people aligning and trusting each other, it's why we play them (i think). i'm all for helpful advice but abe comes across as a little bit more sinister, like it's probs in mafias interests to not get us to talk. imo too much talk of not trusting, it's ok to trust just don't go overboard with it (tfw u told karla ur role and he killed u lmao)

i agree with mog?s post here. abe warning people about creating PM circles is pseudo-information, PM?s are an important tool and a lot can be learned from them. it's pretty much common knowledge not to instantly trust/claim/etc to anyone. saying it was unnecessary and lecture-y. mog also points out that endless is being somewhat hypocritical here, similar to kat.
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Spoiler: ness criticizes kat pretty in depth.

It concerns me how easily you're choosing to agree with Dad here.

Wording bothers you...? How? Are you going to ignore everything else Endless said in that post or just focus on that one sentence, because either way that's not a good reason to be suspicious

You're really blowing that out of proportion lol. The post itself is fine, yet once again you're just going to focus on that one detail? He didn't say "oh i'm pointing you out!", it was nothing but a statement to start of his point. I feel like you're trying to make a little detail into a reason to be suspicious of him.

Okay sure, but what prompted you to think that Dolby was scum in your mind in the first place? What reasoning was there?

And just as a side note, I wholeheartedly agree to Endless' analysis of Dad. I find it a bit odd how hastily he voted Dad, but other than that yeah.

mmmmm. i?m not sure about this post. i think it?s overly defensive of endless, critical of both dad/kat [but that's not the part i have problems with]. i would really like to hear ness? read on endless now that he townreads kat.

It does honestly, I could understand a mood change because nobody is really themselves in the morning but logic doesn't disappear from your brain.

zendel being lowkey savage asf, responding to sensai. another interaction where it doesn?t seem like they?re teamed.. but also doesn?t seem like tvt. sensai?s FAR more questionable than zendel overall.

I don't believe you at all, that is such an easy way to dig out of being sussed for town reading Dad for such a crappy post. His ignorance about Abe's case on Farobi is a total flop, a scummy flop. Trying to start something on me when the post isn't even about me is an utter fail and I have no idea why you would town read for that.

Skimming his post when that was probably the most important thing in the post/the centre of the post is interesting.

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Okay so everyone has checked in so far apart from Evan who has probably forgot about the game, funnily enough I forgot he even signed up.

more town!zendel imo. also, the last line bleeds genuine and i don?t think evan/zendel could be mafia together if one of them is.

ok I ****ed up lmao, reading dad's post it was bad. I know it sounds hollow but I don't really have any excuse for it aside from skimming from reading a bunch of pages at once so FOS that all you want for me being alright with Dad's post, it's justified (like even the mog/Ness part like good lord). Also I've really liked Abe's recent content and I dont think the points against him for arrogance is really a good scumtell - he's always arrogant (kek, last time I said I shouldn't call you talented abe you said it wouldn't hurt for me to compliment you ) so that's not really alignment indicative, and then I also liked his replies to my ****. Moving him into town read.

I will say that I know Dad respects Ness's scum play a lot because of Greek Cultists so I'm not entirely surprised about the GF logic there so I dont really sus him for thinking Ness is good, but I do think his logic is flawed in saying that Toads would assume the same.

Still want to read into Zendel/Panda, gonna do that next and also gonna read into Ness since he'd made markedly little impact on my mind. Slight TR on Zendel atm though, something about his interaction with me feels genuine.

kat 180s on dad/endless. which recent content was this referring to about endless? i agree about zendel, though. [kat also makes a post about tring zendel page 36]

Spoiler: i would define this as dolby?s first deliberative push on me/dad/punchy.

Kinda have this paranoid theory that it's Dad/Glow/Punchy. As I mentioned earlier, Dad holding the double standard between Punchy and Mogyay was no bueno. Moreover, his post really didn't make a whole lot in my eyes, including entirely writing off Glow as town. Speaking of Glow, it probably isn't fair to judge her as part of a potential team when her play can be summed up as her not being here. However, Glow has taken the time to make a full 2 (ultimately worthless imo) posts. The fact that Dad writes her off is bad in my eyes, but it also doesn't seem like town Glow. Glow's a better town player than maf player, and this level of activity and less than usefulness (I'd expect her to make at least a comment on player alignments the first time she came back, she did in FNAF when she was gone for the day) is reminding me of OverWatch mafia, where she made only 10 or so posts in the first 4 RL days of the game and 3 reads on people, mainly saying that people were town.

