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so i'm sure a lot of you have heard about the texas education board pushing to revise the social studies curriculum and schoolbooks to paint the country's history is a more conservative light, namely shifting focus from minority-rights groups and the like to more conservative movements and contesting the establishment clause of the first amendment.

chilling, isn't it?

there is some humor in it, though, like Cynthia Dunbar (more like dumbar xdddd) "referring to the united states and its history as a 'Christian land governed by Christian principles'...'I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Saviour have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses'"

tell me, why are people that might as well admit that they know nothing about US history deciding what to teach about it?

oh u, texas

 

[Entei Slider]

so i'm sure a lot of you have heard about the texas education board pushing to revise the social studies curriculum and schoolbooks to paint the country's history is a more conservative light, namely shifting focus from minority-rights groups and the like to more conservative movements and contesting the establishment clause of the first amendment.

chilling, isn't it?

there is some humor in it, though, like Cynthia Dunbar (more like dumbar xdddd) "referring to the united states and its history as a 'Christian land governed by Christian principles'...'I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing that the Good Book and the spirit of the Saviour have from the beginning been our guiding geniuses'"

tell me, why are people that might as well admit that they know nothing about US history deciding what to teach about it?

oh u, texas

-sigh- I really want to keep standing up for Texas... Its just getting too hard T_T.

 

[Ron Ronaldo]

O_O;

That's... wow. I don't really know what to say.

 

[Jeremy]

Most history text books push some sort of lean on what actually happened in history. The fact that one government school board adopted a different flavor is not very shocking to me. If you criticize this school board's book, you should also criticize almost every text book from other government school boards.

 

[Zangy]

cool

 

[Bacon Boy]

Most history text books push some sort of lean on what actually happened in history. The fact that one government school board adopted a different flavor is not very shocking to me.

This.

But I have a question for you. If this country was not based on Christian principles, where did "One nation under God" come from?
This doesn't affect me anyways. Private School.

 

[Jeremy]

Most history text books push some sort of lean on what actually happened in history. The fact that one government school board adopted a different flavor is not very shocking to me.

This.

But I have a question for you. If this country was not based on Christian principles, where did "One nation under God" come from?
This doesn't affect me anyways. Private School.

I think Christians can argue that liberty and morality are Christian principles. But I wouldn't necessarily argue that they are exclusive to Christianity. This is probably why people feel the need to debate the issue. I honestly don't think it is very relevant.

 

[Bacon Boy]

Most history text books push some sort of lean on what actually happened in history. The fact that one government school board adopted a different flavor is not very shocking to me.

This.

But I have a question for you. If this country was not based on Christian principles, where did "One nation under God" come from?
This doesn't affect me anyways. Private School.

I think Christians can argue that liberty and morality are Christian principles. But I wouldn't necessarily argue that they are exclusive to Christianity. This is probably why people feel the need to debate the issue. I honestly don't think it is very relevant.

It's not entirely relevant. But this country does have some Christian base to it. Even if you think back to the crusades and explorers.

 

[Mino]

Most history text books push some sort of lean on what actually happened in history. The fact that one government school board adopted a different flavor is not very shocking to me.

This.

But I have a question for you. If this country was not based on Christian principles, where did "One nation under God" come from?
This doesn't affect me anyways. Private School.

1950's anti-communist paranoia? No, I'm dead serious. Our official motto was "E pluribus, unum" up until then. On top of that, that's when the phrase "under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance.

 

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Most history text books push some sort of lean on what actually happened in history. The fact that one government school board adopted a different flavor is not very shocking to me.

This.

But I have a question for you. If this country was not based on Christian principles, where did "One nation under God" come from?
This doesn't affect me anyways. Private School.

I think Christians can argue that liberty and morality are Christian principles. But I wouldn't necessarily argue that they are exclusive to Christianity. This is probably why people feel the need to debate the issue. I honestly don't think it is very relevant.

It's not entirely relevant. But this country does have some Christian base to it. Even if you think back to the crusades and explorers.

i'm not even entirely sure what that has to do with anything.

article 11 of the treaty of tripoli:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,

 

[Mino]

That's some pretty clear language.

