New Sonic Colors Trailer, Box Art, and Release Date

[Ciaran]

I never said that my liking the song means that it's not bad, but it's not bad music.

Huh? You're misunderstanding the point, again (what is this, the fifth or sixth time?). If a piece of music is derivative, it is unoriginal. If it is unoriginal, it doesn't have lasting value. And if it doesn't have lasting value, guess what -- it isn't any good. But you're still entitled to your opinion, and if you like it, that's cool. It's just a question of musical standards...you're saying it's not crap, well, I'm saying it is. Undeniably. It has no musical merit. If you dig it, fine. That's the intuitive appeal I was talking about. But please, don't try to defend it musically.

Okay, I'm fine with you saying that it may be derivative, and that it may not be as good as other music from a technical point of view, but don't *censored.3.0*ing tell me that it doesn't have lasting value, because its value has lasted nearly ten years for me, and it's not going to fade anytime soon. Value is subjective. You have no authority to dictate how other people value music, no matter how musically talented you are.

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This is a video of you playing the ocarina out of tune (somehow). With notes in front of you.


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Now here's Bulerias playing a piece he composed himself.


In any music arguement you can possibly imagine, Bul wins.(save for maybe which volume Crush 40 sounds best at or some piece of trivial Fangirl crap akin to that)

 

[Tyeforce]

I never said that my liking the song means that it's not bad, but it's not bad music.

Huh? You're misunderstanding the point, again (what is this, the fifth or sixth time?). If a piece of music is derivative, it is unoriginal. If it is unoriginal, it doesn't have lasting value. And if it doesn't have lasting value, guess what -- it isn't any good. But you're still entitled to your opinion, and if you like it, that's cool. It's just a question of musical standards...you're saying it's not crap, well, I'm saying it is. Undeniably. It has no musical merit. If you dig it, fine. That's the intuitive appeal I was talking about. But please, don't try to defend it musically.

Okay, I'm fine with you saying that it may be derivative, and that it may not be as good as other music from a technical point of view, but don't *censored.3.0*ing tell me that it doesn't have lasting value, because its value has lasted nearly ten years for me, and it's not going to fade anytime soon. Value is subjective. You have no authority to dictate how other people value music, no matter how musically talented you are.

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This is a video of you playing the ocarina out of tune (somehow). With notes in front of you.


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Now here's Bulerias playing a piece he composed himself.


In any music arguement you can possibly imagine, Bul wins.(save for maybe which volume Crush 40 sounds best at or some piece of trivial Fangirl crap akin to that)

I'm well aware that I'm not nearly as musically talented as Bul, thank you very much. But I don't have to be musically talented to know that lasting value is completely subjective, and no matter how musically talented you are, you can't dictate how others value music.

 

[Bulerias]

I never said that my liking the song means that it's not bad, but it's not bad music.

Huh? You're misunderstanding the point, again (what is this, the fifth or sixth time?). If a piece of music is derivative, it is unoriginal. If it is unoriginal, it doesn't have lasting value. And if it doesn't have lasting value, guess what -- it isn't any good. But you're still entitled to your opinion, and if you like it, that's cool. It's just a question of musical standards...you're saying it's not crap, well, I'm saying it is. Undeniably. It has no musical merit. If you dig it, fine. That's the intuitive appeal I was talking about. But please, don't try to defend it musically.

Okay, I'm fine with you saying that it may be derivative, and that it may not be as good as other music from a technical point of view, but don't *censored.3.0*ing tell me that it doesn't have lasting value, because its value has lasted nearly ten years for me, and it's not going to fade anytime soon. Value is subjective. You have no authority to dictate how other people value music, no matter how musically talented you are.

I don't understand if you're purposely ignoring what I'm talking about or what...lasting value is not subjective by definition. I'm talking about lasting value on a broad basis. We all know Bach but we sure as hell don't know about a lot of his contemporaries. I don't care what YOU find to have lasting value, this was never the point of this conversation. The point I made was on a universal level. This music is 1) derivative, 2) harmonically and melodically dull -- we've established these points already -- and thus 3) has no lasting value. Not to you personally, but in the grand scheme of things. The point I'm attempting to drive home is that I try to listen to music that has lasting value because, chances are, if it doesn't, then it's not worth listening to. If you're at a point where you enjoy this kind of music, more power to you, dude. But just be aware that there is cooler stuff out there. That's it. Don't take offense when I refer to it as a "phase", either, because that's not necessarily a negative thing. "Phases", for example, can also refer to listening to rock first, then to psychedelic rock, then to heavy metal, etc...you like different things at different points in your life, some better and some worse. No need to get worked up about it, man. I am also not dictating how others value music. You can listen to Soulja Boy for all I care. But please don't misunderstand my point -- I mean lasting value on a universal level.

