It's **** like this that is making our job incredibly difficult atm
Like my two main scumleans are there because I think their AtE and/or overall presence seems fake, and then Bianca pulls this, which seems super genuinely annoyed town to me.
And if it seems like I'm being inconsistent, I'm just trying to consider all of the sides as opposed to tunneling people and not listening to their defenses
Just to let everyone know that I do not intend to participating in anymore discussion as I am more liable to be METAtized every time I say something, and clearly mafia has took advantage of that.
I never used meta and never will. I am extremely annoyed that saying hi hello to everyone will be the cause of my lynch.
I know that mafia is extremely quiet right now as I am the target of elimination.
Extremely annoyed,
Bianca
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Ps Don't you dare call it AtE! I will kick your ass
I complete disagree. I have been town wanting to be read already so that people can just townlock me so I can focus on just reading others. It's definitely naive but I think it has town motives.
Punchy
I'm sure Punchy won't mind me using a few months old meta considering his top scumread is solely based on one year old meta. I'm not gonna explain everything in paragraphs bc I'm sure you guys get the idea I'm trying to illustrate when I compare his behaviour.
Just an interesting parallel I noticed which stuck out to me initially, compared to this game;
So for unravel to say it's a stupid thing for mafia to do, well, maybe that stupidity is showing.
I also noticed as town he overuses 'I think' or 'could' or 'possibly', or contradicts himself bc he's uncertain as a townie should be, but as mafia it's quite the polar opposite if you delve into most of his posts.
Compared to this game;
And with that point, if you go through his post filter on this game, you won't find the word 'could' or 'think' (discounting him attacking Chele's knowledge) or 'possibly', it's all 'would' and 'is' as if he's certain, which is showing his obvious directional accusations imo.
There doesn't seem to be a main FOS rn so I wouldn't be surprised if the Punchy bw catches on after Chele's and my post
I have a ton of chem hw to do and I sleep in tomorrow so I can't promise I'll be here EoD :') goodnight
And this just pulled my last post. I should read everything before posting lol
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Vanessa, if enough of us vote for you, will you lynch yourself?
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Also why did so little happen last night? Good amount of people @tae in particular being really quiet. No offense tae but you were lurking all last night and only has a few short posts.
That is a good point that you?ve made about Punchy. Apologies on my part, I didn?t know that this game was recent.
But anyways, I understand the whole meta reasoning part but still, you can?t clear off Punchy because I honestly don?t like the way that he is playing. I?m not jumping into the bandwagon, because I have my own reasons:
? His unneeded AtE. I have no idea why Punchy just made like three of those AtE posts, because he had no reason to do so and he got so aggressive so quickly. I don?t see why he would start swearing in thread and going after you and others, I felt that it was very unnecessary and it just came out of nowhere - I don?t understand why the posts were there in the first place.
The biggest AtE he has ever made. I don?t even know why he posted this. Mafia is legitimately the definition of going through hard times and being constantly sussed, it?s just how the game goes. Also I?m not being salty btw.
It is weird that he makes an AtE, then after retracts what he has done before explaining ?he had no reason?, all in the same post.
After saying ?wow that was AtE, I shouldn?t have done that? in his previous post, he goes and does it again. He is being very aggressive in this post, and it?s especially shown through questions (or answers) 3 & 4.
? His sloppy reads. Punchy has been using meta too much, or should I say, all the time. The only thing he bases his reads off is meta. He has read Bianca and Mog so far using that method. And yes Antonio, I questioned your meta at first, but then you told me that your reasoning was because this was recent. However, Punchy used old meta for the two (Mog and Bianca) and it is not accurate at all.
In all honesty, this isn?t meta, but it?s worth something pointing out in his sloppy reads. He goes after Antonio?s RQ?s claiming that he?s fluffing (how and why would one possibly fluff their RQ?s) and he accuses Antonio of shading people, when nobody was specifically even mentioned in the RQ?s.
He is going strong on his second post, saying that this is ?100% town? with no doubt. He also refers to CTSTP. Now this is where things get interesting.
In his next post, he repeats his phrase, this time full-on TOWNLOCKING Mog based on CTSTP. Now let?s just take a look at CTSTP.