 

[Bacon Boy]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepnot based on Christian principles, where did "One nation under God" come from?
This doesn't affect me anyways. Private School.

I think Christians can argue that liberty and morality are Christian principles. But I wouldn't necessarily argue that they are exclusive to Christianity. This is probably why people feel the need to debate the issue. I honestly don't think it is very relevant.

It's not entirely relevant. But this country does have some Christian base to it. Even if you think back to the crusades and explorers.

i'm not even entirely sure what that has to do with anything.

article 11 of the treaty of tripoli:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,

 

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It's not entirely relevant. But this country does have some Christian base to it. Even if you think back to the crusades and explorers.

i'm not even entirely sure what that has to do with anything.

article 11 of the treaty of tripoli:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,

 

[Jeremy]

sorry, i must be thinking of some other crusades.

maybe they discovered the land to spread their faith but the "founding fathers" were deists and it's obvious that the government was not founded with christianity in mind.

Most founding fathers were Christians. Some were deist Christians. I know Thomas Paine was not a Christian though.

But before this, the northern U.S. was originally settled for mostly religious reasons. The southern U.S. was settled for mostly economic reasons.

But the important question is: does the U.S. have an official religion? The obvious answer is no.

 

[Mino]

@Mino: Regardless, they put it there. They put it there because they needed something to give them hope. (Or something to that effect.)

I'm not sure who you think "they" is. It was put in there to distinguish us from the rising Soviet Union. It's a relic of an age of paranoia and insanity.

 

[Mino]

sorry, i must be thinking of some other crusades.

maybe they discovered the land to spread their faith but the "founding fathers" were deists and it's obvious that the government was not founded with christianity in mind.

Most founding fathers were Christians. Some were deist Christians. I know Thomas Paine was not a Christian though.

You're going to have to be careful in the way you toss around religious beliefs. I'm curious to see a Deist Christian, it seems rather contradictory to claim the divinity of Jesus while proclaiming a naturalistic universe.

 

[Jeremy]

@Mino: Regardless, they put it there. They put it there because they needed something to give them hope. (Or something to that effect.)

I'm not sure who you think "they" is. It was put in there to distinguish us from the rising Soviet Union. It's a relic of an age of paranoia and insanity.

The pledge of allegiance itself was written by a socialist. Children (and whoever) originally did the Nazi salute to the flag, until that became an image of the Nazis. It changed to the hand over heart. But he probably wouldn't have a problem with the addition since he was also a Christian.

 

[Jeremy]

sorry, i must be thinking of some other crusades.

maybe they discovered the land to spread their faith but the "founding fathers" were deists and it's obvious that the government was not founded with christianity in mind.

Most founding fathers were Christians. Some were deist Christians. I know Thomas Paine was not a Christian though.

You're going to have to be careful in the way you toss around religious beliefs. I'm curious to see a Deist Christian, it seems rather contradictory to claim the divinity of Jesus while proclaiming a naturalistic universe.

That is why I'm not a deist Christian. But many of them did mix it. Thomas Jefferson used the Bible, but denied parts of it, for example. Most of American deism originated as Christianity too. The same goes for pantheism later.

 

[Mino]

sorry, i must be thinking of some other crusades.

maybe they discovered the land to spread their faith but the "founding fathers" were deists and it's obvious that the government was not founded with christianity in mind.

Most founding fathers were Christians. Some were deist Christians. I know Thomas Paine was not a Christian though.

You're going to have to be careful in the way you toss around religious beliefs. I'm curious to see a Deist Christian, it seems rather contradictory to claim the divinity of Jesus while proclaiming a naturalistic universe.

That is why I'm not a deist Christian. But many of them did mix it. Thomas Jefferson used the Bible, but denied parts of it, for example. Most of American deism originated as Christianity too. The same goes for pantheism later.

Actually, Thomas Jefferson rewrote the Bible, removing all of the magical nonsense from it. He didn't "use" it.

 

[Jeremy]

Like I said, he accepted parts of the Bible, and rejected others.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=christian+deism

And please be careful not to criticize certain religions as you have since discussing religion is against the rules.