Gonna actually read back on Punchy in the previous games and see if he focused on finding town or maf, but I really don't feel like his Chele read is all that justified

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Actually yeah, he focused on finding maf but has been far more chaotic throughout this game

tbh i?m fine when he susses me for inactivity when he at least admits the faults that exist in his conclusions. [it?s not fair to teamread me with people that i haven?t even spoken with directly]. to me, this is probably the post where i feel like he?s being completely objective with his read on dad & me. at other points in the game it just feels like he?s made his mind up. but here, i think there is a thought-process that i didn?t see very much in other posts.

dolby does sort of misconstrue/misinterpret what dad was saying about me, nowhere did dad call me town by any definition of the word. but also.... i'm starting to notice a pattern where dolby takes everything as either black or white. dolby sees me inactive so he thinks i'm scum gg ez, dolby sees punchy make faux-read jokepost so he thinks scum, dad doesn't explicitly call me mafia so he think's dad's implying i'm town. i mean there is merit to some of that, but i feel like he isn't reading in-between the lines......

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i feel like there's a world where dolby's town, and tbh i would've never thought that if i hadn't gone through the game post by post like this. and in that same world, is where endless sits on The Mafia Throne.

the reason why i didn't make a traditional reads post is because i normally do so by ISOing. but i can only ISO when i actually have read all of the thread, not just skimmed over large chunks of it. 75 pages in d1 is seriously just way too much if i'm not checking the thread throughout the day. i just read 44 pages post by post and it's 5AM and i have not slept lol. making a colored reads list feels wrong & quite frankly i don't like the one below, but i realize that this is a ****ton to read so i'm just doing it for your sanity.

Dad
Farobi

town imo:
Chele
Zendel
Kat
Mogyay
Waffles


No clue lol require ISO but there's scum within:
Hayden
Vanessa
Panda
Evan
Ness
Dedenne

scum:
Endless or Dolby
Sensai

 

[dedenne]

Have mostly skimmed so im sORRY if i've missed important stuff.

My thoughts so far-

I dont know what a godfather is because in the other games ive played i had never seen it. It may have been used in Cleb's game but i gave up on that after I got lynched.

Lynching punchy-yes, maybe he wasnt the easiest person to read, but he still acts like his normal eager self. Also, iirc, Punchy asked about the scum link chat before role PMs were sent out (correct me if im wrong).

WHY SO MANY BLUE CLAIMS????? I don't know what to believe, but if i had to, Dad's would be the most believable. Not sure about Kat's townie claim either...

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For Dedenne when Farobi brought about chick sk thing in his opinion (newbie!Chick pretended dunno what sk means and in the end we realized shes sk) thats where I realized something also Dedenne shud know the GF thing she played for more than 3 games she should know what GF means

I've played 2 and in one i got lynched first day...

 

[unravel]

Clarification I think it was Farobi or Dolby regarding the Zendel grammar thing

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* Answer in bold

Have mostly skimmed so im sORRY if i've missed important stuff.

My thoughts so far-

I dont know what a godfather is because in the other games ive played i had never seen it. It may have been used in Cleb's game but i gave up on that after I got lynched.

It was based on crier's post it maybe
- just flavor text since we can't confirm about night 0
- Crier maybe exist I'm going to bring up Heyden's doused claim if there will be another post from crier and doused then invisible N0 exist

Lynching punchy-yes, maybe he wasnt the easiest person to read, but he still acts like his normal eager self. Also, iirc, Punchy asked about the scum link chat before role PMs were sent out (correct me if im wrong).

FINALLY FINALLY SOMEONE NOTICED IT I even brought it up why is a bit sus but part of me thinks hes a jester trolling the game cuz hes like IM JOKING BOIIIIZ yeah hes a apathy town ayt but im like **** it lets just lynch this ******* prolly hes mafia cuz of pre game post

WHY SO MANY BLUE CLAIMS????? I don't know what to believe, but if i had to, Dad's would be the most believable. Not sure about Kat's townie claim either...

Farobi and dad almost got lynched so they claim I mean its better than shush + lose an important role
I've played 2 and in one i got lynched first day...

I need to get involved I feel so... disconnect from this game

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Dedenne would you have know that GF exist cuz every game theres a godfather in mafia

 

[cornimer]