 

[Jas0n]

I don't understand if you're purposely ignoring what I'm talking about or what...

I find Tye always does this, he ignores any points he can't argue.

 

[Bulerias]

I don't understand if you're purposely ignoring what I'm talking about or what...

I find Tye always does this, he ignores any points he can't argue.

Yup. I'm done here. I don't know if it's possible to dumb down my argument any further.

 

[Ciaran]

I don't understand if you're purposely ignoring what I'm talking about or what...

I find Tye always does this, he ignores any points he can't argue.

And then inserts his usual thing about being aloud to have his own opinions on things, and how you shouldnt bash things he likes etc. etc. and how no-one understands his Godly, all knowing way of viewing things.

 

[Entei Slider]

I don't understand if you're purposely ignoring what I'm talking about or what...

I find Tye always does this, he ignores any points he can't argue.

And then inserts his usual thing about being aloud to have his own opinions on things, and how you shouldnt bash things he likes etc. etc. and how no-one understands his Godly, all knowing way of viewing things.

Damn I love this forum...

 

[Tyeforce]

I never said that my liking the song means that it's not bad, but it's not bad music.

Huh? You're misunderstanding the point, again (what is this, the fifth or sixth time?). If a piece of music is derivative, it is unoriginal. If it is unoriginal, it doesn't have lasting value. And if it doesn't have lasting value, guess what -- it isn't any good. But you're still entitled to your opinion, and if you like it, that's cool. It's just a question of musical standards...you're saying it's not crap, well, I'm saying it is. Undeniably. It has no musical merit. If you dig it, fine. That's the intuitive appeal I was talking about. But please, don't try to defend it musically.

Okay, I'm fine with you saying that it may be derivative, and that it may not be as good as other music from a technical point of view, but don't *censored.3.0*ing tell me that it doesn't have lasting value, because its value has lasted nearly ten years for me, and it's not going to fade anytime soon. Value is subjective. You have no authority to dictate how other people value music, no matter how musically talented you are.

I don't understand if you're purposely ignoring what I'm talking about or what...lasting value is not subjective by definition. I'm talking about lasting value on a broad basis. We all know Bach but we sure as hell don't know about a lot of his contemporaries. I don't care what YOU find to have lasting value, this was never the point of this conversation. The point I made was on a universal level. This music is 1) derivative, 2) harmonically and melodically dull -- we've established these points already -- and thus 3) has no lasting value. Not to you personally, but in the grand scheme of things. The point I'm attempting to drive home is that I try to listen to music that has lasting value because, chances are, if it doesn't, then it's not worth listening to. If you're at a point where you enjoy this kind of music, more power to you, dude. But just be aware that there is cooler stuff out there. That's it. Don't take offense when I refer to it as a "phase", either, because that's not necessarily a negative thing. "Phases", for example, can also refer to listening to rock first, then to psychedelic rock, then to heavy metal, etc...you like different things at different points in your life, some better and some worse. No need to get worked up about it, man. I am also not dictating how others value music. You can listen to Soulja Boy for all I care. But please don't misunderstand my point -- I mean lasting value on a universal level.

I'm not ignoring your points at all. I've acknowledged that you know what you're talking about when it comes to music, and I know you're looking at things from a technical level. Still, you're flat out calling the music I listen to "crap", which I do take offense to. You're insulting my taste in music. Okay, maybe you're not insulting my taste in music, but you are insulting the music itself. I don't insult your music, do I? No. I certainly don't like your type of music, but I don't go around calling it "downright atrocious", even if that was what I believed. This whole argument would have never started if you hadn't taken that ignorant jab at Sonic music.

 

[David]

And what's with the drum work for half the song?? it sounds like an autistic kid is repeatedly slamming the drum.

 

[Callie]

This looks pretty good but I'll probably pass. Or wait a while so it'll get cheaper.

 

[Mr. L]

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Okay, that's *censored.3.0*ing it. I've had it with people like you who think that. WHO'S GODDAMN OPINION AM I NOT ACCEPTING?!

Miranda's.

What do you mean? If you mean her opinion that I don't accept other people's opinions, of course I don't accept that, because it's a false opinion. She can think that that's the truth all she wants, but it's not true at all.

You do kind of not accept people's opinions sometimes :/......

 

[Ciaran]

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Miranda's.

What do you mean? If you mean her opinion that I don't accept other people's opinions, of course I don't accept that, because it's a false opinion. She can think that that's the truth all she wants, but it's not true at all.

You do kind of not accept people's opinions sometimes :/......

He's a lost cause, you'd be better talking to a brick wall, because they don't spurt out the same *censored.2.0* constantly and provide insulation, which make them a million times more useful and less annoying than Tye.

