New Sonic Colors Trailer, Box Art, and Release Date

[Tyeforce]

This whole "fact vs. opinion" debate is BS, Tye. This is a videogame discussion forum. You don't discuss facts, you discuss opinions. If you use the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" argument escape, then that eliminates the point of discussion in general.

I'm aware of that, but how is it possible to discuss opinions when one person believes their opinion to be the absolute truth?

You dont know that person believes it's the absolute truth. You can't tell by text that he is stating it as a fact. So stop using that BS answer/reply to everything everyone says that you dont agree with./ends mini rant

the rock music in Sonic is objectively derivative and uninteresting.

That doesn't sound like he's stating a fact to you? He's saying that Sonic music is bad, period. Not "I don't like Sonic music", he's flat out saying that it's bad, and that's a fact.

 

[Rawburt]

This whole "fact vs. opinion" debate is BS, Tye. This is a videogame discussion forum. You don't discuss facts, you discuss opinions. If you use the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" argument escape, then that eliminates the point of discussion in general.

I'm aware of that, but how is it possible to discuss opinions when one person believes their opinion to be the absolute truth?

You dont know that person believes it's the absolute truth. You can't tell by text that he is stating it as a fact. So stop using that BS answer/reply to everything everyone says that you dont agree with./ends mini rant

the rock music in Sonic is objectively derivative and uninteresting.

That doesn't sound like he's stating a fact to you? He's saying that Sonic music is bad, period. Not "I don't like Sonic music", he's flat out saying that it's bad, and that's a fact.

Oh lawd, who cares?

It's still just an opinion and no matter how it's worded it shouldn't upset you.

 

[David]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepdiscussion

You dont know that person believes it's the absolute truth. You can't tell by text that he is stating it as a fact. So stop using that BS answer/reply to everything everyone says that you dont agree with./ends mini rant

the rock music in Sonic is objectively derivative and uninteresting.

That doesn't sound like he's stating a fact to you? He's saying that Sonic music is bad, period. Not "I don't like Sonic music", he's flat out saying that it's bad, and that's a fact.

Dude, don't argue with him, he's a musician, and I'm sure he's heavily into music, and knows what makes a good or a bad song.

 

[Tyeforce]

Because of past experiences.

Things can change though

Yes, but I'm not going to spend $60 +tax everytime for the possibility of a good game.
I want a guarantee.

In Color's case, it's either $50 or $35 plus tax, since it's on Wii and DS. And no one's forcing you to buy it without renting it first, or at least watching gameplay videos.

 

[Bacon Boy]

Of all the things to get worked up over, getting worked up over someone's opinion as to why or why not they do not like Sonic Games/Sonic Music in general is ridiculous. As well as trying to piss Tye off as well, is a redundant and stupid thing to do.

 

[Bulerias]

Tye,

I don't want to seem pretentious, but by "objectively" I mean "anyone who bothers to analyze music". And by analyze, I don't mean sitting down with a pen/paper and working out chords, melodies, etc...I mean just intuitively being aware of what's going on in the music. You don't even have to **know** what you're hearing...you just have to consider that, hmm, maybe this isn't so original. Maybe I've heard this melody a million times before. That's what I mean by derivative.

If I said "rock music, ALL OF IT, is objectively boring and derivative", that would be stupid. I don't make blanket statements, or at least try not to. In this case, I'm referring to one song, and we don't even have to deal with opinions here. The opinion is whether you like it or not. The fact is whether it's actually any good. You can like terrible music and be none the wiser, and hey, if that's what floats your boat then whatever.

And trust me, it's not like I never went through this phase myself. I have a CD of the soundtrack from Sonic Adventure 2 (which had some decent tunes actually), but I listened to most of it and enjoyed it. I wasn't an idiot for listening to it, but I wouldn't be caught dead with some of that stuff on my iPod nowadays. It's just a natural progression, you like what you like now...and that's cool...but chances are you won't later on, IF that music doesn't have lasting value. There is certain music, that rare album or composition, that is timeless. This music is present in any genre, be it rock or classical or jazz. It often appeals intuitively from the get-go, and also is interesting intellectually. But it's rare that lasting music is appealing only intuitively. If it's not an interesting composition, musically, it's not going to last. And that's why my point stands -- the music in this trailer is OBJECTIVELY uninteresting and derivative. But that doesn't make it intuitively uninteresting...at least to those who don't care to get deeper into it...you know what I mean?

Sorry for the "music appreciation 101" lecture, but...