I guess 'tis the season to make reads lists

PandaDarling - null. She's playing the same as she's played in all the games I played with her so far (where she was town) but I always find her scummy lol.
SensaiGallade - his tone and contributions are similar to other games where he was town, but the reason I gave him a tint of orange is because he seems to be contributing less, which is starting to worry me. His last few posts iirc have just been saying how lost he is (which, understandable, this game is a mess, but still that could just be an excuse to not contribute as scum)
Mogyay - slight townlean. I really liked her contributions at the beginning of the EOD chaos. She put forward original thoughts and is clearly trying to scumhunt, being skeptical of people and asking questions.
Zendel - slight townlean, his behaviour matches what I've seen in past games and he hasn't set off any alarm bells.
Farobi - detective
Ness - I like his contributions and he seems to be acting aggressive which he does more as town I believe
AmazonEvan19 - on the brink of death he claimed townie and I believe him since he literally seemed to think he was dead so had no reason to lie. His reaction seemed very genuine. I didn't really find his behaviour scummy before EOD either, he was missing for a lot of it but once he came back he seemed to be his usual self. His giant post where he was basically just reciting the game was the only thing that seemed like a bit of a ploy but because of the EOD chaos I'll drop that.
Arstotzkan - scumlean but less so than before. All of the reasons I presented before for scumleaning her still stand, HOWEVER her PMing Dad a giant list of thoughts at EOD seems very town. She could've done it in an attempt to try to change his mind about voting her but idk it seems legit, I am conflicted.
Dedenne2 - she's always confused and indecisive as town but she could be faking it. I fully townread her before but last night all of my scumreads claimed blue sooo I need to crack down on my townreads.
ITookYourWaffles - she's playing exactly like her town self IMO, when she was scum in Kingmaker it was very obvious
Endless - he's like the best player on TBT you think I know how to read him?? I mean he's done nothing wrong in my eyes but I don't trust him one bit.
Heyden - yknow how Kat has that sign that says "PUNCHY IS CLEAR?" Well imagine one now that says "HEYDEN IS NOT CLEAR". He could have been doused as either alignment unless there is a mafia arsonist, in which case he is town but we have no way to confirm that. So he should be judged off of content, not the fact that he was doused. And I don't like his content at all with the exception of a couple of statements. It seems wishy-washy and like he's just trying to get things out to stay under the radar.
Dad - jailor
Dolby - he seems to be playing like town Dolby but I never fully trust him
Chele - well I really liked her content before and defended her for it but now....she's dropped off again....
Glow - of all the blue claims, if one is false it's hers. I understand not wanting to say what you are but also....how can I believe you if you just claim "blue". Anyone could just claim "blue". I do like the effort she put into her recent post though.

 

[Farobi]

Arstotzkan - scumlean but less so than before. All of the reasons I presented before for scumleaning her still stand, HOWEVER her PMing Dad a giant list of thoughts at EOD seems very town.

hol up can you quote where she said that she did this? kinda missed that

 

[dedenne]

Dedenne would you have know that GF exist cuz every game theres a godfather in mafia

probably not. at least i know now...

 

[cornimer]

Oh I thought it was supposed to end 40 minutes ago hence the rush to get the info out there. Also yeah if you don't think I'm mafia get your vote off me Farobi.

I'm sticking with my vote to lynch Kat. I don't like how she has just flipped back around on me once again, once everyone accepted my blue claim after I explained it, and continues the behavior she demonstrated when Endless presented a case against me earlier in the day and after some votes piled on her she came out as Shannon, vanilla townie. If I were vanilla townie in her position I wouldn't have done that but given I am actually a blue with a dual PR, I had to claim when votes piled on me if just for the sake of being useful for one night in the least.

Another thing to note is that in the past few minutes Kat has sent me messages with a lot of various information that she has gathered through her PMing, namely that glow didn't buy that she was scum, that she was wrong about the guess at what PR she really was (which I won't fully explain here for glow's sake), that Panda PMd her that she didn't like Kats glow push, and also just stated some general guesses as to what's up with Heydenn and Vanessa which I don't feel the need to explain in detail atm (I'll only PM you further details on this stuff IF I trust you because if Kat gave me this info with good intentions then I need not spill it all.

I told her this in the PM and she should probably expect that Id spill this tea in the thread: the information in these PMs was unsolicited in a time when she faces a lynch alongside me, which given she responded that she fully expects to be lynched, I see as either general honesty to a role she trusts if she flips green or a last minute ploy to get it on somebody else.

@farobi

 

[Arstotzkan]

hol up can you quote where she said that she did this? kinda missed that

can confirm I did this, I never really said in thread but Dad did so. But ye. I didn't want the information I had to die with me and I trusted Dad as town who could use the info well so ye. But lord I think his logic is terrible this game, no offense man.

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@Glow btw in regards to you saying Abe never answered my question about the social circle:

With regard to arsonist, it's just about always a third party role. I have seen a mafia arsonist, but the ratio is something stupid like 20:1. It's within our best interests to assume a third party arsonist.

@Kat I mean I did specifically state "unless there's good reason to do so", and in that case, I had very good reason to believe everyone in the chat was town. (And the best bit is there was even a contingency plan for the only person I didn't have a borderline lock town on, where the main instructions in the group were changed behind the scenes slightly in a way that would screw over that individual if he was a killer)

For reference, I meant Farobi when I said Zem. No idea why I said Zem, but the proceeding evidence demonstrates that it was Farobi I was talking about. Apologies on that part.

With regard to my reluctance to call out Farobi, I hate delving too deeply into the RQS, and if you read the paragraph above it's a pretty stolid representation of why. If you look at the result of that delve, that's another good reason why not. (Although anecdotal)
Like I really hate doing that sort of interrogation but the dude lied so w/e.

