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What is TBT's stance on posts/content written by AI? It makes sense to ban it for events, but what about everyday conversation? I have seen several posts in the Gaming Discussion areas and Brewster's that I immediately flagged as AI (and also were read as AI by AI-detecting software) and it's quite disconcerting.

With AI images, you have the option to give people the benefit of the doubt in not knowing it was AI. But such isn't the case with AI writing (unless it's someone sharing fanfiction they didn't write themselves), as it's a deliberate choice.

I guess this might technically be a better question for the Information Desk, but I'm committed to making an argument against AI posts if I need to lol.
That's a good question and one I don't think we've considered yet. Our discussions on AI have been largely focused on the use of AI art.

AI is banned in our writing contests, but beyond that I honestly can't say. I think it's something we do need to decide on, though.

Thank you for bringing it up!
 
What is TBT's stance on posts/content written by AI? It makes sense to ban it for events, but what about everyday conversation? I have seen several posts in the Gaming Discussion areas and Brewster's that I immediately flagged as AI (and also were read as AI by AI-detecting software) and it's quite disconcerting.

AI is banned in our writing contests, but beyond that I honestly can't say. I think it's something we do need to decide on, though.
I’m very against GenAI like ChatGPT myself, but what would the purpose of such a rule for general posts be? Additionally, how could it even be enforced? “AI detection tools” are notoriously, and arguably intrinsically, unreliable.
I don’t want TBT to be a wasteland of AI slop as much as the next person, but I don’t think this is quite the answer.
 
personally, I'm of the mind to ban it across the board

personal anti-generative ai stance aside, it's also the matter of it effectively cheating tbt gains

Exactly. I don't have the time/skill to do contests. I shouldn't be able to just type a prompt and possibly win..
 
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personally, I'm of the mind to ban it across the board

personal anti-generative ai stance aside, it's also the matter of it effectively cheating tbt gains
I thought of this too after I posted! Historically, the staff have gone through great efforts to prevent exploitation of earning TBT currency. The guy who inputs, "write me 3 reasons why Fire Emblem is awesome", and gets a couple paragraphs with only a few seconds work, has an advantage over everyone else.

I’m very against GenAI like ChatGPT myself, but what would the purpose of such a rule for general posts be? Additionally, how could it even be enforced? “AI detection tools” are notoriously, and arguably intrinsically, unreliable.
I don’t want TBT to be a wasteland of AI slop as much as the next person, but I don’t think this is quite the answer.
NGL, the temptation to do a wee bit of trolling and respond using AI was strong, lol.

Goofiness temporarily aside, the ethical reasons are most important, but you're right that that alone doesn't warrant being banned on a forum. Although, isn't that largely why people were calling for AI art to be banned here, even outside of events? (I agree that it should be, BTW)

I don't wanna go into a whole messy speech about the community's heart being its people, and by rewarding the removal of human elements, the only future is deteriorating into an artificial husk, devoid of true expression and authentic bonds...

... so instead, I'll whine that Mx. ChatGPT user gets more TBT with less effort, and if it doesn't get banned, I'll riot by posting AI slop to fund my collectible habit! :P

For those curious, here is a good introductory video on how to spot AI writing. :) I was able to tell the posts were AI before I even ran them through software. I know what to look for (as a writer, I have a vested interest in keeping up with it), and with a little bit of research, you can, too!

As more people start picking up the signs of AI speech, if AI isn't discouraged or outright banned, members using the forum as intended will become disgruntled. Some may even turn to AI themselves, because why shouldn't they have that advantage, too? I believe it's in TBT's best interests to take a strong stance before it becomes a widespread issue.

I assume you're worried about innocent users' posts being flagged as AI, but I don't think this would happen very often, if at all. Because it's something that requires discretion, I can see staff erring on the side of caution and focusing on repeat offenders, rather than immediately throwing accusations.

Similar to detecting AI art, identifying AI writing is a skill that will evolve as the technology does. There is always something that gives it away. The signs change over the years, as AI developers try to hide old indicators, but inevitably create new ones. IMO, this is now a necessary skill to acquire for anyone using the internet, like learning how to avoid scams.

No one's going to be hunted down for using an em dash, but when you have multiple red flags indicating AI, that warrants taking a look over their post history, and dealing with it however the staff choose to. For starters, if Community Liaisons (or something similar) become a thing, these people could gently communicate to AI users the harm AI does, since their purpose is to help maintain a healthy community.

Yes, some people will still be able to get away with it, but just because there will be exceptions doesn't mean the rule is useless.
 
