Okay, maybe there is still hope for Project Needlemouse...
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If sega really want to revive the franchise they need to market it to people who loved the early games, they've taken the first steps with that character list, but there's still plenty of room to mess up.
It needs to be on Xbox and Playstation only, preferably as a
It needs to be on Xbox and Playstation only, preferably as a
MrCrazyDavis
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Tyeforce said:
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Ok
1.Shadow was awesome
2.Sega *censored.3.0*ED up his image with Shadow the Hedgehog game (good going >.>)
3.Sonic heroes SUCKED. Simple
4. Werehogs and there voice acting sucked
5.The old school sonic as Ciaran said Mega Collection was great.
6.I wanted to end on an even number :3
And yah know, The more I think about it. The more a remake grows on me. Well not a remake of werehogs -_-''''' But a classic remake thats focused like he said on speed.
1.Shadow was awesome
2.Sega *censored.3.0*ED up his image with Shadow the Hedgehog game (good going >.>)
3.Sonic heroes SUCKED. Simple
4. Werehogs and there voice acting sucked
5.The old school sonic as Ciaran said Mega Collection was great.
6.I wanted to end on an even number :3
And yah know, The more I think about it. The more a remake grows on me. Well not a remake of werehogs -_-''''' But a classic remake thats focused like he said on speed.
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Tyeforce
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The only new Sonic games that are really "glitchy" are Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic the Hedgehog '06, and the glitches were just plain fun in the Adventure games. The gameplay is in no way "broken". >_> The games are fun. You know, the whole reason why games were made in the first place? F-U-N?Bulerias said:
So, most of the 3D ones have glitches, according to what you said... also...Tyeforce said:
What? Glitches are the result of poor development. How are they fun? Don't get me wrong, I understand that games are about fun, but damn, none of the 3D ones have aged well. I used to have fun with Adventure 2 Battle waaay back in the day, but it just doesn't hold up. The gameplay elements are dated and sometimes downright moronic -- who wants to hunt emeralds with Knuckles at 1 mile / hour? -- and the Sonic stages are poorly designed. I guess the Tails/Eggman courses were fun, but only barely... the only redeeming part of Adventure 2 Battle was the Chao Garden. And again, it's very dated and underdeveloped when you think about it.
My main gripe with the 3D games is poor level design and unnecessary filler. The hub worlds are pointless, the voice acting is terrible, and considering the poor in-game graphics engine, all the cutscenes look awful. That, and the music... all the rock music is atrocious! Thank God for Sonic Unleashed, they definitely nailed the music in that one... speaking of Unleashed, it seems to be pretty decent from what I've played of it so far... definitely a nice throw-back to the old games.
I can go on a huge rant with just the music. Listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqCKEP1Jx2k
This is harmonically, melodically, and rhythmically interesting. They captured the French style quite nicely, and the way the tune changes keys and textures is refreshing. In contrast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTCVtDV6Yzc
...Yeah. There were some decent tunes in the Adventure games, like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnW8aEAX4w
But I have a feeling they will not age well. They're showing their age already... but Unleashed's music is definitely a step in the right direction.
Edit -- Random fact about the Unleashed tune: the part where the rhythm changes and they modulate the keys is in the flamenco 12 beat rhythm.
Combination of 6/8 and 3/4!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqCKEP1Jx2k
This is harmonically, melodically, and rhythmically interesting. They captured the French style quite nicely, and the way the tune changes keys and textures is refreshing. In contrast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTCVtDV6Yzc
...Yeah. There were some decent tunes in the Adventure games, like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICnW8aEAX4w
But I have a feeling they will not age well. They're showing their age already... but Unleashed's music is definitely a step in the right direction.
Edit -- Random fact about the Unleashed tune: the part where the rhythm changes and they modulate the keys is in the flamenco 12 beat rhythm.
Combination of 6/8 and 3/4!
