The Official Feedback Thread

[-Apples-]

Comparing events that are 8 years apart isn't really fair to me; the staff team was entirely different, and perspectives change over time. No one should be able to say they're exactly the same as they were 8 years ago - that shows a lack of growth, reflection, and development. Site rules & regulations should reflect personal growth as well.

Personally while I think bribing for votes sucks (assuming that's what you mean with the 2017 situation) I don't think it calls for a 16 month ban from events, that's just unreasonably harsh.

Actually that was 6 years apart, but it was 8 years ago from today. And yes, it was another bribery incident, but that time, it was only one user rather than multiple users.

I agree that was rather harsh to ban cheaters from every event for an extended period of time, unless if it was rather an extreme case. But that still adds another point of inconsistency. Were they rather too light on the users who tampered with the votes during the Christmas event, or were they too harsh to the one who did the same during the 2017 TBT Fair?

 

[seliph]

Actually that was 6 years apart, but it was 8 years ago from today. And yes, it was another bribery incident, but that time, it was only one user rather than multiple users.

I agree that was rather harsh to ban cheaters from every event for an extended period of time, unless if it was rather an extreme case. But that still adds another point of inconsistency. Were they rather too light on the users who tampered with the votes during the Christmas event, or were they too harsh to the one who did the same during the 2017 TBT Fair?

Yeah for some reason I was thinking 2025, I'm exhausted. I'll edit my post but my opinion is still the same. I still don't think it falls under "inconsistency" if there's a 6-year gap with practically a whole new team.

I can hardly remember 2017 TBT but if all that happened was bribing for votes then yeah, 16 months is way too harsh. I think what should have happened with 2023 Christmas was everyone involved should have just been ineligible to win any contests so it wouldn't entirely be pinned on one person. A lot of us have expressed how this was handled wrongly and left many of us with strong feelings several times now so I'm not sure why it had to be brought up again for an unfair comparison.

 

[seliph]

A thought I had just now:

I know there's a few users (myself included) who are already critical of the TBT World Championship event due to the cost of games, and I'm really hoping there's not going to be Switch 2 exclusive titles in the future because the console itself + one game is nearly a full biweekly paycheck for a fulltime minimum wage job here

 

[-Apples-]

A thought I had just now:

I know there's a few users (myself included) who are already critical of the TBT World Championship event due to the cost of games, and I'm really hoping there's not going to be Switch 2 exclusive titles in the future because the console itself + one game is nearly a full biweekly paycheck for a fulltime minimum wage job here

If I can remember clearly, they didn’t have too many activities that required the Nintendo Switch back in 2017 and 2018. We were still on the 3DS since ACNH has yet to come out (or even be announced). I doubt Switch 2 requirements will happen until the next Animal Crossing game comes out.

 

[Croconaw]

A thought I had just now:

I know there's a few users (myself included) who are already critical of the TBT World Championship event due to the cost of games, and I'm really hoping there's not going to be Switch 2 exclusive titles in the future because the console itself + one game is nearly a full biweekly paycheck for a fulltime minimum wage job here

I was told that Mario Kart World wouldn’t be part of that event for at least a year by a staff. I’m assuming that means for all Switch 2 games.

 

[-Blue-]

Yeah for some reason I was thinking 2025, I'm exhausted. I'll edit my post but my opinion is still the same. I still don't think it falls under "inconsistency" if there's a 6-year gap with practically a whole new team.

I can hardly remember 2017 TBT but if all that happened was bribing for votes then yeah, 16 months is way too harsh. I think what should have happened with 2023 Christmas was everyone involved should have just been ineligible to win any contests so it wouldn't entirely be pinned on one person. A lot of us have expressed how this was handled wrongly and left many of us with strong feelings several times now so I'm not sure why it had to be brought up again for an unfair comparison.

Heck I can barely remember 2017 let alone an event. I never participated in that one anyway, just saying lol. Especially anything before 2020 with so much that changed.

