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[Dolby]

Can you for one game not post like you are 100% certain about everything like this... it's just annoying

That's my trick to being townread early as both alignments and I'm sticking with it.

 

[amazonevan19]

Also I'm trying to catch up on posts; why are we so sure of seroja being scum now that ayaya flips scum? I have seen a couple posts saying seroja is scum either way ayaya flips and I smell a rat.

 

[Arstotzkan]

@Evan If I'm maf, how would I know Dolby's flavor name?

 

[Dolby]

Also I'm trying to catch up on posts; why are we so sure of seroja being scum now that ayaya flips scum? I have seen a couple posts saying seroja is scum either way ayaya flips and I smell a rat.

Seroja wouldn't be scum either way if Ayaya flipped either alignment. Ignoring Ayaya and Ayaya flipping town would actually have indicated that Seroja was town. But Ayaya wasn't mentioned by Seroja in that one post (and they kinda threw shade on Cleb as well in that, so you can't say she ignored the interaction in general)

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Didn't write that well, Seroja ignored Ayaya because she didn't want to sus or tr a sussed teammate is how scum Seroja acted then. I don't know what was going threw town Seroja's mind throwing shade on Cleb but ignoring Ayaya there

 

[Ayaya]

 

[Kirbystarship]

But if Seroja is scum either way then wouldnt she have a higher chance of flipping scum than Ayaya? ����������

yes she would. I just wanted to know if Ayaya and Seroja were both on the scum team.

 

[Dolby]

yes she would. I just wanted to know if Ayaya and Seroja were both on the scum team.

If you thought that Seroja had a higher chance of being scum why didn't you switch to her?

 

[Kirbystarship]

If you thought that Seroja had a higher chance of being scum why didn't you switch to her?

I wanted to see her post more before voting for her.

 

[Seroja]

To be clear, while I'm righting this, currently I'm thinking that scum is Ayaya, Mog, and Ness. This is day one, so these reads are kinda crap, so let's get down to it


This is a perfectly fine RQS post, however there are three things that stand out to me
1. First of all, we're roughly 200 posts in, and Mog failed to interact with or comment on the two spats which were going on (Ness/Kat and Cleb/Ayaya (though this one had just started)). Moreover, once one looks at number 5, we see the exact same thing that's wrong with Ayaya's RQS, this isn't random. Kat and Cleb are two of the more experienced players, and by this point I had a few townleans on me.
2. She also fails to elaborate on her RQS scumreads like in the last game that she was town (at that point, there had been slightly more discussion tbf, and Mog did go inactive, so this may be tempering my views)


3. The answers to 2 and 3 seem like she's trying to copy what she said last time that she was town


Now, I am aware that it's pretty unfair to hold Seroja up to the standard of Mog, especially when Mog was highly preoccupied before replacement, but her first post into the game doesn't hold up to scrutiny


1. Quite a few people had townleaned Karen, I had here locked at this point
2. One and two on her list is fine, however
3. No reasoning, moreover, in the case of Ness she delibrately seems to choose him for looking weaker imo and in the case of Cleb, this leads to what Evan said on the absence of Ayaya in Seroja's post, she's possibly trying to not have to address a scummate by avoiding the issue and pushing the sus onto Cleb
4. This is the big one, first half of four has no logic, but w/e, many on TBT would make the same assumption, but from my pov (knowing I'm town), Kat is literally confirmed and there's no two ways going about it. There is no "becomeing more sus later" on this end on it

I'm currently using Ayaya as scum in Cleb v Ayaya as a sort of pivot read, as a sidenote

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Moreover, I'm feeling better about Ness for the sole reason that his reads are matching how I'm thinking rn

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Kirby, you're lurking, what do you think?

Seroja wouldn't be scum either way if Ayaya flipped either alignment. Ignoring Ayaya and Ayaya flipping town would actually have indicated that Seroja was town. But Ayaya wasn't mentioned by Seroja in that one post (and they kinda threw shade on Cleb as well in that, so you can't say she ignored the interaction in general)

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Didn't write that well, Seroja ignored Ayaya because she didn't want to sus or tr a sussed teammate is how scum Seroja acted then. I don't know what was going threw town Seroja's mind throwing shade on Cleb but ignoring Ayaya there

omg dolby stop pls I wasn't throwing shade! I legit wasn't feeling comfy at that point of time! consider my position as someone who just freaking replaced in, and only read the thread once up to that point. At the time, everything to be said about aya was already addressed by a lot of people in thread, and also at the time I have no opinion whatsoever on Ayaya. She could be scummy whatever but I wasn't comfy with Cleb and Ness at the time (emphasis on AT THE TIME). ok, those were what I felt at that moment so I said it. It's really not that deep.

 

[Dolby]

Hi guys I just woke up and then there's this mess! First of all good job lynching scum, second of all why me? I'm in the car to work but I'll dispute yout cases against me.

Just one thing I'd like to point out, I posted once not long after I replaced in. Do you think it's fair to put such heavy emphasis on it? I just literally caught up to the thread when I posted that and it was at 1am!! Dolby your case against me is alot of u putting words in my mouth AND assuming what I meant. Also Ness strongly scum reading me based on one freaking post?? And you're also assuming things! Wait till I'm actually online before asking someone to shoot me Dolby ffs!!