What is TBT's stance on posts/content written by AI? It makes sense to ban it for events, but what about everyday conversation? I have seen several posts in the Gaming Discussion areas and Brewster's that I immediately flagged as AI (and also were read as AI by AI-detecting software) and it's quite disconcerting.

With AI images, you have the option to give people the benefit of the doubt in not knowing it was AI. But such isn't the case with AI writing (unless it's someone sharing fanfiction they didn't write themselves), as it's a deliberate choice.

I guess this might technically be a better question for the Information Desk, but I'm committed to making an argument against AI posts if I need to lol.

I am not being helpful here, but this question absolutely scares me. AI scares me. I have no idea who I am really talking to now.
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P.S. is there actually a way for the mods to detect AI and ban them? I am getting old for this, and I don't know, but I want to speak up before you think that *I* am AI.

I know I am posting as a human, but how do you know? How will the mods know?
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P.S. is there actually a way for the mods to detect AI and ban them? I am getting old for this, and I don't know, but I want to speak up before you think that *I* am AI.

I know I am posting as a human, but how do you know? How will the mods know?
 
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I am not being helpful here, but this question absolutely scares me. AI scares me. I have no idea who I am really talking to now.
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P.S. is there actually a way for the mods to detect AI and ban them? I am getting old for this, and I don't know, but I want to speak up before you think that *I* am AI.

I know I am posting as a human, but how do you know? How will the mods know?
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P.S. is there actually a way for the mods to detect AI and ban them? I am getting old for this, and I don't know, but I want to speak up before you think that *I* am AI.

I know I am posting as a human, but how do you know? How will the mods know?
Hey, Shawn! I realize AI can be pretty scary, but almost nothing of the forum's content is AI-generated. I just noticed a few posts and was hoping to nip it in the bud before it became an acceptable trend. That's why I asked for clarification here.

You're definitely still talking to a human no matter what, they just might have used software to enhance their writing. No one is going to think you're AI.

Like I said in my post, there are a few ways you can tell if someone used AI to help them write, so it might help you feel more secure to watch the video I linked.
 
Thank you @Aerith, I guess with the introduction of AI, I am afraid. I was already afraid of people in general possibly being fake (personality, not AI). I have been hurt in real life, and getting DM's from people I have never talked to before, who are being caring and checking in.. and I truly believe they care, but they only check in when I say something controversial or upsetting. I want to trust them, but can I really? Are they truly friends who care? Or just management pretending to care? I can't tell.

AI just makes it even more difficult to figure who's real... this is all becoming a **** show. I feel like I need to go off grid and be some kind of survivalist...

But I just want to believe everyone I talk to is real. But... I have a hard time figuring who is genuine or just doing a job, or saying the right things thanks to AI chat.

Sorry for the rant... things are confusing.
 
I have taken the time to read the whole thread, to fully understand the sudden change of tone, and how silent the fourm has been for a while.
I, myself only focus on the animal crossing journal and brewsters cafe area usually, but I didn't want to avoid the several problems that have been building up. I also wanted to add my thoughts because I truly care about this site, and want things to improve for everyone to feel safe, and to be comfortable to be themselves here.

Not only do I want to express my opinions about everything that has happened, but also to add some possible changes, or solutions that might help. I'm going to make this into a sort of list, with the main important at the top - not to say everything I wanna give my thoughts on are not important, but to put the ones at the top that should be the focus for the staff to work on, and explain how they plan to work on these problems.

~Highest Priorty~​

Before anything, the staff need to make a stance on the maximum age you need to be on this forum. I am not saying it should be changed, as I think being aged 13 and over is sensible to an Animal Crossing fourm; as Animal Crossing is a game rated E for Everyone.
Although saying there are more adults on the site than there are kids felt more like an excuse. Because even if there are more adults, I am sure it's understandable that certain sexual materials should not be talked about.
It's like saying being on a Pokemon forum, being okay with 18+ messages, because there are more adult users than kids; but that doesn't mean kids can't find sites that explore games and are targeted towards kids. Causing then those kids to experience things they shouldn't at that age.

And let's not forget that not only do people lie about their age, yet this site is public to people who are not signed up, we get so many guests - and we do not know how many of these people are kids.

There are actually animal crossing groups on facebook that are either just for kids, or some groups are for 18+, but I can't expect that discussing 18+ content even connected to animal crossing would be allowed.

Just because there are some threads on here that are solely not connected to animal crossing, doesn't mean the age limit on those threads should be different.
I am an adult, and if I was on a gaming forum for just 18+, I would still be uncomfortable with what was said, not just for me, but for many others.
Having kids or young teens see and belive it's in the norm to be okay to talk about stuff like here or anywhere else. Only getting a response years later about how it was bad - despite at the time members believed it was in the wrong - doesn't help the kids back then because they have been believing it's how to act, and will take time to mentally change those believes.
I hope this makes sense, just trying to point out some young children grow up around and think it's okay to talk like that, and takes time to delearn that side of it.