I agree with the gaming event, but they only hold those every 3 years right? And the most recent one was last year. So it wouldn't be until 2027? Not that I'm implying we all have enough time to afford it. Gaming prices are getting ridiculous. Just that this event won't happen for a while. At least, I think so.

 

[LambdaDelta]

A thought I had just now:

I know there's a few users (myself included) who are already critical of the TBT World Championship event due to the cost of games, and I'm really hoping there's not going to be Switch 2 exclusive titles in the future because the console itself + one game is nearly a full biweekly paycheck for a fulltime minimum wage job here

tbh, since the one game currently is mario kart world, I think the best way to do this if any staff get the switch 2 and this game and want to set up online for, is to just have it count as an umbrella "mario kart" session. where event currency could be earned for one or the other for an earnings period, but not both.

so like if you could earn for up to 3 mario kart sessions a week, you could do 2 mk8d and 1 mkw, or 3 mkw, or 3 mk8d, but not 3mk8d and 3mk3


ofc, this all assumes we get an event in the near future that does this. I get the feeling biggest thing for now would maybe be some neighborly games sessions, and hopefully they still do mk8d ones alongside it, if so

 

[a potato]

tbh, since the one game currently is mario kart world, I think the best way to do this if any staff get the switch 2 and this game and want to set up online for, is to just have it count as an umbrella "mario kart" session. where event currency could be earned for one or the other for an earnings period, but not both.

I like the idea of having both games as an option, provided the rewards were the same. Maybe a few people traded in or just never bought MK8, so expanding it would be nice.

 

[LambdaDelta]

I like the idea of having both games as an option, provided the rewards were the same. Maybe a few people traded in or just never bought MK8, so expanding it would be nice.

oh yeah, exact same rewards and can't double up on rewards if you own both (ofc, you could still participate for fun in the other if there's room, but that's it)

 

[rosetti]

Mairmalade's post on Monday gave a small preview of a few other topics we have been considering, but we'll be addressing each item in the list I included in the second post of this thread. Ideally, in the future, we'll be more able to reply directly to feedback left in this thread as it comes in, but to start, our primary focus will be this list we compiled from the original feedback thread. One last thing I would like to touch on that relates to this topic: based on a few examples from recent years, we have noticed that it has been difficult for staff to respond to issues quickly while events are taking place due to the commitment required. This is something we are looking to improve (and this feedback thread will help).

Hi - I was just wondering if staff are still planning to share an update on this? I understand it takes a lot of time and attention, we may not hear anything for a few more weeks but it would be reassuring and appreciated to know if there's an expected timeline/ any updates at all! Thank you for understanding.

 

[ShawnFuzz]

Have you ever considered having some kind of event for mental awareness or suicide prevention? I know suicide is a dark topic, but it, and mental health, is near and dear to me...

Knowing how great the staff is here, you have probably already had a support event for this, so my apologies for bringing up old ideas if that's the case.

I get that a happy forum may not want to go down that route, but I feel like it is important. I would have benefitted from feeling supported when I was young.

 

[Mistreil]

Hi - I was just wondering if staff are still planning to share an update on this? I understand it takes a lot of time and attention, we may not hear anything for a few more weeks but it would be reassuring and appreciated to know if there's an expected timeline/ any updates at all! Thank you for understanding.

Chiming in since no one else has had a chance to respond yet -- yes! We are still working on replies (and many of them have notes/drafts in various states), but we just haven't had a chance to formalize or review things.

I can't provide estimates for each topic, but at the very least: I'm helping with the one about "AI images on TBT" and am hoping to have something posted by the end of June (since I'll be away soon, until the first half of June ).

 

[-Apples-]

Chiming in since no one else has had a chance to respond yet -- yes! We are still working on replies (and many of them have notes/drafts in various states), but we just haven't had a chance to formalize or review things.

I can't provide estimates for each topic, but at the very least: I'm helping with the one about "AI images on TBT" and am hoping to have something posted by the end of June (since I'll be away soon, until the first half of June ).

