phone advice

[Benevoir]

Why not use this as an opportunity to prove them that you are responsible and mature enough to have an iPhone 5s, rather than asking us to give advice to persuade your parents?

I also doubt that you'll get bullied for having an old phone so don't worry about it OP.

 

[piichinu]

"Manipulate your parents."

Yeah because **** those people that take care of you, they surely have lots of money to spend on the latest gadget just so you don't get made fun of at school. Oh my god this site is so full of stupid sometimes. You don't NEED an iPhone, any normal phone would work for calls or texts, you don't NEED the latest, you won't DIE without one. How did all of us old farts survive back in the day, gosh. OP should pay for the entire phone if they want a SPECIFIC one that parents won't pay for. Parents owe you nothing.

yes, manipulate them because my family was abusive toward me except in the materialistic way. every day they would call me dumb and tell me i would be homeless and not get into college, etc. same with my brother. they mean nothing to me. i only rely on them for money.

 

[Pharaoh]

yes, manipulate them because my family was abusive toward me except in the materialistic way. every day they would call me dumb and tell me i would be homeless and not get into college, etc. they mean nothing to me. i only rely on them for money.

Great for you, that is not the case for everyone, and giving that kind of advice is ridiculous. Just because your situation was abusive doesn't mean OP's is. :/

 

[piichinu]

Great for you, that is not the case for everyone, and giving that kind of advice is ridiculous. Just because your situation was abusive doesn't mean OP's is. :/

we don't know OP's situation so that was just a little thing on the side, just in case.

 

[Soda Fox]

It's a good trait to have but still, the way he's presented this says nothing but "I'm whiny and spoiled" which isn't a good trait.

If he would have said it more like "blah blah blah how could I persuade my parents to have x thing" I'm sure the responses would have been different, but as it stands it reads more like "my parents have loads of money so I deserve x thing, I don't want this crappy thing, they just hate me, I wish I was never born! *slams bedroom door*"



Learning how to properly word what you want to say so that you don't come across like an arse is also a good trait to have.

Sure, again, as I said, I'm not sure if this person is in high school or college. I'm talking as a 25ish year old who has been supporting herself for over 5 years, and buying my own "fun" things for ~10 years. When I was 13~20, I didn't really know how to request the things I wanted (other than good grades), so I'm sharing helpful tips that have helped me gain the edge I needed to get ahead in life.

@Pharaoh (edit: is there a link to names on this forum?), I literally can't even at your posts. Saying OPs parents owe them nothing? Frowing at OP "manipulating" their parents? Please. OP didn't ask to exist, OP's parents decided to bring them into this world. At very least they owe OP a roof over their head, education to make the right choices and become a functioning adult. Sure, a phone isn't any of those things, but I highly encourage OP to develop the skills needed to acquire those things even if they don't get them this time around.

Again, like I said, the parents don't necessarily need to bend to OP's will, but it's not in the slightest OP's fault or best interest to bend to the will of those who decided to bring OP into this world.

 

[Pharaoh]

Sure, again, as I said, I'm not sure if this person is in high school or college. I'm talking as a 25ish year old who has been supporting herself for over 5 years, and buying my own "fun" things for ~10 years. When I was 13~20, I didn't really know how to request the things I wanted (other than good grades), so I'm sharing helpful tips that have helped me gain the edge I needed to get ahead in life.

@Pharah, I literally can't even at your posts. Saying OPs parents owe them nothing? Frowing at OP "manipulating" their parents? Please. OP didn't ask to exist, OP's parents decided to bring them into this world. At very least they owe OP a roof over their head, education to make the right choices and become a functioning adult. Sure, a phone isn't any of those things, but I highly encourage OP to develop the skills needed to acquire those things even if they don't get them this time around.

Again, like I said, the parent's don't necessarily need to bend to OP's will, but it's not in the slightest OP's fault or best interest to bend to the will of those who decided to bring OP into this world.

Parents do not owe you the lastest iPhone. Basic necessities? Yes. Emotional support? Yes. Bonding and nurturing? Yes. Money to waste on frivolous expenses? No. That's not what being a parent is, they don't owe you that.

