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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. "Christian Deist" is an almost contradictory supernatural belief. I'm thinking you may mean "Deism based in Christianity", which is a rather important distinction.Jeremy said:
The Jefferson Bible was not actually the entire Bible, it was really just a mash-up of the different narratives of Jesus' life. Enlightenment fan-fiction, if you will.
No, what you said was that he "used" parts of the Bible, saying that proves that he mixed Deism with Christianity. But the bits of the Bible that make Christianity the religion of "Christianity" are the ones where Jesus was divine and performed miracles. Otherwise, it's just a philosophy based on some moral teachings Confucius came up with centuries earlier.Jeremy said:
And Jeremy, I never would suspect you to be the one to accuse me of arguing for no reason. I happen to care very deeply about the reputation of our founders, especially at a time when their memories are so flagrantly abused in order to further certain groups' goals.
OK, Mino. Jefferson agreed with many parts of Christianity's holy book. However, he did not agree with any parts of Christianity's holy book. This is because you have told me that Jefferson was in no way related to anything about Christianity. Even though he agreed with many things Jesus said, we should name his philosophy on someone entirely different named Confucius.Mino said:
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A debate is a good thing.Kaleb said:
Am I the only one seriously sick of the south, especially Texas in general? They're stuck in 1638, but the rest of us are trying to move on. But this bill really annoys me. They keep trying to shove Christian beliefs down everyones throat, when this is a country free from religion, with atheistic and deist founders. I have no problem with religion, you can believe whatever you want. I just really wish it would stop creeping into our government and education.
Don't try and mischaracterize what I've said, it's rather cheap and ineffective. If you don't understand what I'm saying, let me summarize for you:Jeremy said:
A "Deist Christian" is a contradiction in terms, no matter how many hits it returns on Google. Deism is the belief in an uninvolved Creator, one that created the universe, set it in motion, then took its hands off. Christianity is a monotheistic religion centering around the divinity of Jesus, which claims that he was the son of God and was resurrected after being crucified. The idea of God becoming a man, miracles, and resurrections all involve a suspension of the natural order, things which deism specifically says do not happen.
Thomas Jefferson was a deist, and whether or not his belief in God originated with Christianity or whatever religion, it is simply false to claim him as Christian. In accordance with his deistic beliefs, he reworked the story of Jesus of Nazareth so that it contained no instances of supernatural phenomena. Jefferson kept the parables and teachings of Jesus intact, as that was his purpose.
What I'm saying is that the Bible has nothing remarkable in the way of moral teaching that common sense can't teach, not to mention that most of the teachings had already been thought up earlier by philosophers, including Confucius.
And the main reason I care so deeply about Thomas Jefferson is that he is one of the people targeted by the wingnuts in the Texas Board of Education. They sought to have him removed from a list of enlightenment thinkers, which seems a rather dickish move to make against the person who envisioned many of the important parts of our government, including the separation of church and state (another thing said wingnuts have sought to contest.)
Stuff it. Don't be generalistic *censored.1.3*s. You don't see me shoving my beliefs down your throats. And I don't know where you're gettig this information. Based on this one school's decision? Also, Texas, as well as many other states are tryig to change the government because, frankly, the government sucks right now.lilypad said:
And Mino, how is the Bible copying Confucious? One, it was written earlier than Confucious if not around the same time (dates are confusing to me right now). Two, if they weren't and the Bible was writen a couple hundred years after. It is highly unlikely that the news of Confucious's teaching reached the country the Bible was written in fast enough to write a book as extensive as the Bible.
let me start telling you where you're wrongBacon Boy said:
"generalistic" isn't a word.
no one said you were and quite frankly you seem to throw that out there whenever something like this becomes the topic of discussion.
it's not one school, it's all of texas and possibly other states.
that's just, like, your opinion, man.
We're not talking about one school here, we're talking about the Board of Education for the state of Texas. They decide what is to be included in the curriculum and since Texas is such a huge buyer of books, as a result it influences greatly what gets printed in the textbooks for the rest of the nation. It's not a situation where the state is trying to change the government, it's a situation where a select faction of a government body is trying to change history and influence in their favor what is taught to children.Bacon Boy said:
I never said it copied Confucius, I said that there were teachings in it that had already been said by other philosophers. So for a supposedly divinely revealed truth, it certainly wasn't very novel. And yes, parts of the Old Testament were probably written before Confucius. None of the New Testament.Bacon Boy said:
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