I also do believe the internet has changed over the years, and have made it hard for young audiences to find safe spaces, and we as adults in a community with kids aged 13 and older, should try and keep the space safe for them to experience a forum dedicated to the animal crossing frandise.

I believe Rules should be looked over, and changed to better fully grasp things like Banning, reporting and warnings.
A little tiny thing I wanted to add is that in the rules, when it comes to animal crossing online, it still mentions respecting other towns, which definitely makes it feel old, should've been changed to islands, right?

Anyways, when it comes to reporting, should there be another bulletpoint on weather you are reporting staff when they themselves break a rule? It mainly focuses on reporting another user, but some may not feel like user - member would be the same as a staff member.

I also thought it might be beneficial to sort of understand how a report or CTS is recieved on your end? Is it just one person or do all the staff get the report message?
Maybe this has been explained, but it can help understand when reports or CTS will be dicussed and have a timeframe on when a reply should be given to the member in question. And how you may organise the reports, like having a table of what CTS and reports come in, and see how many overlap when some have the same idea or problems?

I have never really had to report or go to the CTS for any issues, but it definitely shows in this thread, a lot of people who have and not gotten a sensible response and/or in due time.
We all understand staff are volunteers, everyone has their own lifes, jobs and things to deal with. But staff have become staff to make the site better, and still need to be held accountable on their actions or lack of.

Having to deal with a late response when asked several times, and then 'smaller' issues being answered before anything else will get more people fustrated.

So, I do have an idea that could help support both staff and members, and I believe it was once mentioned a while back in this thread, but been forgotten slightly.
I believe having 'sub' mods to help with the actual mods when they are less active or too busy, can help get reports, CTS seen and dealt with a lot faster and more efficient. There are many people who want to help, and if given a bit of training, could assist the team when needed. If there's anything reported that does need the actual mods attention, it could be explained to the member an estimated time frame for when the mods/staff can sit down and go through the problems.

This can also benefit via timezones, as most staff are in specific timezones, and the response takes longer to get to because of that. If we have 'sub' mods in different timezones, and had reasonable enough time to handle such reports, CTS then things will get through a bit quicker.
Is it at all possible, as stated above give the member an estimated time frame of when the staff are available; not to give us too much info on your life, and definitely since the time you do amount for the site changes gradually, but just a sensible estimate of when you are free to look at the site, but also that time frame doesn't mean you will get answer instantly in that time frame; as anything could happen to change that. I hope that made sense?

When someone does get a response back for their issue; I believe there should be a small survey underneath the answer; asking the member weather the response was helpful/proactive or not, and in return explain the reasons why you think the answer was or wasn't good. And what you want to see explained further; allowing you to avoid having to rereport or reask the CTS and have to wait and for it to spiral.
This would deem helpful, because you can explain to the staff how well it succedded your expectations, and maybe the way they helped you can be used elsewhere - but also noting not all answers will answered the same way - and to critic the bad answers so they know what needs to be changed in the future.

I think this part is just gonna highlight how I'm sure people who have been dealing with homophobia and transphobia, and not feeling like they're being heard when trying to report it.
I also wanted to say, that there are a lot of people who are not feeling safe in real life, due to where they live and sudden changes that make them feel unseen and not acknowledged and it hurts to know a forum they once trusted and can be themselves is sadly not feeling like that for a lot of people.

And I loved seeing that side of our members to be themselves, and get to know some through team games and everything.
I'm sorry this part is really short, but there were loads of great posts that expressed it a lot better than I can right now.

I visited this thread a while back, when it was fairly now. And was reading the posts around the time Seliph was trying to get word of the situation when it came to the Valentine event - will mention more of that and events in a below spoiler - but I do agree this ban should be reconsidered.

It's why I think trying to further explain the warnings and bans in the rules will be more effective. Because with the posts and info we do have, it did not feel like a year ban was necessary; and harsh feedback is usually needed to be heard, since how long it took for a proper response to the art situation. When I say harsh, I meant toned harsh, not harsh words.
I was actually surprised that the art in question was posted fairly early but it was confusion to understand what was actually wrong, as it seemed two completely reasons were given in seperate posts to the artist, and was pretty much forgotten despite ebing brought up other times by Seliph and not just them either.

This was slightly brought up a while ago in the thread, but I merely want to suggest something that might help people who are dealing with these thoughts.

