Religious Views: Seek Advice Here or Help Others!

[Nay]

You usually have to examine what's already been said before you can get something new. Human civilization has been debating it for millenia and we still have no definitive answer. If we don't discuss it, we can't make breakthroughs. Will we get one here? Who knows. But the fact that this thread has gone for 14 pages and still has avoided becoming a flame war and being shutdown I think says something positive about the maturity of the current community. Despite no one being converted from their previous stances, I for one am enjoying every minute of this.

u are seriously cool.

 

[KainAronoele]

Spoiler: Because it's long

Honestly, if he said that then I don't think it has anything to do with your religion. It'a an excuse he's using so that he can say and do what he wants as your parent.

I completely understand because I am exactly the same way. My adopted mom is also a very intimidating person and since I am so shy and stuff I can't handle confrontation well and every time I would talk to her she would turn it around on me, make me feel like the bad guy in the situation, and then she would cause me to cry and not even care. As I got older though (I'm 20 now), I realized that no matter how shy I am I have to stand up for myself because if I don't than she was going to continue to basically push me around and I was just going to listen to her. Sooner or later your dad is going to possibly push you to the same point and you are going to confront him about it. And no matter how upset he gets he is still your father and he will eventually understand.

Yeah, plus when I brought it up he then turned it on me saying how I can't bring up the Bible cuz some things I do aren't Biblical. Like, I wasn't trying to make this a Who's more Biblical war, just asked an honest question cuz it really confused me.

Yup, as an example above ^ my dad does the same. Turns it on you, or guilt trips you in a way to make him look like such a sad person that never gets anything or is always accused of being wrong, etc. I also cry easily too, which would then make him even more angry and say "Idc if you're getting all upset, this is happening from your own doing." And I'm like, what? I'm just living my life how I think I should. Why is this all my fault?
I'm 19, lol, and I've been so sheltered, though I'm mature, I cn't do lots of things on my own, and I hate being alone... Off subject though.
He also told me the Love is just a feeling, and I can get over it. In short telling me that family is more important than love and that I need to just leave him cuz I "WILL" get over him and be able to move on (with someone he approves of)
I'm hoping once we have space from each other it'll be easier and he'll be able to realize that I'm an adult.

 

[Pharaoh]

You usually have to examine what's already been said before you can get something new. Human civilization has been debating it for millenia and we still have no definitive answer. If we don't discuss it, we can't make breakthroughs. Will we get one here? Who knows. But the fact that this thread has gone for 14 pages and still has avoided becoming a flame war and being shutdown I think says something positive about the maturity of the current community. Regardless of the fact that no one has been converted from their previous stances, I for one am enjoying every minute of this.

Well if that's what fulfills you. I guess seeing so many of the same arguments used over and over has numbed me. I doubt anything insightful will ever come, and the fact that it HAS been debated so long only proves that there IS no answer and will continue down this perpetual loop. Religion can be debated for its standards and conduct, but something as personal as spirituality can't, because it is personal and connected to emotion. I guess I just don't get the point of boring discussions that go no where in the end, ultimately. Though I will agree on one thing, the fact that it's gone on this long without any hate is a giant kudos, I usually see religious topics fall apart after the first page.

 

[KainAronoele]

Ah, so should I close this since everyone thinks it was a bad idea to make?
Feel a bit offended, lol, bt I guess I should have made it more of a Seeking advice thread where if you have a question about something in your religion you don't understand, or about another or something that someone could help them out, rather than ppl stating opinions as lots will disagree with.

I'm sorry for causing a ruckus, it was not my intention, but then again I didn't completely see it through, so I'm sorry for that.
I didn't really think that if as long as ppl were calm when replying but still getting points across that it would still get kinda bad.
I'm also sorry for anyone I've let down by deciding to create this thread.

 

[Midoriya]

Ah, so should I close this since everyone thinks it was a bad idea to make?
Feel a bit offended, lol, bt I guess I should have made it more of a Seeking advice thread where if you have a question about something in your religion you don't understand, or about another or something that someone could help them out, rather than ppl stating opinions as lots will disagree with.

I'm sorry for causing a ruckus, it was not my intention, but then again I didn't completely see it through, so I'm sorry for that.
I didn't really think that if as long as ppl were calm when replying but still getting points across that it would still get kinda bad.
I'm also sorry for anyone I've let down by deciding to create this thread.