 

[Tyeforce]

Tye,

I don't want to seem pretentious, but by "objectively" I mean "anyone who bothers to analyze music". And by analyze, I don't mean sitting down with a pen/paper and working out chords, melodies, etc...I mean just intuitively being aware of what's going on in the music. You don't even have to **know** what you're hearing...you just have to consider that, hmm, maybe this isn't so original. Maybe I've heard this melody a million times before. That's what I mean by derivative.

If I said "rock music, ALL OF IT, is objectively boring and derivative", that would be stupid. I don't make blanket statements, or at least try not to. In this case, I'm referring to one song, and we don't even have to deal with opinions here. The opinion is whether you like it or not. The fact is whether it's actually any good. You can like terrible music and be none the wiser, and hey, if that's what floats your boat then whatever.

And trust me, it's not like I never went through this phase myself. I have a CD of the soundtrack from Sonic Adventure 2 (which had some decent tunes actually), but I listened to most of it and enjoyed it. I wasn't an idiot for listening to it, but I wouldn't be caught dead with some of that stuff on my iPod nowadays. It's just a natural progression, you like what you like now...and that's cool...but chances are you won't later on, IF that music doesn't have lasting value. There is certain music, that rare album or composition, that is timeless. This music is present in any genre, be it rock or classical or jazz. It often appeals intuitively from the get-go, and also is interesting intellectually. But it's rare that lasting music is appealing only intuitively. If it's not an interesting composition, musically, it's not going to last. And that's why my point stands -- the music in this trailer is OBJECTIVELY uninteresting and derivative. But that doesn't make it intuitively uninteresting...at least to those who don't care to get deeper into it...you know what I mean?

Sorry for the "music appreciation 101" lecture, but...

I'd like it if you didn't act like you know everything about my own musical tastes, thank you very much. No, it's not some "phase". I've been listening to Sonic music for nearly ten years now, and I love it just as much as I always have. I've changed a lot in ten years, but something that hasn't changed is my taste in music, as well as in video games. It's no phase, it's just what I genuinely like. And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there, but since when does being unoriginal equal not good?

Listen, I understand that you're a musician and you know your musical stuff, and I respect that, but that doesn't make your tastes in music any better or worse than mine, because it's all just opinion. You like the music you like for different reasons than I do. You like music based on more technical aspects, while I like music because it just sounds good to me, and Crush 40 sounds the best to me. It's not unlike gaming. Some people play games for the graphics or the story, but I play games for the reason why they are created; for fun. And, I gotta say, my choice in games has never let me down in the fun department.

 

[Bulerias]

And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there...I like music because it just sounds good to me.

OK, so we agree. Not original = derivative, and you like this music strictly on an intuitive level. What's the argument here?

 

[Ciaran]

And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there...I like music because it just sounds good to me.

OK, so we agree. Not original = derivative, and you like this music strictly on an intuitive level. What's the argument here?

It's Tye, there's always an arguement.

 

[Miranda]

And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there...I like music because it just sounds good to me.

OK, so we agree. Not original = derivative, and you like this music strictly on an intuitive level. What's the argument here?

It's Tye, there's always an arguement.

Tye doesn't accept other's opinions, he argues his points only and isn't open to other opinions. It's best to just ignore it really.

 

[Jas0n]

Tye,

I don't want to seem pretentious, but by "objectively" I mean "anyone who bothers to analyze music". And by analyze, I don't mean sitting down with a pen/paper and working out chords, melodies, etc...I mean just intuitively being aware of what's going on in the music. You don't even have to **know** what you're hearing...you just have to consider that, hmm, maybe this isn't so original. Maybe I've heard this melody a million times before. That's what I mean by derivative.

If I said "rock music, ALL OF IT, is objectively boring and derivative", that would be stupid. I don't make blanket statements, or at least try not to. In this case, I'm referring to one song, and we don't even have to deal with opinions here. The opinion is whether you like it or not. The fact is whether it's actually any good. You can like terrible music and be none the wiser, and hey, if that's what floats your boat then whatever.