I was thinking of having somewhere where we as a community can share charities, organisations and online helplines that support for self-harm, victims of abuse and SA without projecting to members and that they have somewhere that has access to information neceassry to help them.
Of course, making sure you specify if these helplines are only based in one area or local, or worldwide.

Not necessary a thread, but I was thinking, another 'tab' on the brown bar that has 'Forums/AC World/Rule/What's New/etc, there;s enough room for an extra tab that can have these helplines/organisations. If that possible? The reason I thought it might be better to have it still on the site, and not just links to these organisations, as it might help victims who are being monitored and checked what they go on by their abuser, or don't feel safe to check the sites out while at home.


~Medium Priorty~​


Been mentioned before by members and staff alike already, but did wanna say if it's at all helpful, I did find this website that has some dark theme, unsure if this to help individuals to have access to dark theme or for websites, but better than nothing~
I am unsure if it depends what computer, windows chrome you have to access certain dark modes.

Dark Modes/themes - link here~

When it comes to the ignoring / blocking, I believed after reading many posts, that it felt like ignoring was the last straw for someone who has been dealing with someone they aren't comfortable with, or someone who has been bullying and harassing them; and they tried to report the person, but as said replies to reports have been slow, so their next thing is wanting the abuser to not be able to communicate with them anymore.

I agree that people who are ignored shouldn't be able to PM or look at the profile of who made the choice to ignore them. It just allows them to be more of a target, while still PM'ing them about being put on the ignore.
I am unsure how ignoring someone works, but I feel like there should be a drop down box option of why you want to ignore them; and if the staff can see who is being ignored and that the person keeps getting ignored by more than one person, about the same reason; bullying for example; the staff should then step in because by then the bully is just then going to go onto the next victim while still being able to control the situation with the last victim.

Step in and check to see if maybe the ignore is being used for a reason that there is a bully and that bully needs to be banned, or within warnings, OR see if people are using it to ignoring one person and the ignore is being misused to bully one person.

~Lower Priorty~​

I love the events on here, definitely the art activites.
As someone who has many hobbies and love trying out new artistic activities, despite that I have always found it hard to produce my own creativity in my own space; totally something I am working on. But when it comes to these events, it has always helped me push myself to organise my time better to take part in these activities.

And despite enjoying the art activties (there are too many sometimes), I did used to feel down when my art wasn't acknowledged or chosen. Used to feel it wasn't good enough.
I myself am happy to say, I don't feel like that anymore, I'm not even that interested in getting the collectibles; I just wanna be there to create something!

It did feel kinda competitive, and I feel like if we have more options such as funny, creative etc like it was said before; because I kid you not I remember having two ideas for the creative event, one maybe being animal crossing funny, but decided against using that idea because I felt my other idea would bring more attraction. So some slight consideration. And maybe only choosing one so people dont think they should do all and miss out on points?

Another thing I wanna mention is how it was said that 'effort' would be changed to 'detailed,' and I am hoping when it comes to putting that into the sentence to the creative events to be careful how it is worded.
For instance, I feel like detailed could be meaning to colour in your art or using shading or something like that; but i know some art can still be detailed without using colours, or anything like that. Detailed could also mean how many item are in the images you create etc.

Also I believe when someone posts for the event, and it's not as 'detailed' as staff believe, to PM and not put it in the thread where the work goes into?

I honestly don't have many ideas for minigames, but I did want to mention them.

Someone already mentioned a sorta wack a mole game (I thought adding Tom Nook or Lyle a characters), but I do remember that fast point click was mentioned as not a possibly

Another idea was like either a villager snap or villager rock, paper & scissors?
I dunno if anyone noticed, but on the villager amiibo cards, each villager has a random paper/rock/scissor icon on the top of the card, and a sort of like card/top trumps game idea came to mine or just playing a quick rock paper scissors with villager cards would look fun!

I also second more logical games we had before

I also think doing more lego activities would be fun, either your own lego or that online one people used in the last activity lego was used.

Thank you for reading~
I know some things were said many times, but I am happier to explained some of my thoughts, and ideas that could be hopefully helpful to TBT.
I had planned to mention this site to animal crossing groups I knew, but will await until more changes are made. :)
 
I thought of this too after I posted! Historically, the staff have gone through great efforts to prevent exploitation of earning TBT currency. The guy who inputs, "write me 3 reasons why Fire Emblem is awesome", and gets a couple paragraphs with only a few seconds work, has an advantage over everyone else.

Maybe I should include a disclaimer in my signature: "THIS SLOP IS PURE HUMAN, NOT AI".
 
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