This game was hosted by Tina 10 months ago, to be exact.
And Punchy is getting away with townlocking her for no reason but meta from 10 months ago...
This sounds so much like desperate scum being happy that Mog isn?t sussing them. Also, Punchy states a line about how Mog acted as scum. If scum Mog was 10 months ago, then when was town Mog? He doesn?t even have town meta evidence to back up Mog?s read. Not only that, he compares Mog?s play to a completely different player?s (Vanessa?s) scum play.
So this is something that I am aware that Ness pointed out. To begin with, he claims Bianca saying ?stop using meta? is AtE. Then, he goes on to say ?I?d lynch her today?. Mind you, this was in the span of 3 minutes. Literally.
Then Punchy mentions Caxnival. This is key as to how his reading is unreasonable.
Caxnival was more than a year ago. This is very sus.
To conclude, I have nothing against Mog and Bianca (they?re both nulls for me), and Punchy, if you could do a bit more reasoning for us then I?ll be grateful. : )
Other than that, atm he?s still a sus.
? His play. Punchy?s take on the game is first of all, not very serious and also, quite unhelpful to Town. I could understand Punchy not being serious could possibly still be town, but what I can?t understand his general take to the game. Punchy has had about a year?s worth of mafia experience and he should be able to know that you can?t read people solely based of meta, especially old meta? Trundle and Waffles have also made a point about how Punchy has improved and how he?s previously been winning Mafia games. I?m curious as to what he is planning to do in this game, and this is only D1, so I want to see what Punchy would do next.
Now I have to go sleep. I can?t wait to wake up to like 19 pages of Mafia while I sleep... ughghg I hate being in a Timezone so far ahead. Good night. : (
I literally just woke up so I apologize for the poor grammar, if there is any.
These are some interesting points and I can see how it's scummy but I have sussed punchy for poor reads, the way he plays, and his ATE in the last game but then it appeared he was Town. I know meta isn't solid evidence but there are too much similiarties to be just a coincidence. Unless he is trying to do the same thing on purpouse but his statements don't feel forced.
Punchy is a Townlean imo, unless further actions prove otherwise.
Have you considered that this game is such a mess that mafia is using the AtE ****storm to blend in?
For the record, Rune parroted what I said about this game without acknowledging my thought process at all, which I kind of dislike. It's easy to just keep repeating "this game is AtE ohmahgawd" and use that to conceal real analysis.
Seems mood is going against Punchy atm and I generally agree with the analysis presented against him. The AtE seems fake, but most importantly, although he seems to have a valid "excuse" for asking for reads on him, he should very well know TBT is a much different animal. 40 vs 14 people. I've been in one of the games he's describing and I got modkilled because like Punchy, no one really engaged me and I felt no motivation to play, since they all seemed to be there for years and know each other super well with their own inside jokes and whatnot. I'll be voting Punchy for the time being.
Vanessa doesn't seem directed to me in terms of how she's conducting this vote; there's also a huge difference in activity levels between last game (where she was scum) and this game. Although being selected king will probably do that to you no matter what your alignment is.
Unravel also seems to be putting in a lot more effort/offering original thoughts alongside her (literal) ****posting, which would normally make me townread someone...but coming from her I am not sure if it's her trying to look townie or is actual townie play.
I actually don't have any scum reads tbh. The only thing I didn't like is Ness backtracking his statement but that isn't solid evidence for lynching someone really.
Unravel also seems to be putting in a lot more effort/offering original thoughts alongside her (literal) ****posting, which would normally make me townread someone...but coming from her I am not sure if it's her trying to look townie or is actual townie play.
Why do you keep thinking I'm not acting in the best interest of the game, are you paranoid or is something actually making you think that that I can address?
Just because you think I'm inconsistent or are there more reasons?
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Why do you keep thinking I'm not acting in the best interest of the game, are you paranoid or is something actually making you think that I can address?
It's not that I don't think you are acting in the best interest of the game, I'm just stating that we should scumread if you aren't.
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Trundle, you didn't answer my question. Also, Vanessa not voting for herself is not scumming so your reaction towards her is very cocky. I mean, if she would vote for herself and she is Town (and knows it) then that would be a bad play from her.