If you guys have an anti-AI stance, Skynet won’t be happy to hear about that.

 

[Savont 2.0]

I have very little idea of what incident happened last month (I was away on a trip and couldn't participate). I've read both sides and I understand and respect the sentiments. but I agree that there is no need to be so harsh.

what happened?

 

[rosetti]

Chiming in since no one else has had a chance to respond yet -- yes! We are still working on replies (and many of them have notes/drafts in various states), but we just haven't had a chance to formalize or review things.

I can't provide estimates for each topic, but at the very least: I'm helping with the one about "AI images on TBT" and am hoping to have something posted by the end of June (since I'll be away soon, until the first half of June ).

thank you for responding ! it’s really appreciated that you’ve taken the time to just let us know

a big reason I was asking is due to how itll inform my own feedback. I was absent in this thread (and the other) at the time things were being discussed and feedback moving quickly. I have A LOT to say on multiple topics, and quietly followed everything as closely as I could but held off on chiming in as I was waiting to see staff’s ‘larger’ response to all topics.. I was hoping it would resolve some issues that were already raised, without my feedback sounding like a broken record. However, I wasn’t expecting that to be so prolonged (compared to some much quicker responses from staff, at the time, which informed my assumption that we may have gotten updates sooner). Months have passed since the initial ‘start’ of all this which is why I thought I’d ask now, in order to help inform how/if/when I’ll share my feedback ! thank you again Mistreil

 

[mogyay]

i could probably write a 10 page essay on some recent happenings that i know you'd prefer to keep under wraps but i won't because it will just fall on deaf ears and i cba putting any kind of mental energy into this

so let's just start with some basics: i can't believe in the 20+ years this website has been running you haven't got some kind of process for bans or warnings, it's completely unacceptable to ban someone for a week and then suddenly decide that should be a year (or indefinitely) without giving them so much as a chance to respond, there's known abusers on this website that have been given more grace than you have given to other members just for having a hard stance on social issues

i know this will just be responded to that it's a "case by case" basis but that's not good enough when one case is a light tap on the wrist for harassing women while someone else is given (let's be honest because i'm sure that's what you will turn it into) an infinite ban for taking a tone you don't like or that people find "uncomfortable", why are we turning this website into somewhere where a strong social view should be silenced - we already see this a lot in the real world and now i get to log on to tbt to find it too, if people find that uncomfortable that is on them and them alone, i find others uncomfortable with their views and comments and i don't ask for them to be banned. in future please add in the rules that you may face a ban of up to a year+ for strong opinions that may go against staff

you say that there are members being driven off the site by other people but i (and many, many more who i have talked to personally) do not feel welcome now, do not feel heard and are now taking a long hard think about if this is a place where i want to stay. i hope you know i don't take that lightly considering i have been here 10+ years and (without sounding too cheesy) this website truly changed my life for the better, and yet i want to leave this "safe haven" because it's no longer safe for me because of the atmosphere you created

i know you'll probably call me a follower amongst you for this post but i just see it as standing up for someone i saw as a positive influence on tbt, since apparently there was so many who said they were the opposite of that it seems only fair

 

[xSuperMario64x]

@mogyay I think there's been a lot of negativity regarding the issue you mentioned, and a lot—I mean a lot—of people were made to feel uncomfortable and unwelcome. I even took a short hiatus (which I'm still not sure if I'm ready to come out of) because of it. it wasn't all bad, of course not. but when that many people are made to feel uncomfortable and stressed, including the staff, then some kind of action needs to be taken. this forum should be open and welcoming to all members, not just the ones who saw said member as a positive influence.

I'm sorry you feel that way though, I understand where you're coming from.

and I'm not trying to attack you or anyone else, please don't think that. I'm just giving you my perspective on the issue, being someone who has been affected by what happened and has talked to multiple people about it, all with the same feeling.


anyway, I may keep an eye on this thread, but I will not respond here anymore, at least for the time being. I think some issues are too private to be posted on a public forum thread. and I apologize staff if this kind of post isn't allowed.