And trust me, it's not like I never went through this phase myself. I have a CD of the soundtrack from Sonic Adventure 2 (which had some decent tunes actually), but I listened to most of it and enjoyed it. I wasn't an idiot for listening to it, but I wouldn't be caught dead with some of that stuff on my iPod nowadays. It's just a natural progression, you like what you like now...and that's cool...but chances are you won't later on, IF that music doesn't have lasting value. There is certain music, that rare album or composition, that is timeless. This music is present in any genre, be it rock or classical or jazz. It often appeals intuitively from the get-go, and also is interesting intellectually. But it's rare that lasting music is appealing only intuitively. If it's not an interesting composition, musically, it's not going to last. And that's why my point stands -- the music in this trailer is OBJECTIVELY uninteresting and derivative. But that doesn't make it intuitively uninteresting...at least to those who don't care to get deeper into it...you know what I mean?

Sorry for the "music appreciation 101" lecture, but...

I'd like it if you didn't act like you know everything about my own musical tastes, thank you very much. No, it's not some "phase". I've been listening to Sonic music for nearly ten years now, and I love it just as much as I always have. I've changed a lot in ten years, but something that hasn't changed is my taste in music, as well as in video games. It's no phase, it's just what I genuinely like. And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there, but since when does being unoriginal equal not good?

Listen, I understand that you're a musician and you know your musical stuff, and I respect that, but that doesn't make your tastes in music any better or worse than mine, because it's all just opinion. You like the music you like for different reasons than I do. You like music based on more technical aspects, while I like music because it just sounds good to me, and Crush 40 sounds the best to me. It's not unlike gaming. Some people play games for the graphics or the story, but I play games for the reason why they are created; for fun. And, I gotta say, my choice in games has never let me down in the fun department.

You're misunderstanding his point.

The like and dislike is the opinion, but the opinion has nothing to do with whether the music is technically good or not. Just because you like the song does not make it technically good, and it never will be.

He's not saying that you shouldn't like that music, because that's all down to your personal opinion.

 

[David]

Soooo much fanboyism...

 

[Bulerias]

Tye,

I don't want to seem pretentious, but by "objectively" I mean "anyone who bothers to analyze music". And by analyze, I don't mean sitting down with a pen/paper and working out chords, melodies, etc...I mean just intuitively being aware of what's going on in the music. You don't even have to **know** what you're hearing...you just have to consider that, hmm, maybe this isn't so original. Maybe I've heard this melody a million times before. That's what I mean by derivative.

If I said "rock music, ALL OF IT, is objectively boring and derivative", that would be stupid. I don't make blanket statements, or at least try not to. In this case, I'm referring to one song, and we don't even have to deal with opinions here. The opinion is whether you like it or not. The fact is whether it's actually any good. You can like terrible music and be none the wiser, and hey, if that's what floats your boat then whatever.

And trust me, it's not like I never went through this phase myself. I have a CD of the soundtrack from Sonic Adventure 2 (which had some decent tunes actually), but I listened to most of it and enjoyed it. I wasn't an idiot for listening to it, but I wouldn't be caught dead with some of that stuff on my iPod nowadays. It's just a natural progression, you like what you like now...and that's cool...but chances are you won't later on, IF that music doesn't have lasting value. There is certain music, that rare album or composition, that is timeless. This music is present in any genre, be it rock or classical or jazz. It often appeals intuitively from the get-go, and also is interesting intellectually. But it's rare that lasting music is appealing only intuitively. If it's not an interesting composition, musically, it's not going to last. And that's why my point stands -- the music in this trailer is OBJECTIVELY uninteresting and derivative. But that doesn't make it intuitively uninteresting...at least to those who don't care to get deeper into it...you know what I mean?

Sorry for the "music appreciation 101" lecture, but...

I'd like it if you didn't act like you know everything about my own musical tastes, thank you very much. No, it's not some "phase". I've been listening to Sonic music for nearly ten years now, and I love it just as much as I always have. I've changed a lot in ten years, but something that hasn't changed is my taste in music, as well as in video games. It's no phase, it's just what I genuinely like. And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there, but since when does being unoriginal equal not good?

Listen, I understand that you're a musician and you know your musical stuff, and I respect that, but that doesn't make your tastes in music any better or worse than mine, because it's all just opinion. You like the music you like for different reasons than I do. You like music based on more technical aspects, while I like music because it just sounds good to me, and Crush 40 sounds the best to me. It's not unlike gaming. Some people play games for the graphics or the story, but I play games for the reason why they are created; for fun. And, I gotta say, my choice in games has never let me down in the fun department.

You're misunderstanding his point.

The like and dislike is the opinion, but the opinion has nothing to do with whether the music is technically good or not. Just because you like the song does not make it technically good, and it never will be.

He's not saying that you shouldn't like that music, because that's all down to your personal opinion.

^^^^ Yep...