 

[piichinu]

Sure, again, as I said, I'm not sure if this person is in high school or college. I'm talking as a 25ish year old who has been supporting herself for over 5 years, and buying my own "fun" things for ~10 years. When I was 13~20, I didn't really know how to request the things I wanted (other than good grades), so I'm sharing helpful tips that have helped me gain the edge I needed to get ahead in life.

@Pharah, I literally can't even at your posts. Saying OPs parents owe them nothing? Frowing at OP "manipulating" their parents? Please. OP didn't ask to exist, OP's parents decided to bring them into this world. At very least they owe OP a roof over their head, education to make the right choices and become a functioning adult. Sure, a phone isn't any of those things, but I highly encourage OP to develop the skills needed to acquire those things even if they don't get them this time around.

Again, like I said, the parent's don't necessarily need to bend to OP's will, but it's not in the slightest OP's fault or best interest to bend to the will of those who decided to bring OP into this world.

Thank you for saying it, I thought people would tell me a phone is not a necessity so I was too scared to use that argument. you worded it well

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Parents do not owe you the lastest iPhone. Basic necessities? Yes. Emotional support? Yes. Bonding and nurturing? Yes. Money to waste on frivolous expenses? No. That's not what being a parent is, they don't owe you that.

the last part of what soda said. smartphones arent even frivolous, i dont know if youre still in school but now kids are using them all day to look things up and have easy access to the internet. schools are joining social networks and transitioning to extremely high amounts of technology usage. some of my teachers only give us access to worksheets and homework online so we have to check them to see. all the kids with no laptops just get their smartphones out and get the info, it's really great.

 

[Shirohibiki]

we don't know OP's situation so that was just a little thing on the side, just in case.

please forgive me if i am being rude here, but you were not saying that as just a "little thing on the side". you were saying that as full-on advice, telling them to do just that, all the while acknowledging your situations could be different.

just because your parents were abusive does not mean you have to be.

do not fight fire with fire.

that is all i will say. im not trying to be rude, again, im just saying please dont tout that as "a little side thing" when you were very clearly giving them bad advice.

 

[Pharaoh]

Thank you for saying it, I thought people would tell me a phone is not a necessity so I was too scared to use that argument. you worded it well

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the last part of what soda said. phones arent even frivolous, i dont know if youre still in school but now kids are using them all day to look things up and have easy access to the internet.

That is not a valid argument in the slightest. Parents gave birth to you so they owe you excessive expenses for the entirety of your life? You as a child are entitled to the latest iPhone and gaming console and car for the rest of your life because you were born, is that what you're both saying to me? Man sign me up for that deal then.

 

[piichinu]

please forgive me if i am being rude here, but you were not saying that as just a "little thing on the side". you were saying that as full-on advice, telling them to do just that, all the while acknowledging your situations could be different.

just because your parents were abusive does not mean you have to be. honestly OP would know about their situation and would be able to tell if they'd feel bad about being manipulative, it's up to them to decide.

do not fight fire with fire.

that is all i will say. im not trying to be rude, again, im just saying please dont tout that as "a little side thing" when you were very clearly giving them bad advice.

there's nothing wrong with manipulating your parents. sometimes you have to do that.

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That is not a valid argument in the slightest. Parents gave birth to you so they owe you excessive expenses for the entirety of your life? You as a child are entitled to the latest iPhone and gaming console and car for the rest of your life because you were born, is that what you're both saying to me? Man sign me up for that deal then.

"Again, like I said, the parent's don't necessarily need to bend to OP's will, but it's not in the slightest OP's fault or best interest to bend to the will of those who decided to bring OP into this world."

nothing wrong in asking/twisting things a bit to get what you want.

 

[Shirohibiki]

there's nothing wrong with manipulating your parents. sometimes you have to do that.

i suppose we can agree to disagree, then. i dont like manipulating anyone, it feels immoral to me. perhaps our stances are different on this matter.

 

[Soda Fox]

Parents do not owe you the lastest iPhone. Basic necessities? Yes. Emotional support? Yes. Bonding and nurturing? Yes. Money to waste on frivolous expenses? No. That's not what being a parent is, they don't owe you that.

