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[Fanghorn]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

 

[Propaganda Man]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

She doesn't seem to do a great job of it :/

Did she make up anything at all in these books >.<

 

[Bulerias]

And guys...

OH MY GOD?!

HAPPY ENDING? The ending to the Harry Potter saga is ANYTHING but "happily-ever-after". Don't you understand how much suffering he had to go through? He'll never be happy, not even with a fantastic wife, children that he loves and that love him, and tons of close friends. He'll be miserable!

I doubt it. He is going to have a happy life : D

No way. He's suffered so much that it's impossible to be truly happy. He'll always have that weight sagging him down...

Nuh uh, Harry gets what he wants. Its not like he lost anyone he knew a lot about.

You're kidding, right?

He lost his father and mother.
He lost his godfather.
He lost Dumbledore.

Aaaand... He lost tons of people in Deathly Hallows that I don't want to mention to avoid spoilers. Really, how is that not a huge loss that stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

Of course, you can compare it to real-life deaths of loved ones, but this is different. He ventured with these people, they risked their lives for him... And they all died for him. How is that knowledge going to make him happy?

The people you listed were people he didn't know a lot about.

You need to read the final book and see how he... learns about them.

But dude, this makes it even more important to him. They were the ONLY RELATIONS HE HAD, and they all died... So the fact that he did not know about them and did not have the time to ask them various things only makes their deaths THAT much worse!

 

[Propaganda Man]

And guys...

OH MY GOD?!

HAPPY ENDING? The ending to the Harry Potter saga is ANYTHING but "happily-ever-after". Don't you understand how much suffering he had to go through? He'll never be happy, not even with a fantastic wife, children that he loves and that love him, and tons of close friends. He'll be miserable!

I doubt it. He is going to have a happy life : D

No way. He's suffered so much that it's impossible to be truly happy. He'll always have that weight sagging him down...

Nuh uh, Harry gets what he wants. Its not like he lost anyone he knew a lot about.

You're kidding, right?

He lost his father and mother.
He lost his godfather.
He lost Dumbledore.

Aaaand... He lost tons of people in Deathly Hallows that I don't want to mention to avoid spoilers. Really, how is that not a huge loss that stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

Of course, you can compare it to real-life deaths of loved ones, but this is different. He ventured with these people, they risked their lives for him... And they all died for him. How is that knowledge going to make him happy?

The people you listed were people he didn't know a lot about.

You need to read the final book and see how he... learns about them.

But dude, this makes it even more important to him. They were the ONLY RELATIONS HE HAD, and they all died... So the fact that he did not know about them and did not have the time to ask them various things only makes their deaths THAT much worse!

No, it just meant he didn't know them. If he were a man he'd hang on to his friend's lives more than his if he has it so hard.

 

[Bulerias]

And guys...

OH MY GOD?!

HAPPY ENDING? The ending to the Harry Potter saga is ANYTHING but "happily-ever-after". Don't you understand how much suffering he had to go through? He'll never be happy, not even with a fantastic wife, children that he loves and that love him, and tons of close friends. He'll be miserable!

I doubt it. He is going to have a happy life : D

No way. He's suffered so much that it's impossible to be truly happy. He'll always have that weight sagging him down...

Nuh uh, Harry gets what he wants. Its not like he lost anyone he knew a lot about.

You're kidding, right?

He lost his father and mother.
He lost his godfather.
He lost Dumbledore.

Aaaand... He lost tons of people in Deathly Hallows that I don't want to mention to avoid spoilers. Really, how is that not a huge loss that stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

Of course, you can compare it to real-life deaths of loved ones, but this is different. He ventured with these people, they risked their lives for him... And they all died for him. How is that knowledge going to make him happy?

The people you listed were people he didn't know a lot about.

You need to read the final book and see how he... learns about them.

But dude, this makes it even more important to him. They were the ONLY RELATIONS HE HAD, and they all died... So the fact that he did not know about them and did not have the time to ask them various things only makes their deaths THAT much worse!

No, it just meant he didn't know them. If he were a man he'd hang on to his friend's lives more than his if he has it so hard.

You do realize that hanging onto his parents lives at age 1 was impossible?
You do realize that hanging onto Sirius's life was impossible when he was bombarded from all sides by Avada Kedavra curses?
You do realize that hanging onto Dumbeldore's life was impossible because Harry was immobilized?

 

[Propaganda Man]

And guys...

OH MY GOD?!