I didn't address a lot of things so what if I didn't address aya? There was nothing more to be said that haven't been said about her at that point. Whatever I said were my thoughts processes hurrrrr I was gonna go to bed. Y'all are so hasty.

Funny you say that (in bold) because I said that once I posted my case on you. I never put words in you mouth, nor did Ness. Moreover, I see not reason why Cleb should have been given more weight than Ayaya at that time

 

[Seroja]

ops I was adding quotes to reply too but I forgot when I replied to dolby. lol. ignore the first quote.

 

[Dolby]

omg dolby stop pls I wasn't throwing shade! I legit wasn't feeling comfy at that point of time! consider my position as someone who just freaking replaced in, and only read the thread once up to that point. At the time, everything to be said about aya was already addressed by a lot of people in thread, and also at the time I have no opinion whatsoever on Ayaya. She could be scummy whatever but I wasn't comfy with Cleb and Ness at the time (emphasis on AT THE TIME). ok, those were what I felt at that moment so I said it. It's really not that deep.

1. Ok, I can buy that on the Cleb shade thing, was kinda just my way to state that Cleb should not have been given more weight than Ayaya, but...
2. Did you have nothing on Ayaya? Even given her spat with Cleb at the time?

 

[amazonevan19]

@Kat the only way would be if you/dolby were a team. Which is almost an impossibility at this point. I maintain that you're acting rather erratically, and that we need to make sure you're not going to pull any funny business on us. But now that you say that, I realize how improbable the theory is. Your story is probably true, but anyone who's read my previous games knows I distrust neutrals as a general rule of thumb. So there's no real contradiction there. I have never wavered in my townread on Dolby, and I have maintained that your story is believable but you need to be watched. f11 and I have voiced some paranoid theories about if you were maf, but that's all they were - probable theories, stated to generate discussion.

 

[Seroja]

Funny you say that (in bold) because I said that once I posted my case on you. I never put words in you mouth, nor did Ness. Moreover, I see not reason why Cleb should have been given more weight than Ayaya at that time

ok now allow me to calm myself down and address every issue one by one. for now all I ask is that you don't assume that 'TOWN SEROJA' or whatsoever would do this or that because you don't know that. Ok so maybe you see no reason, but my feelings were different? How was I supposed to know that Aya is actually scum? Again, what I posted was what I was feeling at the time omg.

 

[amazonevan19]

ok now allow me to calm myself down and address every issue one by one. for now all I ask is that you don't assume that 'TOWN SEROJA' or whatsoever would do this or that because you don't know that. Ok so maybe you see no reason, but my feelings were different? How was I supposed to know that Aya is actually scum? Again, what I posted was what I was feeling at the time omg.

That's literally what we're supposed to do in mafia. We don't have any way of knowing who is who directly; hence why we need to do a little thing called "reading." I honestly don't know what you're trying to get at, except you seem ultra scummy since you're freaking out hardcore when all it would take is a simple explanation of why you were suspect of cleb instead of ayaya, who just flipped scum.

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may I note that I asked ayaya to simply explain her motivations and she turned out scum

now I'm asking seroja to do so as well

see where I'm going with this

best meta scumread ever guis

/kappa

 

[Seroja]

1. Ok, I can buy that on the Cleb shade thing, was kinda just my way to state that Cleb should not have been given more weight than Ayaya, but...
2. Did you have nothing on Ayaya? Even given her spat with Cleb at the time?

1. that's fair
2. yes dolby, I was lazy I didn't really analyse their back and forth. but I wasn't comfy with Ness and Cleb. it was just a feeling no actual reads.

That's literally what we're supposed to do in mafia. We don't have any way of knowing who is who directly; hence why we need to do a little thing called "reading." I honestly don't know what you're trying to get at, except you seem ultra scummy since you're freaking out hardcore when all it would take is a simple explanation of why you were suspect of cleb instead of ayaya, who just flipped scum.

yes I agree now that I think about it, I also do that a lot damn. ok it's been so long since I've been sussed as town. I wasn't even sus of Cleb tho. I was just not comfy which means I didn't get good feelings at the time of reading.

 

[Dolby]

Gonna say that Seroja was far more rational regarding my case on her predescor (once she replaced in) in SU mafia. And was moderately emotional (not up to this level) in OW mafia as scum

 

[Seroja]

may I note that I asked ayaya to simply explain her motivations and she turned out scum

now I'm asking seroja to do so as well

see where I'm going with this

best meta scumread ever guis

/kappa

explain this, I dont understand. what do you want me to do?

 

[Kirbystarship]

omg dolby stop pls I wasn't throwing shade! I legit wasn't feeling comfy at that point of time! consider my position as someone who just freaking replaced in, and only read the thread once up to that point. At the time, everything to be said about aya was already addressed by a lot of people in thread, and also at the time I have no opinion whatsoever on Ayaya. She could be scummy whatever but I wasn't comfy with Cleb and Ness at the time (emphasis on AT THE TIME). ok, those were what I felt at that moment so I said it. It's really not that deep.

This post is full of ate. I think you cracked under pressure. Never seen you use ate when you were town so taking note of this.

 

[amazonevan19]

explain this, I dont understand. what do you want me to do?

I'm basically saying that since I questioned ayaya's motivations and asked for her to explain them, and she turned out scum, therefore you must be scum too since I'm now doing the same for you.

It's obvious bad logic and intended to be taken in a jocular fashion.

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speaking of jokes and memes, I was post 420

smoke memes everyday