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Songs of Solitude (Update 3)
- Thread starter Bulerias
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Hehe, my CD doesn't have flamenco... sadly. : ( I'm not good enough to record it on CD.
Well, JJ, if you wanna start flamenco, you gotta get the technique going first. There are a few different ones, but the most important ones are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasgueado
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picados
Also, read this, these guys give good suggestions on where to start:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1837434
Once you get the technique down, you should start with pieces by Sabicas, Mario Escudero, etc... "classic" flamenco tunes. After a few years of solidifying technique playing those pieces, you can move up to early Paco de Lucia tunes. I'm currently at this point in my flamenco studies, but I still need to work on the "strength" of my rasgueados. My teacher says the only way to do that effectively is attend flamenco dance classes and accompany... I haven't had much time to do that yet. :\
Also, you may want to read up on the origins/history behind flamenco, and the evolution of flamenco guitar. I can help you with that if you're really interested.
EDIT - Oh yeah, and then you gotta familiarize yourself with all the different "palos", or styles of flamenco. These range from "Bulerias" (yes, that's where I got my screen-name from) to "Alegrias" to "Solea" and to "Sevillanas". A lot of them -- the majority, in fact -- are based on a 12 beat rhythm with unconventional accents.
The Bulerias, for example, which typically begins on 12. Accents in bold.
12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
and repeat
Basically, it alternates 3/4 and 6/8 measures. You can also count Bulerias in 2s, 3s, 4s, 6s, and, like above, in the 12 beat rhythm...
...Yeah, it's complicated. XD But oh so rewarding... you really need to find a teacher, though, if you're serious about studying flamenco.
Well, JJ, if you wanna start flamenco, you gotta get the technique going first. There are a few different ones, but the most important ones are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasgueado
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picados
Also, read this, these guys give good suggestions on where to start:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1837434
Once you get the technique down, you should start with pieces by Sabicas, Mario Escudero, etc... "classic" flamenco tunes. After a few years of solidifying technique playing those pieces, you can move up to early Paco de Lucia tunes. I'm currently at this point in my flamenco studies, but I still need to work on the "strength" of my rasgueados. My teacher says the only way to do that effectively is attend flamenco dance classes and accompany... I haven't had much time to do that yet. :\
Also, you may want to read up on the origins/history behind flamenco, and the evolution of flamenco guitar. I can help you with that if you're really interested.
EDIT - Oh yeah, and then you gotta familiarize yourself with all the different "palos", or styles of flamenco. These range from "Bulerias" (yes, that's where I got my screen-name from) to "Alegrias" to "Solea" and to "Sevillanas". A lot of them -- the majority, in fact -- are based on a 12 beat rhythm with unconventional accents.
The Bulerias, for example, which typically begins on 12. Accents in bold.
12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
and repeat
Basically, it alternates 3/4 and 6/8 measures. You can also count Bulerias in 2s, 3s, 4s, 6s, and, like above, in the 12 beat rhythm...
...Yeah, it's complicated. XD But oh so rewarding... you really need to find a teacher, though, if you're serious about studying flamenco.
You may also want to get a flamenco guitar. I recommend...
http://chiyostrings.blogspot.com/2008/04/review-yamaha-cg171sf-flamenco-guitar.html
It's the one I have. Comparable to guitars made in Spain... but at a fraction of the price. : )
http://chiyostrings.blogspot.com/2008/04/review-yamaha-cg171sf-flamenco-guitar.html
It's the one I have. Comparable to guitars made in Spain... but at a fraction of the price. : )
JJRamone2
Senior Member
In terms of teachers, my brother's friend's dad is a professional teacher for flamenco and has taught people I know, I could definitely learn from him.
Oh and as for the "Can I teach myself rasgeado" thread, I have the whole 'playing electric for 4 hours (for me, usually more) a day' thing in common.
Oh, and goddamn am I gonna have to grow my fingernails, good thing I already started on that knowing I'd have to.
Oh and as for the "Can I teach myself rasgeado" thread, I have the whole 'playing electric for 4 hours (for me, usually more) a day' thing in common.
Oh, and goddamn am I gonna have to grow my fingernails, good thing I already started on that knowing I'd have to.
I know I've asked you this a million times, but how long have you been playing flamenco/guitar? 8 years or something? D:Bulerias said:
And the stuff on your putfile sounded amazing. If there's more of that, I just might get this CD.