HAPPY ENDING? The ending to the Harry Potter saga is ANYTHING but "happily-ever-after". Don't you understand how much suffering he had to go through? He'll never be happy, not even with a fantastic wife, children that he loves and that love him, and tons of close friends. He'll be miserable!

I doubt it. He is going to have a happy life : D

No way. He's suffered so much that it's impossible to be truly happy. He'll always have that weight sagging him down...

Nuh uh, Harry gets what he wants. Its not like he lost anyone he knew a lot about.

You're kidding, right?

He lost his father and mother.
He lost his godfather.
He lost Dumbledore.

Aaaand... He lost tons of people in Deathly Hallows that I don't want to mention to avoid spoilers. Really, how is that not a huge loss that stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

Of course, you can compare it to real-life deaths of loved ones, but this is different. He ventured with these people, they risked their lives for him... And they all died for him. How is that knowledge going to make him happy?

The people you listed were people he didn't know a lot about.

You need to read the final book and see how he... learns about them.

But dude, this makes it even more important to him. They were the ONLY RELATIONS HE HAD, and they all died... So the fact that he did not know about them and did not have the time to ask them various things only makes their deaths THAT much worse!

No, it just meant he didn't know them. If he were a man he'd hang on to his friend's lives more than his if he has it so hard.

You do realize that hanging onto his parents lives at age 1 was impossible?
You do realize that hanging onto Sirius's life was impossible when he was bombarded from all sides by Avada Kedavra curses?
You do realize that hanging onto Dumbeldore's life was impossible because Harry was immobilized?

I'm talking about Ron and Hermione.

You do realize that?

 

[Bulerias]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

It's not when you die. Let's look at dementors, for example. They suck out the good thoughts and happiness out of you, right? There are REAL dementors out there, man, people I have the displeasure of being around sometimes.

You can laugh at me, but I am 100% serious.

http://healing.about.com/cs/energyhealing/a/aa_vampires.htm

 

[Bulerias]

And guys...

OH MY GOD?!

HAPPY ENDING? The ending to the Harry Potter saga is ANYTHING but "happily-ever-after". Don't you understand how much suffering he had to go through? He'll never be happy, not even with a fantastic wife, children that he loves and that love him, and tons of close friends. He'll be miserable!

I doubt it. He is going to have a happy life : D

No way. He's suffered so much that it's impossible to be truly happy. He'll always have that weight sagging him down...

Nuh uh, Harry gets what he wants. Its not like he lost anyone he knew a lot about.

You're kidding, right?

He lost his father and mother.
He lost his godfather.
He lost Dumbledore.

Aaaand... He lost tons of people in Deathly Hallows that I don't want to mention to avoid spoilers. Really, how is that not a huge loss that stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

Of course, you can compare it to real-life deaths of loved ones, but this is different. He ventured with these people, they risked their lives for him... And they all died for him. How is that knowledge going to make him happy?

The people you listed were people he didn't know a lot about.

You need to read the final book and see how he... learns about them.

But dude, this makes it even more important to him. They were the ONLY RELATIONS HE HAD, and they all died... So the fact that he did not know about them and did not have the time to ask them various things only makes their deaths THAT much worse!

No, it just meant he didn't know them. If he were a man he'd hang on to his friend's lives more than his if he has it so hard.

You do realize that hanging onto his parents lives at age 1 was impossible?
You do realize that hanging onto Sirius's life was impossible when he was bombarded from all sides by Avada Kedavra curses?
You do realize that hanging onto Dumbeldore's life was impossible because Harry was immobilized?

I'm talking about Ron and Hermione.

You do realize that?

Uhm... They don't die. D:

 

[Propaganda Man]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

It's not when you die. Let's look at dementors, for example. They suck out the good thoughts and happiness out of you, right? There are REAL dementors out there, man, people I have the displeasure of being around sometimes.

You can laugh at me, but I am 100% serious.

http://healing.about.com/cs/energyhealing/a/aa_vampires.htm

Thats emo


:huh:

 

[Propaganda Man]

And guys...

OH MY GOD?!

HAPPY ENDING? The ending to the Harry Potter saga is ANYTHING but "happily-ever-after". Don't you understand how much suffering he had to go through? He'll never be happy, not even with a fantastic wife, children that he loves and that love him, and tons of close friends. He'll be miserable!

I doubt it. He is going to have a happy life : D

No way. He's suffered so much that it's impossible to be truly happy. He'll always have that weight sagging him down...

Nuh uh, Harry gets what he wants. Its not like he lost anyone he knew a lot about.