Tyeforce
Senior Member
There are eight main series home console 3D Sonic games, so I don't know where you're getting "most" from.Bulerias said:
And glitches were fun in the Adventure games. They weren't the kind of glitches that get in the way of gameplay, the were they kind of glitches that you try for hours to pull off for fun, like the black hole glitch in Super Smash Bros. Melee, or the giant Jigglypuff glitch in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. And I don't find the gameplay elements "moronic" at all. Emerald hunting was one of the most fun parts of the Adventure games, in my opinion. And it hasn't dated poorly at all. I can pop in Sonic Adventure 2: Battle and still have as much fun with it as I had when I first played it. Sure, the graphics may not be up to the standards of today, but that doesn't impact the fun you can have with it at all.
The levels aren't designed poorly, nor are they full of filler... I love the levels of 3D Sonic games, much more so than 2D ones. There's more depth and fun to them. The voices aren't terrible, they're just fine. I love most of the 4Kids voices. There are a few that are a bit off, but it doesn't ruin the game or anything. The cutscenes look fine, especially the CG ones. Also, newsflash for you, graphics aren't everything. And the music... The music is my absolute favorite part of Sonic games. I love Crush 40. Just because it's not your kind of music doesn't mean it's bad. It is in no way "atrocious". >_>
I'm not going to reply to the rest of your post because you said you "love most of the 4Kids voices" -- automatic fail in my book -- but I do have to call you out on the music. There's very little harmonic and rhythmic interest. The lyrics are asinine and don't make sense out of the game's context. The only redeeming quality about most of the soundtrack is melody... and again... the melodies are catchy, relying on simple "hooks". Which is a sign of weak song-writing. I dunno. There's just not much musical depth/substance, you know what I mean? Especially compared to the Unleashed soundtrack...
And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against rock music... I love stuff like King Crimson, The Beatles, etc... but I don't see what's so great about musically uninteresting noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xld2JtbMwHg
I mean, maybe this is nice for head-banging...
And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against rock music... I love stuff like King Crimson, The Beatles, etc... but I don't see what's so great about musically uninteresting noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xld2JtbMwHg
I mean, maybe this is nice for head-banging...
Tyeforce
Senior Member
Okay, I know that you're a musician yourself and you know a lot about music, but there's something you're forgetting... People like music because they like it, not because it's better in some technical way. See, there's this thing called taste. People have different tastes and opinions when it comes to music. You can't say that someone's opinion is wrong. Crush 40 is my favorite band. Why? Because I like their music. It's just my type of music. It may not be your type, but that doesn't make it bad. It's catchy, upbeat, and fun to listen to. What's so bad about that? Who cares if it has extensive depth or whatever? That doesn't matter. All that matters is if you like it or not. And I do like the music Unleashed, especially the main theme (Endless Possibility). I love the full orchestra music. I don't put it any higher than Crush 40's music, though. There are things about each that I like.Bulerias said:
And as for the voices, they're not that bad. I know when people think of 4Kids they automatically think "fail", and I'll agree with you that most of their work is utter crap to me, too, but their voice acting in the games isn't that bad. It's much better than their work on Sonic X.
OK. I understand that taste is subjective. But taste needs to be based on something, not just a random "I like this" or "I hate that". I'm really sorry if I'm coming off as a snob, but I can't listen to anything that doesn't have musical interest. I mean, a catchy tune is nice for occasional listening...but...that's about it. Notice how there are tons of people who say "I used to like *insert band/artist here*, but I don't now". And why is that?
Because the music has no lasting value. It seems good at a certain point in time but it's never going to stand up to anything else in the long run. I'm not saying everybody should compare their music with Beethoven's 9th and trash their compositions if they're not up there with Ludvig Van, but there should be at least some interesting harmonies, rhythms, and melodies... I dunno.
Because the music has no lasting value. It seems good at a certain point in time but it's never going to stand up to anything else in the long run. I'm not saying everybody should compare their music with Beethoven's 9th and trash their compositions if they're not up there with Ludvig Van, but there should be at least some interesting harmonies, rhythms, and melodies... I dunno.
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