 

[Tyeforce]

And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there...I like music because it just sounds good to me.

OK, so we agree. Not original = derivative, and you like this music strictly on an intuitive level. What's the argument here?

It's Tye, there's always an arguement.

Tye doesn't accept other's opinions, he argues his points only and isn't open to other opinions. It's best to just ignore it really.

Okay, that's *censored.3.0*ing it. I've had it with people like you who think that. WHO'S GODDAMN OPINION AM I NOT ACCEPTING?!

 

[Mr. L]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

It's Tye, there's always an arguement.

Tye doesn't accept other's opinions, he argues his points only and isn't open to other opinions. It's best to just ignore it really.

Okay, that's *censored.3.0*ing it. I've had it with people like you who think that. WHO'S GODDAMN OPINION AM I NOT ACCEPTING?!

Miranda's.

 

[Tyeforce]

Tye,

I don't want to seem pretentious, but by "objectively" I mean "anyone who bothers to analyze music". And by analyze, I don't mean sitting down with a pen/paper and working out chords, melodies, etc...I mean just intuitively being aware of what's going on in the music. You don't even have to **know** what you're hearing...you just have to consider that, hmm, maybe this isn't so original. Maybe I've heard this melody a million times before. That's what I mean by derivative.

If I said "rock music, ALL OF IT, is objectively boring and derivative", that would be stupid. I don't make blanket statements, or at least try not to. In this case, I'm referring to one song, and we don't even have to deal with opinions here. The opinion is whether you like it or not. The fact is whether it's actually any good. You can like terrible music and be none the wiser, and hey, if that's what floats your boat then whatever.

And trust me, it's not like I never went through this phase myself. I have a CD of the soundtrack from Sonic Adventure 2 (which had some decent tunes actually), but I listened to most of it and enjoyed it. I wasn't an idiot for listening to it, but I wouldn't be caught dead with some of that stuff on my iPod nowadays. It's just a natural progression, you like what you like now...and that's cool...but chances are you won't later on, IF that music doesn't have lasting value. There is certain music, that rare album or composition, that is timeless. This music is present in any genre, be it rock or classical or jazz. It often appeals intuitively from the get-go, and also is interesting intellectually. But it's rare that lasting music is appealing only intuitively. If it's not an interesting composition, musically, it's not going to last. And that's why my point stands -- the music in this trailer is OBJECTIVELY uninteresting and derivative. But that doesn't make it intuitively uninteresting...at least to those who don't care to get deeper into it...you know what I mean?

Sorry for the "music appreciation 101" lecture, but...

I'd like it if you didn't act like you know everything about my own musical tastes, thank you very much. No, it's not some "phase". I've been listening to Sonic music for nearly ten years now, and I love it just as much as I always have. I've changed a lot in ten years, but something that hasn't changed is my taste in music, as well as in video games. It's no phase, it's just what I genuinely like. And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there, but since when does being unoriginal equal not good?

Listen, I understand that you're a musician and you know your musical stuff, and I respect that, but that doesn't make your tastes in music any better or worse than mine, because it's all just opinion. You like the music you like for different reasons than I do. You like music based on more technical aspects, while I like music because it just sounds good to me, and Crush 40 sounds the best to me. It's not unlike gaming. Some people play games for the graphics or the story, but I play games for the reason why they are created; for fun. And, I gotta say, my choice in games has never let me down in the fun department.

You're misunderstanding his point.

The like and dislike is the opinion, but the opinion has nothing to do with whether the music is technically good or not. Just because you like the song does not make it technically good, and it never will be.

He's not saying that you shouldn't like that music, because that's all down to your personal opinion.

I never said that my liking the song means that it's not bad, but it's not bad music. It may not be the best, but it's certainly not crap. And it may be derivative, but again, that doesn't mean it's not good.

 

[Tyeforce]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Tye doesn't accept other's opinions, he argues his points only and isn't open to other opinions. It's best to just ignore it really.

Okay, that's *censored.3.0*ing it. I've had it with people like you who think that. WHO'S GODDAMN OPINION AM I NOT ACCEPTING?!

Miranda's.

What do you mean? If you mean her opinion that I don't accept other people's opinions, of course I don't accept that, because it's a false opinion. She can think that that's the truth all she wants, but it's not true at all.

 

[Bulerias]

I never said that my liking the song means that it's not bad, but it's not bad music.