You're kidding, right?

He lost his father and mother.
He lost his godfather.
He lost Dumbledore.

Aaaand... He lost tons of people in Deathly Hallows that I don't want to mention to avoid spoilers. Really, how is that not a huge loss that stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

Of course, you can compare it to real-life deaths of loved ones, but this is different. He ventured with these people, they risked their lives for him... And they all died for him. How is that knowledge going to make him happy?

The people you listed were people he didn't know a lot about.

You need to read the final book and see how he... learns about them.

But dude, this makes it even more important to him. They were the ONLY RELATIONS HE HAD, and they all died... So the fact that he did not know about them and did not have the time to ask them various things only makes their deaths THAT much worse!

No, it just meant he didn't know them. If he were a man he'd hang on to his friend's lives more than his if he has it so hard.

You do realize that hanging onto his parents lives at age 1 was impossible?
You do realize that hanging onto Sirius's life was impossible when he was bombarded from all sides by Avada Kedavra curses?
You do realize that hanging onto Dumbeldore's life was impossible because Harry was immobilized?

I'm talking about Ron and Hermione.

You do realize that?

Uhm... They don't die. D:

Not yet

 

[Bulerias]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

It's not when you die. Let's look at dementors, for example. They suck out the good thoughts and happiness out of you, right? There are REAL dementors out there, man, people I have the displeasure of being around sometimes.

You can laugh at me, but I am 100% serious.

http://healing.about.com/cs/energyhealing/a/aa_vampires.htm

Thats emo


:huh:

It's real, believe it or not.

 

[Propaganda Man]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

It's not when you die. Let's look at dementors, for example. They suck out the good thoughts and happiness out of you, right? There are REAL dementors out there, man, people I have the displeasure of being around sometimes.

You can laugh at me, but I am 100% serious.

http://healing.about.com/cs/energyhealing/a/aa_vampires.htm

Thats emo


:huh:

It's real, believe it or not.

What is? Spirits?

 

[Bulerias]

And guys...

OH MY GOD?!

HAPPY ENDING? The ending to the Harry Potter saga is ANYTHING but "happily-ever-after". Don't you understand how much suffering he had to go through? He'll never be happy, not even with a fantastic wife, children that he loves and that love him, and tons of close friends. He'll be miserable!

I doubt it. He is going to have a happy life : D

No way. He's suffered so much that it's impossible to be truly happy. He'll always have that weight sagging him down...

Nuh uh, Harry gets what he wants. Its not like he lost anyone he knew a lot about.

You're kidding, right?

He lost his father and mother.
He lost his godfather.
He lost Dumbledore.

Aaaand... He lost tons of people in Deathly Hallows that I don't want to mention to avoid spoilers. Really, how is that not a huge loss that stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

Of course, you can compare it to real-life deaths of loved ones, but this is different. He ventured with these people, they risked their lives for him... And they all died for him. How is that knowledge going to make him happy?

The people you listed were people he didn't know a lot about.

You need to read the final book and see how he... learns about them.

But dude, this makes it even more important to him. They were the ONLY RELATIONS HE HAD, and they all died... So the fact that he did not know about them and did not have the time to ask them various things only makes their deaths THAT much worse!

No, it just meant he didn't know them. If he were a man he'd hang on to his friend's lives more than his if he has it so hard.

You do realize that hanging onto his parents lives at age 1 was impossible?
You do realize that hanging onto Sirius's life was impossible when he was bombarded from all sides by Avada Kedavra curses?
You do realize that hanging onto Dumbeldore's life was impossible because Harry was immobilized?

I'm talking about Ron and Hermione.

You do realize that?

Uhm... They don't die. D:

Not yet

Uhm... She's not gonna write any more books after the 7th one, and if she DOES (the chances are really low), they'll be about Harry's kids... and Ron + Hermione's kids.

 

[Bulerias]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

It's not when you die. Let's look at dementors, for example. They suck out the good thoughts and happiness out of you, right? There are REAL dementors out there, man, people I have the displeasure of being around sometimes.

You can laugh at me, but I am 100% serious.

http://healing.about.com/cs/energyhealing/a/aa_vampires.htm

Thats emo


:huh:

It's real, believe it or not.

What is? Spirits?

Energy suckers. I've experienced it, so has my mom...

 

[Propaganda Man]

And guys...

OH MY GOD?!

HAPPY ENDING? The ending to the Harry Potter saga is ANYTHING but "happily-ever-after". Don't you understand how much suffering he had to go through? He'll never be happy, not even with a fantastic wife, children that he loves and that love him, and tons of close friends. He'll be miserable!