It's okay, really! It's not your fault at all. You were just seeking advice about a relationship and people gave it to you. That in itself is perfectly fine, and so is discussing religion. The only difference is in discussing religion there will always be opinionated people. But this thread has gone REALLY well for a religious thread on a Nintendo forum. 15 pages and still no flaming. You don't have to close it just yet, it's your decision though. Stay frosty, my friend.

 

[Pharaoh]

Ah, so should I close this since everyone thinks it was a bad idea to make?
Feel a bit offended, lol, bt I guess I should have made it more of a Seeking advice thread where if you have a question about something in your religion you don't understand, or about another or something that someone could help them out, rather than ppl stating opinions as lots will disagree with.

I'm sorry for causing a ruckus, it was not my intention, but then again I didn't completely see it through, so I'm sorry for that.
I didn't really think that if as long as ppl were calm when replying but still getting points across that it would still get kinda bad.
I'm also sorry for anyone I've let down by deciding to create this thread.

You haven't done anything wrong, it just came across as a more general thread where the same kinds of arguments are going to be rehashed, so that's why I said what I had to say about it. I don't want to discourage you, I've just been around this for so long that it always seems like it ends or repeats in the same way. I think it's going well though, I haven't seen any hateful comments at all. Maybe tailoring the thread would be a good idea though, to have people from different religions or lack thereof to be able to answer questions, instead of debating. I don't know, it's up to you like Riley said!

 

[-Apples-]

Ah, so should I close this since everyone thinks it was a bad idea to make?
Feel a bit offended, lol, bt I guess I should have made it more of a Seeking advice thread where if you have a question about something in your religion you don't understand, or about another or something that someone could help them out, rather than ppl stating opinions as lots will disagree with.

I'm sorry for causing a ruckus, it was not my intention, but then again I didn't completely see it through, so I'm sorry for that.
I didn't really think that if as long as ppl were calm when replying but still getting points across that it would still get kinda bad.
I'm also sorry for anyone I've let down by deciding to create this thread.

I'm sorry that your thread was damaged by an argument. Even I tried to avoid getting involved. Actually, I wasn't arguing, but by bringing up how controversial subjects like this can get heated too quickly, I did somehow get involved.

 

[KainAronoele]

It's okay, really! It's not your fault at all. You were just seeking advice about a relationship and people gave it to you. That in itself is perfectly fine, and so is discussing religion. The only difference is in discussing religion there will always be opinionated people. But this thread has gone REALLY well for a religious thread on a Nintendo forum. 15 pages and still no flaming. You don't have to close it just yet, it's your decision though. Stay frosty, my friend.

As a sensitive person I just took some of the talk as it kind of being my fault, as they're saying it's not needed, so since I created it, feels as if they're blaming me xD
I take stuff too personally sometimes though lol.

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You haven't done anything wrong, it just came across as a more general thread where the same kinds of arguments are going to be rehashed, so that's why I said what I had to say about it. I don't want to discourage you, I've just been around this for so long that it always seems like it ends or repeats in the same way. I think it's going well though, I haven't seen any hateful comments at all. Maybe tailoring the thread would be a good idea though, to have people from different religions or lack thereof to be able to answer questions, instead of debating. I don't know, it's up to you like Riley said!

It's fine, as I said above, i take some things too personally, so I asked to be sure cuz sometimes I just misunderstand lol.
What is tailoring? Like to adjust the topic as I brought up?
I may do that if others agree, so maybe it doesn't end up getting so bad lol.

 

[Pharaoh]

As a sensitive person I just took some of the talk as it kind of being my fault, as they're saying it's not needed, so since I created it, feels as if they're blaming me xD
I take stuff too personally sometimes though lol.

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It's fine, as I said above, i take some things too personally, so I asked to be sure cuz sometimes I just misunderstand lol.
What is tailoring? Like to adjust the topic as I brought up?
I may do that if others agree, so maybe it doesn't end up getting so bad lol.

It's okay Kain, it was never my intention to personally attack you, as if it's your fault for making a thread, it's not. It's just the replies. I mean as is, it's not bad at all, but if you wanted to maintain focus and make it more of a support thread where people can reach out to others, that might work out just fine. Don't feel bad though, please, I never intended to make you feel badly.

 

[Midoriya]

As a sensitive person I just took some of the talk as it kind of being my fault, as they're saying it's not needed, so since I created it, feels as if they're blaming me xD
I take stuff too personally sometimes though lol.

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It's fine, as I said above, i take some things too personally, so I asked to be sure cuz sometimes I just misunderstand lol.
What is tailoring? Like to adjust the topic as I brought up?
I may do that if others agree, so maybe it doesn't end up getting so bad lol.