On a side note, Bul, I'm now obessed with that random "Retro Memory" song. xD
Oh, awesome, so you've got some connections. You should maybe set up lessons with that guy, I'm sure he'll get you started on the right track.JJRamone2 said:
Yeah... fingernails are a guitarist's worst nightmare, especially for flamenco... oh God... if they break, you're pretty much an invalid.... well, at least until they grow back, haha. And the maintenance... ughh... you gotta keep 'em in good shape to get a good sound.
@ Gengar - Guitar in total for around 9 years, flamenco and Brazilian for 5 (I started with -- and still play -- classical guitar).
Oh yes, there shall be more of that. Just on a much grander scale... : ) I'm looking at a 17 track CD, actually, so there should be a solid hour of music.
Hehe, it's a good tune.
Oh yeah, and guys, if you're interested in "pre-ordering", just shoot me a PM and I'll put you down on the list. After all, I'll surely have enough CDs to go around... 1000 isn't a small number by any means, haha.
And with all the expenses (studio + photo shoot for cover + CD production), I'm gonna start out in the red, obviously. Something like $2000, actually... but with potential profits of $13,000, haha. I'd be thrilled if I actually sold all 1000. 0_0
And with all the expenses (studio + photo shoot for cover + CD production), I'm gonna start out in the red, obviously. Something like $2000, actually... but with potential profits of $13,000, haha. I'd be thrilled if I actually sold all 1000. 0_0
Wow dude nice music never knew you had that talent. Yah I have a gutar and some friends that play. I had some books I was practicing on but they could only take me so far. I need to find me a teacher, but they cost to much out here. I would go to my friends house and let him teach me but i never have time and he lives all the way accross town.
Thanks. : )sunate said:
Books are nice, but nothing can beat an actual teacher. Especially when the teacher(s) is/are genuinely interested in seeing you progress, like mine are. As for cost, most ask for $25 - $35 per hour, but admittedly I don't know where you live, so I don't know what the asking price is over there.
A lot of flamenco guitar teachers in New York ask for as much as $50 - $70 an hour, for example, so yeah... way too expensive.
Yea Im not playing the same style of music as you but the princeple is the same. I mean Im a very independent guy. I work for all of my stuff. My parents rarly help me out with anything so it's kinda hard.
Great... so now apparently I need to get the licensse to all songs not composed by me.
The total for that? Around $1000... great. So now I've got to sell 200 CDs to break even. A daunting task, but hopefully possible.
The total for that? Around $1000... great. So now I've got to sell 200 CDs to break even. A daunting task, but hopefully possible.
[quote="Shadow_]You could always try and compose some of your own music, just a few compositions you don't have to get a license for would save you a hundred dollars or so.[/quote]Yeah, I've got a tune I wrote, but then again, it's only one tune...
Triforce3force
Senior Member
Wow, it's nice to see you progressing in your music. I wish you luck on selling your copies, but I probably won't be able to pick on up, seeing as it's the whole 'A guy I know on the internet' thing.
But I am thoroughly impressed, and admire your spirit and drive. I love music, but I'll never get past a hobby. (But, I'm fine with that.)
But I am thoroughly impressed, and admire your spirit and drive. I love music, but I'll never get past a hobby. (But, I'm fine with that.)
Thank you.Triforce3force said:
You could always say you found me through YouTube, liked my videos, and then saw my site, haha.
@ Sunate - My current one goes for $10, but the new one will be $15, since the costs of production have increased significantly... and it's gonna be x1000 in terms of quality.
'Nother update.
The 1000 CDs plan? Down the drain. It's just not financially viable to invest 3000 bucks into something that may not even break even.
So instead we're doing 200 CDs, taking photos ourselves, and doing the graphic design ourselves (or with someone's help, cough cough)...
So the expenses would come to a much more modest $800, but the potential profit would also be much more modest -- around $2200. Ah well. It's no $10,000+, but hey, gotta start somewhere...
The 1000 CDs plan? Down the drain. It's just not financially viable to invest 3000 bucks into something that may not even break even.
So instead we're doing 200 CDs, taking photos ourselves, and doing the graphic design ourselves (or with someone's help, cough cough)...
So the expenses would come to a much more modest $800, but the potential profit would also be much more modest -- around $2200. Ah well. It's no $10,000+, but hey, gotta start somewhere...
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