I doubt it. He is going to have a happy life : D

No way. He's suffered so much that it's impossible to be truly happy. He'll always have that weight sagging him down...

Nuh uh, Harry gets what he wants. Its not like he lost anyone he knew a lot about.

You're kidding, right?

He lost his father and mother.
He lost his godfather.
He lost Dumbledore.

Aaaand... He lost tons of people in Deathly Hallows that I don't want to mention to avoid spoilers. Really, how is that not a huge loss that stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

Of course, you can compare it to real-life deaths of loved ones, but this is different. He ventured with these people, they risked their lives for him... And they all died for him. How is that knowledge going to make him happy?

The people you listed were people he didn't know a lot about.

You need to read the final book and see how he... learns about them.

But dude, this makes it even more important to him. They were the ONLY RELATIONS HE HAD, and they all died... So the fact that he did not know about them and did not have the time to ask them various things only makes their deaths THAT much worse!

No, it just meant he didn't know them. If he were a man he'd hang on to his friend's lives more than his if he has it so hard.

You do realize that hanging onto his parents lives at age 1 was impossible?
You do realize that hanging onto Sirius's life was impossible when he was bombarded from all sides by Avada Kedavra curses?
You do realize that hanging onto Dumbeldore's life was impossible because Harry was immobilized?

I'm talking about Ron and Hermione.

You do realize that?

Uhm... They don't die. D:

Not yet

Uhm... She's not gonna write any more books after the 7th one, and if she DOES (the chances are really low), they'll be about Harry's kids... and Ron + Hermione's kids.

So you finished it

 

[Propaganda Man]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

It's not when you die. Let's look at dementors, for example. They suck out the good thoughts and happiness out of you, right? There are REAL dementors out there, man, people I have the displeasure of being around sometimes.

You can laugh at me, but I am 100% serious.

http://healing.about.com/cs/energyhealing/a/aa_vampires.htm

Thats emo


:huh:

It's real, believe it or not.

What is? Spirits?

Energy suckers. I've experienced it, so has my mom...

You mean people?

 

[Bulerias]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

It's not when you die. Let's look at dementors, for example. They suck out the good thoughts and happiness out of you, right? There are REAL dementors out there, man, people I have the displeasure of being around sometimes.

You can laugh at me, but I am 100% serious.

http://healing.about.com/cs/energyhealing/a/aa_vampires.htm

Thats emo


:huh:

It's real, believe it or not.

What is? Spirits?

Energy suckers. I've experienced it, so has my mom...

You mean people?

Yes, people that suck energy out of other people...

And no, I did not finish the book, I just looked at the epilogue. >_>

 

[Propaganda Man]

Hm yeah.

Oh and another thing i wanna bring up, JK has been reading her history books.

The situation of the Death eaters following he-Who-Must-Not-Be-namedplays out just like the rising of nazi germany following hitler. First, everythings hush hush, until they have enough power to take over the government, and then controlling the government. Then, the rounding up and exterimation of mudbloods is treated JUST how nazi germany treated the jews.

If you can't see the relation your ignorant.

I was also thinking about that, but I am under the impression that J.K. Rowling meant to have a more... supernatural edge to her books. Really, now. Death Eaters and dementors are NOT entirely fictional, did you know that? Nor is the fact that when you die, your soul remains, like Hermione wisely pointed out in an earlier chapter in the 7th book...

Rowling really meant to have a lot of supernatural meaning in these books.

Hm. Who knows what happenens when you die?


I only want to find out when it happens

It's not when you die. Let's look at dementors, for example. They suck out the good thoughts and happiness out of you, right? There are REAL dementors out there, man, people I have the displeasure of being around sometimes.

You can laugh at me, but I am 100% serious.

http://healing.about.com/cs/energyhealing/a/aa_vampires.htm

Thats emo


:huh:

It's real, believe it or not.

What is? Spirits?

Energy suckers. I've experienced it, so has my mom...

You mean people?

Yes, people that suck energy out of other people...

And no, I did not finish the book, I just looked at the epilogue. >_>

Wow, so the book classifies what people do to other people. I mean, its not something that is rare. Every time Dick Cheny looks into my eyes I feel my soul being searched and violated.

Cheater


They still die btw.

 

[dragonflamez]

Expecto Patronum!

 

[DarthGohan1]

I woke up really late this morning, and I had to go to work, so I'm only on chapter 28.