 

[Mr. L]

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What do you mean? If you mean her opinion that I don't accept other people's opinions, of course I don't accept that, because it's a false opinion. She can think that that's the truth all she wants, but it's not true at all.

You do kind of not accept people's opinions sometimes :/......

He's a lost cause, you'd be better talking to a brick wall, because they don't spurt out the same *censored.2.0* constantly and provide insulation, which make them a million times more useful and less annoying than Tye.

Yeah, Tye could be really annoying, a lot.

 

[Tyeforce]

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Miranda's.

What do you mean? If you mean her opinion that I don't accept other people's opinions, of course I don't accept that, because it's a false opinion. She can think that that's the truth all she wants, but it's not true at all.

You do kind of not accept people's opinions sometimes :/......

No, I always accept them. But then people expect me to change my own opinions to match theirs, which isn't going to happen. That doesn't mean that I'm not accepting their opinions, though.

 

[Ciaran]

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What do you mean? If you mean her opinion that I don't accept other people's opinions, of course I don't accept that, because it's a false opinion. She can think that that's the truth all she wants, but it's not true at all.

You do kind of not accept people's opinions sometimes :/......

No, I always accept them. But then people expect me to change my own opinions to match theirs, which isn't going to happen. That doesn't mean that I'm not accepting their opinions, though.

O.K Tye, whatever you say. :3 *ruffles hair*


Kids these days, eh??

 

[David]

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You do kind of not accept people's opinions sometimes :/......

No, I always accept them. But then people expect me to change my own opinions to match theirs, which isn't going to happen. That doesn't mean that I'm not accepting their opinions, though.

O.K Tye, whatever you say. :3 *ruffles hair*


Kids these days, eh??

I find it funny how he's actually older than the majority of people on this forum. Yet he's got the mind of a brainwashed 13 year old fanboy.

 

[Ciaran]

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No, I always accept them. But then people expect me to change my own opinions to match theirs, which isn't going to happen. That doesn't mean that I'm not accepting their opinions, though.

O.K Tye, whatever you say. :3 *ruffles hair*


Kids these days, eh??

I find it funny how he's actually older than the majority of people on this forum. Yet he's got the mind of a brainwashed 13 year old fanboy.

Exactly, if he acts like a child, I'm going to treat him like a child.

 

[Mr. L]

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What do you mean? If you mean her opinion that I don't accept other people's opinions, of course I don't accept that, because it's a false opinion. She can think that that's the truth all she wants, but it's not true at all.

You do kind of not accept people's opinions sometimes :/......

No, I always accept them. But then people expect me to change my own opinions to match theirs, which isn't going to happen. That doesn't mean that I'm not accepting their opinions, though.

Well you're not accepting mine right now >:l, and also, you don't accept most people opinions, you just attack them like how David said, a brainwashed fan boy.

 

[Tyeforce]

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You do kind of not accept people's opinions sometimes :/......

No, I always accept them. But then people expect me to change my own opinions to match theirs, which isn't going to happen. That doesn't mean that I'm not accepting their opinions, though.

Well you're not accepting mine right now >:l, and also, you don't accept most people opinions, you just attack them like how David said, a brainwashed fan boy.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. What opinion of yours am I not accepting? And don't say "the opinion that you don't accept other people's opinions", because that's not an opinion, it's a statement, and a false one at that. And I'm not attacking David's opinions at all, unlike he is mine. I'm not getting on his case for playing M-rated games. If those are the games he likes, then so be it. This argument isn't about that, it's about what makes an M-rated game an M-rated game, and he believes that it's the deep stories, which, by definition, is wrong. No attacking of opinions from my side at all.

 

[Ciaran]

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No, I always accept them. But then people expect me to change my own opinions to match theirs, which isn't going to happen. That doesn't mean that I'm not accepting their opinions, though.

Well you're not accepting mine right now >:l, and also, you don't accept most people opinions, you just attack them like how David said, a brainwashed fan boy.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. What opinion of yours am I not accepting? And don't say "the opinion that you don't accept other people's opinions", because that's not an opinion, it's a statement, and a false one at that. And I'm not attacking David's opinions at all, unlike he is mine. I'm not getting on his case for playing M-rated games. If those are the games he likes, then so be it. This argument isn't about that, it's about what makes an M-rated game an M-rated game, and he believes that it's the deep stories, which, by definition, is wrong. No attacking of opinions from my side at all.

No he doesn't, he just said that you're more likely to have a better story in an M-rated game.

Once again, your lack of ability to comprehend things on a basic level is startling.


:3. But it's ok, because you dont need to understand people to stack shelves at a toy shop :3 You're doing very good, Tye. *ruffles hair some more. :3 :3