Huh? You're misunderstanding the point, again (what is this, the fifth or sixth time?). If a piece of music is derivative, it is unoriginal. If it is unoriginal, it doesn't have lasting value. And if it doesn't have lasting value, guess what -- it isn't any good. But you're still entitled to your opinion, and if you like it, that's cool. It's just a question of musical standards...you're saying it's not crap, well, I'm saying it is. Undeniably. It has no musical merit. If you dig it, fine. That's the intuitive appeal I was talking about. But please, don't try to defend it musically.

 

[Jas0n]

Tye,

I don't want to seem pretentious, but by "objectively" I mean "anyone who bothers to analyze music". And by analyze, I don't mean sitting down with a pen/paper and working out chords, melodies, etc...I mean just intuitively being aware of what's going on in the music. You don't even have to **know** what you're hearing...you just have to consider that, hmm, maybe this isn't so original. Maybe I've heard this melody a million times before. That's what I mean by derivative.

If I said "rock music, ALL OF IT, is objectively boring and derivative", that would be stupid. I don't make blanket statements, or at least try not to. In this case, I'm referring to one song, and we don't even have to deal with opinions here. The opinion is whether you like it or not. The fact is whether it's actually any good. You can like terrible music and be none the wiser, and hey, if that's what floats your boat then whatever.

And trust me, it's not like I never went through this phase myself. I have a CD of the soundtrack from Sonic Adventure 2 (which had some decent tunes actually), but I listened to most of it and enjoyed it. I wasn't an idiot for listening to it, but I wouldn't be caught dead with some of that stuff on my iPod nowadays. It's just a natural progression, you like what you like now...and that's cool...but chances are you won't later on, IF that music doesn't have lasting value. There is certain music, that rare album or composition, that is timeless. This music is present in any genre, be it rock or classical or jazz. It often appeals intuitively from the get-go, and also is interesting intellectually. But it's rare that lasting music is appealing only intuitively. If it's not an interesting composition, musically, it's not going to last. And that's why my point stands -- the music in this trailer is OBJECTIVELY uninteresting and derivative. But that doesn't make it intuitively uninteresting...at least to those who don't care to get deeper into it...you know what I mean?

Sorry for the "music appreciation 101" lecture, but...

I'd like it if you didn't act like you know everything about my own musical tastes, thank you very much. No, it's not some "phase". I've been listening to Sonic music for nearly ten years now, and I love it just as much as I always have. I've changed a lot in ten years, but something that hasn't changed is my taste in music, as well as in video games. It's no phase, it's just what I genuinely like. And maybe Sonic music isn't the most original music out there, but since when does being unoriginal equal not good?

Listen, I understand that you're a musician and you know your musical stuff, and I respect that, but that doesn't make your tastes in music any better or worse than mine, because it's all just opinion. You like the music you like for different reasons than I do. You like music based on more technical aspects, while I like music because it just sounds good to me, and Crush 40 sounds the best to me. It's not unlike gaming. Some people play games for the graphics or the story, but I play games for the reason why they are created; for fun. And, I gotta say, my choice in games has never let me down in the fun department.

You're misunderstanding his point.

The like and dislike is the opinion, but the opinion has nothing to do with whether the music is technically good or not. Just because you like the song does not make it technically good, and it never will be.

He's not saying that you shouldn't like that music, because that's all down to your personal opinion.

I never said that my liking the song means that it's not bad, but it's not bad music. It may not be the best, but it's certainly not crap. And it may be derivative, but again, that doesn't mean it's not good.

You can't really argue whether it's technically good or bad music against someone's who's dedicated his life to everything music related, whereas you just like it because "it sounds good to you"

 

[Tyeforce]

I never said that my liking the song means that it's not bad, but it's not bad music.

Huh? You're misunderstanding the point, again (what is this, the fifth or sixth time?). If a piece of music is derivative, it is unoriginal. If it is unoriginal, it doesn't have lasting value. And if it doesn't have lasting value, guess what -- it isn't any good. But you're still entitled to your opinion, and if you like it, that's cool. It's just a question of musical standards...you're saying it's not crap, well, I'm saying it is. Undeniably. It has no musical merit. If you dig it, fine. That's the intuitive appeal I was talking about. But please, don't try to defend it musically.

Okay, I'm fine with you saying that it may be derivative, and that it may not be as good as other music from a technical point of view, but don't *censored.3.0*ing tell me that it doesn't have lasting value, because its value has lasted nearly ten years for me, and it's not going to fade anytime soon. Value is subjective. You have no authority to dictate how other people value music, no matter how musically talented you are.