That was his answer. I don't fault you for not finding it - reading that many pages at once is ass. But any thoughts on his reply?

 

[toadsworthy]

Tentative schedule will be to close the thread 10pm Christmas Eve (giving 24 hrs after the night actions revealed), then open again 10pm Christmas day (giving 24 hours to get in all votes). If a lot of people disagree with this then let me know.

Sorry if my delay last night was a hindrance to anything... I have very little control over my schedule and will do the best I can on mobile at times. Tonight I SHOULD, should be out in time to make an actual post right at 10/10:30 so get ready.... artwork is looking good lolololol. Thank you for your ongoing patience. I will post my scrap work from sitting down trying to do the vote count post game.

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A second option would be to close tonight after night actions revealed, and not do anything on christmas eve, and reopen 10pm christmas night.

 

[Chele]

Hi guys. First of all, I’d like to say that I’m really sorry for being inactive. This is why I don’t have the invisible option on. Basically, we were meant to stay at somebody’s house for a night, but then an emergency happened and I had to stay an extra night. Thanks so much for your patience, guys. So, I’d like to say that the content in this game is good, I’m happy with my reads so far (yes, I actually made reads). And also, I didn’t read everything. I sorta skimmed through some posts but I read thoroughly through other posts.
Now, to tell the truth guys, I had Punchy as a null at the time. I didn’t actually mean to have my post as to actually side with them. I just agreed with Dolby’s point. I didn’t PM Endless though (I just needed to clarify with Dolby first). For your information, it wasn’t an alignment slip that I had caught. Remember how Dolby mentioned that it was something to prove that Punchy was serious? Yeah, well refer to post #177. Punchy slipped in terms of Dolby saying that his post was serious. Remember how I was saying that Punchy was clearly reacting to a joke post, and how I used the Unicorn example? Well something just popped into my head, and when I flicked to post 177, I found out that he had slipped and admitted that he retracted it and said that Dolby had an OMGUS reaction.

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Clearly I was wrong though. I guess if I never referred to that one post then my read on Punchy would’ve been valid.

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I didn’t actually mean to have my post as to actually side with them (= Endless & Dolby)

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Okay so as I was reading this from the start of the game, I feel like Farobi is very lightly grasping on straws. The way that he points out Zendel?s post being weird because ?his constant corrections is something scum would do when they re-read their post over and over again to ensure it sounding town? makes me think over him. That post just doesn?t sit right with me, that post is lacking evidence.

General indecision mainly (she asked what a godfather is - and took me a couple of tries to get a fine answer) - but looking back that could be noob town as well. This was similar to how Chick, who was a noob back then, played as an SK in the sk mini game mafia a couple months ago. Dedenees act of uncertainty reminds me of that.

Im going to leave this as a side note and future note for reference. I just wanted to point out that I dislike how Farobi is comparing Dedenne to a completely different player ? Chick. He even made more posts about Chick?s playstyle and compares it to Dedenne. This is just like when Bianca compared my posts to Tina?s playstyle in BOTW last game. Yes, I was scum last game, but I feel like comparing somebody?s playstyle to somebody else?s is pretty bad and sloppy reasoning. I know that this was a last-minute lynch train, but even so, looking at someone else?s playstyle is very low and seems pushy.
Now Farobi claimed detective, right? Oh my goodness we?ve had so many blue claims. I bet you that Mafia doesn?t need to talk in scum chat about who they?re gonna kill because we are giving away blues as if we?re giving out free food.

Oh Farobi, seeing as you?re here, I?d like to ask you who else are your current susses other than Dedenne, thank you.

 

[Heyden]

@Endless, the only reason I'm not red is bc I bluefished?? what. Also what 'content' do you not like. tsk tsk every game you've sr me when town you've been mafia

@Vanessa, I get what you mean, I've been cleared pretty easily with nothing so I understand the logic in that, and I actually lowkey feel a bit better with you pointing that out tbh, but I don't understand what's wrong with my content besides wishywashiness unless thats the main thing

 

[Chele]

Speaking of which, Heyden, this was my read on you;
?The first thing that I really wanted to question about Heyden is why he asked the doctor to PM him. Not gonna lie, but that was a fairly scummy move. Who knows, maybe he thought that the doctor was a noob? Because if there was a noob doctor, then the noob would obviously PM him without noticing that they revealed their alignment to him. Maybe he just wanted to cancel out the chances of doctors for Mafia to bluesnipe... hmm, this is interesting to think about. I was also thinking, he could be scum and lying that he got doused... maybe tomorrow one of his scum mates would say that they got doused. And then the day after tomorrow they can say that maybe arsonist got roleblocked? That?s probably very unlikely, just like 5% chance.?
Okay Imma go to sleep and clarify this later