 

[mogyay]

@mogyay I think there's been a lot of negativity regarding the issue you mentioned, and a lot—I mean a lot—of people were made to feel uncomfortable and unwelcome. I even took a short hiatus (which I'm still not sure if I'm ready to come out of) because of it. it wasn't all bad, of course not. but when that many people are made to feel uncomfortable and stressed, including the staff, then some kind of action needs to be taken. this forum should be open and welcoming to all members, not just the ones who saw said member as a positive influence.

I'm sorry you feel that way though, I understand where you're coming from.

and I'm not trying to attack you or anyone else, please don't think that. I'm just giving you my perspective on the issue, being someone who has been affected by what happened and has talked to multiple people about it, all with the same feeling.


anyway, I may keep an eye on this thread, but I will not respond here anymore, at least for the time being. I think some issues are too private to be posted on a public forum thread. and I apologize staff if this kind of post isn't allowed.

and as many people who felt uncomfortable with what happened there were just as many who felt reassured by the fact someone was in their corner - i have also talked to multiple people about it and i'm not the only one who is considering leaving for good. i'm sorry but this is a forum, open discussion is the whole point, there's obviously a line between open discussion and rudeness but i personally didn't feel that was crossed, you may feel differently

also i'm being vague to avoid breaking rules, there's a lot i can't say which is in the staff's favour

 

[Mick]

We don't normally provide public statements about people who have been banned, and have usually removed posts that brought attention to others' bans for the sake of their privacy. This post is a brief exception.

Still, I am not here to talk down on the person in question by sharing anything negative, and will only state that none of this is 'for having a hard stance on social issues' at all. Saying that we banned someone for passionately caring about others is false, nor was it for having strong opinions, as those opinions broadly even align with our own. I know that would just be my word against theirs, but these are hurtful accusations that I would not like to leave unaddressed.

As for our process, we do indeed tend to be lenient and provide multiple chances. The fact that this member was around for so many years is a direct result of that, as problems and disagreements were discussed with them many times before. They were given every chance to respond in those situations, meaning pretty much everything that could have been talked out already has been.

It is very rare for us to provide bans to long-time members, but the possibility of one was also already brought up to them a few times. At this point, we saw a ban outweighing the amount of respect and connections they had gathered in the community. We can't expect the friends they made here not to be upset at us, so it was not a light decision either. We practically considered it a last resort on our end.

Further discussion of this situation seems futile enough that future posts about it may simply be removed. My sincere apologies for this, but there is honestly not a lot that can be said on their behalf that they have not already voiced or have been able to voice themselves in the past.

As per regular procedure, any of their further questions can be aimed at TBT's contact email. If the member in question would like these remaining public posts removed, also contact us there and we will gladly take that action.

 

[Crash]

so what about the people who aren't friends with this person and are still outraged by it? that matter to y'all, or no? is anyone who disagrees with another person here in a way that isn't sugarcoated uwuwuwuwu bull**** at risk of being banned too?

the addition of "we're gonna remove all posts discussing this further" is REALLY something, and for that reason i am done with tbt. in nine years i've watched other members sexually harass women, be inappropriate with minors, scam dozens of people and make an absolute fortune in tbt from it, spread bigotry, or just be outright cruel, and yet i can't recall a single one of these people getting perma-banned. in fact, i seem to remember some of those people being protected by staff to some degree! i've seen posts as recent as a few months ago in which homophobia was blatantly defended, but was anything done about those? nope! not a damn thing, even after several LGBTQ+ users spoke up!

y'all do nothing for the actual problems occurring here, but act like martyrs for banning a member because they don't speak the way you want them to. you and i both know this forum has lost many longtime members because of staff behavior, but yeah, let's indirectly put that blame on one specific member instead. we're not talking about someone who made personal attacks or preached hate - they just weren't as polite as YOU deemed necessary. enjoy your kingdom of sycophants lmao. this is not the same forum i joined in 2015 and that's a damn shame.