New Sonic Colors Trailer, Box Art, and Release Date

[Ciaran]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepalwaysdon't

They're rated MATURE because their stories go beyond saving a princess

And INTO deep stories about war, death, relationships, murder, mystery, depression and so much more. Read between the lines. You're 4 years older than me and even I could figure out what he meant.

A game doesn't have to be M-rated to deal with those types of stories, you know. They just can't have the same amount of violence and swearing and such, which doesn't make the story anyway.

Give me an example of a critically acclaimed game that deals with each of those issues that has a rating lower than M.

And if a developer wants to make a truly bold statement about something, violence and swearing help immerse the player in the gritty world.

 

[-Aaron]

@Tye: Sometimes the blood and swearing helps.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Cp2gCw6A_3A

 

[//RUN.exe]

@Tye: Sometimes the blood and swearing helps.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Cp2gCw6A_3A

so wait

in a discussion about mature and deep stories

you bring up no more heroes 2?

i love the game but even i think that's *censored.3.0*in' stupid :v

 

[Bulerias]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepbad

Okay, I'm fine with you saying that it may be derivative, and that it may not be as good as other music from a technical point of view, but don't *censored.3.0*ing tell me that it doesn't have lasting value, because its value has lasted nearly ten years for me, and it's not going to fade anytime soon. Value is subjective. You have no authority to dictate how other people value music, no matter how musically talented you are.

I don't understand if you're purposely ignoring what I'm talking about or what...lasting value is not subjective by definition. I'm talking about lasting value on a broad basis. We all know Bach but we sure as hell don't know about a lot of his contemporaries. I don't care what YOU find to have lasting value, this was never the point of this conversation. The point I made was on a universal level. This music is 1) derivative, 2) harmonically and melodically dull -- we've established these points already -- and thus 3) has no lasting value. Not to you personally, but in the grand scheme of things. The point I'm attempting to drive home is that I try to listen to music that has lasting value because, chances are, if it doesn't, then it's not worth listening to. If you're at a point where you enjoy this kind of music, more power to you, dude. But just be aware that there is cooler stuff out there. That's it. Don't take offense when I refer to it as a "phase", either, because that's not necessarily a negative thing. "Phases", for example, can also refer to listening to rock first, then to psychedelic rock, then to heavy metal, etc...you like different things at different points in your life, some better and some worse. No need to get worked up about it, man. I am also not dictating how others value music. You can listen to Soulja Boy for all I care. But please don't misunderstand my point -- I mean lasting value on a universal level.

I'm not ignoring your points at all. I've acknowledged that you know what you're talking about when it comes to music, and I know you're looking at things from a technical level. Still, you're flat out calling the music I listen to "crap", which I do take offense to. You're insulting my taste in music. Okay, maybe you're not insulting my taste in music, but you are insulting the music itself. I don't insult your music, do I? No. I certainly don't like your type of music, but I don't go around calling it "downright atrocious", even if that was what I believed. This whole argument would have never started if you hadn't taken that ignorant jab at Sonic music.

OK, I'm going to tell you what I think outright. You don't have the capacity to call my music "downright atrocious" because you have no *censored.3.0*ing idea what constitutes technically interesting music. You like music because you do, plain and simple, and I have no problem with that. You're right, I'm not insulting your taste in music, but I am insulting the music you listen to. And I don't see the problem with that. I can back up my statements with cold, hard facts (tired major-minor-dominant chord progressions, meandering melodies, typical 4/4 beat rhythms), but you wouldn't be able to talk back to those points. That's why I don't want to go into the musical analysis. I didn't want the debate to get this far, but you're forcing me to act pretentious by playing the "music analysis card", so to speak. And I don't like to act in a pretentious way, especially when it comes to music. If you like this music, great. But the bottom line is that there is cooler music out there, and Crush40 or whatever the name of the band is happens to be on the lower end of the spectrum any way you slice it. Harmonically, melodically, rhythmically, and thematically. If you like it for what it is, ok, then that's what you like. There is no problem with this whatsoever and it doesn't mean you have a bad taste in music...it's just what jives with you. Some people like rock music just for the rhythm, and that is cool. They get their musical kick from headbanging. That is totally legitimate. In this case, the music does work for the modern Sonic games but I personally prefer the older tunes because they're interesting musically, not just fitting for the era of Sonic games. And that, indeed, is a matter of opinion.

 

[//RUN.exe]

OK, I'm going to tell you what I think outright. You don't have the capacity to call my music downright atrocious because you have no *censored.3.0*ing idea what constitutes technically interesting music. You like music because you do, simple as that, and I have no problem with that. You're right, I'm not insulting your taste in music, but I am insulting the music you listen to. And I don't see the problem with that. I can back up my statements with cold, hard facts (tired major-minor-dominant chord progressions, meandering melodies, typical 4/4 beat rhythms), but you wouldn't be able to talk back to those points. That's why I don't want to go into the musical analysis. I think you should simply take my word for it. I didn't want the debate to get this far, but you're forcing me to act pretentious by playing the "music analysis card", so to speak. If you like this music, great. But don't assume it's any good. The bottom line is that there is cooler music out there, and that Crush40 or whatever the name of the band is happens to be on the lower end of the spectrum any way you slice it. Harmonically, melodically, rhythmically, and thematically. If you like it for what it is, ok, then that's what you like.

the amount of pretentiousness in this post is downright atrocious.

 

[-Aaron]

@Tye: Sometimes the blood and swearing helps.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Cp2gCw6A_3A

so wait

in a discussion about mature and deep stories

you bring up no more heroes 2?

i love the game but even i think that's *censored.3.0*in' stupid :v

I think the second one had a deeper story than the first, considering his primary objective in the first was to get laid.

 

[Bulerias]

OK, I'm going to tell you what I think outright. You don't have the capacity to call my music downright atrocious because you have no *censored.3.0*ing idea what constitutes technically interesting music. You like music because you do, simple as that, and I have no problem with that. You're right, I'm not insulting your taste in music, but I am insulting the music you listen to. And I don't see the problem with that. I can back up my statements with cold, hard facts (tired major-minor-dominant chord progressions, meandering melodies, typical 4/4 beat rhythms), but you wouldn't be able to talk back to those points. That's why I don't want to go into the musical analysis. I think you should simply take my word for it. I didn't want the debate to get this far, but you're forcing me to act pretentious by playing the "music analysis card", so to speak. If you like this music, great. But don't assume it's any good. The bottom line is that there is cooler music out there, and that Crush40 or whatever the name of the band is happens to be on the lower end of the spectrum any way you slice it. Harmonically, melodically, rhythmically, and thematically. If you like it for what it is, ok, then that's what you like.

the amount of pretentiousness in this post is downright atrocious.

Yeah man, whatever. I tried my best not to resort to arguments that had even a shred of pretentiousness, but I don't think Tye will understand any other way. Pretentious or not, it's the truth. Sorry.