It's okay, I'm sensitive too! No one's blaming you for anything though. Everything is chill here.

 

[KainAronoele]

It's okay Kain, it was never my intention to personally attack you, as if it's your fault for making a thread, it's not. It's just the replies. I mean as is, it's not bad at all, but if you wanted to maintain focus and make it more of a support thread where people can reach out to others, that might work out just fine. Don't feel bad though, please, I never intended to make you feel badly.

It's ok. No harm done ^^
I just wanted to be sure. I feel so bad when I do something to make someone think bad of me, so I wanted to clear it up and apologize if I did do something to mess something up.
Idk, my mind is trailing elsewhere now. Been a long day and need to eat!

 

[eggs]

besides all the other god talk, my family is catholic, so naturally, i'm catholic as well.
however, i've been seriously questioning my religion lately. i'm about to be 18 and basically independent (my mother told me that i can't question jesus/god's existence until i'm out of her house), so this is pretty big for me. i'm thinking i'm more jewish than anything, but... i don't know. religion is confusing.
anyone have any conversion stories?

 

[Yukari Yakumo]

besides all the other god talk, my family is catholic, so naturally, i'm catholic as well.
however, i've been seriously questioning my religion lately. i'm about to be 18 and basically independent (my mother told me that i can't question jesus/god's existence until i'm out of her house), so this is pretty big for me. i'm thinking i'm more jewish than anything, but... i don't know. religion is confusing.
anyone have any conversion stories?

Conversion to Judaism is trickier than others since it's become more about the ethnicity.
Basically, you only get full benefits if you're born into it. You can convert in, but you're kind of a second-class citizen no matter what.

 

[eggs]

Conversion to Judaism is trickier than others since it's become more about the ethnicity.
Basically, you only get full benefits if you're born into it. You can convert in, but you're kind of a second-class citizen no matter what.

full benefits? what do you mean by this?
also, thank you for replying, it's greatly appreciated.

 

[Yukari Yakumo]

full benefits? what do you mean by this?
also, thank you for replying, it's greatly appreciated.

I don't know about the particulars(I'm no expert, so grain of salt), but again these days being Jewish is more about the hereditary ethnicity than the religious practices. You can be Jewish and not follow Judaism(a person can become, say, an atheist), and you can convert to Judaism but still won't be Jewish. Part of it comes from the doctrines(which some agree with and others don't) that the Jews are the chosen people which goes into the narrative the Jewish people have for themselves which is that even though they are the "chosen people" that doesn't keep God from punishing them when they act poorly(i.e. even the favorite son/daughter can still be punished for misbehaving)
A rabbi once talked to my History of World Religions class about it.

 

[Izzy Reincarnated]

Personally, I'm against religions. I do not believe in a so called "god".
I believe that all humans are gods. I believe we can make anything happen with the way of our thinking. I believe humans THEMSELVES have the potential to communicate with each other through thoughts, change how one being feels, manipulate energy, read minds, manipulate weather, sense how one is like, protect oneself from negative energy, etc.

As for does hell exist? Yes and No. You create your own hell.

 

[KainAronoele]

I have changed the thread a bit, and the rules. It's mostly the same, just changed some words around, but check it out and lemme know if I should reword or add another! ^^

 

[unravel]

Christian people: Roman Catholic religion is hoax because they don't worship the saints and Mother Mary.

 

[Eldin]

Apatheism was mentioned at the beginning of this thread, and although I've never heard the word before I feel like that basically sums up any sort of religious -ism I would fit into.

It's just not something I'm concerned about personally. The existence of a deity or afterlife, or moral consequences. Whether there is any purpose or not, it doesn't affect how I live my life. Any eventual answer, if it existed, wouldn't present itself until death anyways, so it still has no relevance to me. I dislike when people ask me what religion I am a part of, or if I'm an atheist. It doesn't feel right to say that I am even that, because it's not that I strongly don't believe, it's just that I don't know and am content not to.

I have no problem with other religions. Of course I'm not overly fond of religious institutions as a whole due to our history of killing each other over it. But as for the present day I don't begrudge anyone for what they believe, as long as they are not still holding onto violent or bigoted viewpoints themselves. And it is definitely an interesting topic that I don't mind learning more about.

Kudos on the thread making it so long, by the way. The topic usually riles everyone up pretty quickly

 

[tumut]

Christian people: Roman Catholic religion is hoax because they don't worship the saints and Mother Mary.

Lol what? I think you're a little confused.