I want to reiterate that I don't think that OP's parents owe them a new frivolous thing (such as a cell phone in the first place), but the point of the thread is arguing the point on a thing that isn't so frivolous now-a-days, I'm just giving OP what they asked for. Opinions on how to best provide the best argument that suited their favor. And it's a favor I happen to encourage, so my arguments happen to stack heavily in favor of OP.

 

[Pharaoh]

there's nothing wrong with manipulating your parents. sometimes you have to do that.

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"Again, like I said, the parent's don't necessarily need to bend to OP's will, but it's not in the slightest OP's fault or best interest to bend to the will of those who decided to bring OP into this world."

nothing wrong in asking/twisting things a bit to get what you want.

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this one, I respect your situation and I understand you personally had to do whatever it is you felt you needed to, but I don't see that as being general advice for every kid who wants their parents to give them something that isn't a necessity. A phone is needed in this day and age, that I DO NOT disagree with, just so we're clear, but it doesn't have to be a new iPhone every year, that's where it's becoming excessive and entitled. That you as a child think your parents OWE you the most expensive of things in the world. That's all I'm getting at here.

 

[Pharaoh]

I want to reiterate that I don't think that OP's parents owe them a new frivolous thing (such as a cell phone in the first place), but the point of the thread is arguing the point on a thing that isn't so frivolous now-a-days, I'm just giving OP what they asked for. Opinions on how to best provide the best argument that suited their favor. And it's a favor I happen to encourage, so my arguments happen to stack heavily in favor of OP.

Soda, like I said, I don't think a phone is NOT a necessity, it is in this day and age, but not the latest iPhone. I'm getting at the excessive entitlement as being what I take issue with here.

 

[piichinu]

Actually, when you buy an older iPhone and install updates Apple does it so your phone barely functions at all. at least that's what happened to me. not sure if other companies do that

 

[Pharaoh]

Actually, when you buy an older iPhone and install updates Apple does it so your phone barely functions at all. at least that's what happened to me. not sure if other companies do that

It would depend on the functionality of it. Does it still make calls and text? I mean, that seems like what's most important. Everything else like internet and apps and all that seems more like added benefits of the iPhone. Maybe it's because people are used to all of that now being a standard in phones nowadays, which is an interesting aspect in itself.

 

[piichinu]

It would depend on the functionality of it. Does it still make calls and text? I mean, that seems like what's most important. Everything else like internet and apps and all that seems more like added benefits of the iPhone. Maybe it's because people are used to all of that now being a standard in phones nowadays, which is an interesting aspect in itself.

on my iphone 5 the calls would crash and texts would take way too long to open up, sometimes up to five minutes. mail app would take an excessive amount of time to load. i use the internet a lot for school and on my old phone after installing a few updates it would keep getting worse with every update so much so that it was barely usable

 

[Pharaoh]

on my iphone 5 the calls would crash and texts would take way too long to open up, sometimes up to five minutes. mail app would take an excessive amount of time to load. i use the internet a lot for school and on my old phone after installing a few updates it would keep getting worse with every update so much so that it was barely usable

I dunno, I was using the iPhone 4 since high school days and it worked just fine for me up until this year, when I dropped it in water, and even then it still functioned decently until the software started glitching out on me finally. I didn't have any issues with it in terms of updating or loading, but all phones are different I guess.

 

[Shimmer]

I think that you should definitely relax and try to think things straight. Ask your parents why they're against the idea of you owning said phone. If it's too expensive, then offer to pay for some/all of it yourself. If still no, then move on. Really, there are other gorgeous phones out there. If they are going to backtrack you down to the old flip phones, wish for something else for your birthday and then buy yourself the phone you want/can afford at another date. That's what I would do. Don't whine, complain, yell or cause a fuss over it. I highly doubt anyone is going to bully you over a phone. They're all too worried over themselves to care.

 

[unravel]

yeah that's totally something you should joke about? i dunno maybe OP wants that phone because they like the appearance of it.

Well yanno you maybe won't believe this but my crazy friend almost got kill herself because she can't get PS4. o.o