Well the word *censored.2.0* should be appropriate to describe almost every other recent venture of the sonic team, so I think it's fair to have no faith whatsoever in the developers.Tyeforce said:You can not prefer it all you want, but that doesn't mean that it won't be a good game. There are many games that I don't prefer, but I'm not going to call them garbage just because I don't like them.Ciaran said:I said nothing whatsoever about hating the game, I said that I don't want it because I prefer 2D Sonic.Tyeforce said:Why don't you have faith in the developers. They're finally at a point where they're taking all the criticism from the fans very seriously, so seriously that they delayed Sonic 4 to change the physics and such to satisfy all the whiners like you. As for Sonic Colors, they're taking the reception of Unleashed and building upon the great daytime gameplay for Colors, and removing the not-so-well-recieved Werehog gameplay. And they're also taking a page out of Super Mario Galaxy with the Wisp power-ups and whatnot, and I don't see how that can be a bad thing. You just want this game to fail. You're not even giving it a chance, and you probably never will. You'll just continue to express your hatred and rage towards it, while you'll never actually play the game for yourself.Ciaran said:Quoting limited to 4 levels deep
Tye said:Unleashed and building upon the great daytime gameplay
Thou shalt not state thou opinion as fact!!
EDIT: And that song was the most pointless piece of uninspired drivel I've heard in a good long while.
And I wasn't stating my opinion as fact. >_> The daytime gameplay of Sonic Unleashed is widely well received by many fans, and many people will tell you that it's the some of the best gameplay in a 3D Sonic game, if not the best, ever. So I think using the word "great" was appropriate. Maybe it wasn't "great" to you, because you just don't like 3D Sonic games, but there's no denying that it was great gameplay for a 3D Sonic game. It's like saying that Super Mario Galaxy didn't have great gameplay for a 3D Mario game. Ridiculous. You're just trying to pick a fight, as usual.
I compared them to their respective franchises, not to each other. And, yes, Sonic games don't exactly have the same level of quality as Nintendo's main series Mario games, but many games don't. Just because they're not at the same level as Mario doesn't mean they're not good and can't be fun, because that's certainly not the case. While Mario games may be a bit more fine tuned than Sonic games, I have about the same amount of fun with both franchises.Bulerias said:Did you just compare Sonic Unleashed and Super Mario Galaxy, Tye?
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/sonicunleashed
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/supermariogalaxy
Some of the best 3D Sonic gameplay, indeed. And oddly enough I agree. Which just goes to show you that the Sonic franchise, Genesis games aside, is on a completely different (read: lower) level.
That can be said for 1 review, but a site like metacritic has dozens of reviews for everygame, so you can see trends, and reviewers back up their opinions with facts and comparisons, so they're not as pointless as you make them out to think.Tyeforce said:I compared them to their respective franchises, not to each other. And, yes, Sonic games don't exactly have the same level of quality as Nintendo's main series Mario games, but many games don't. Just because they're not at the same level as Mario doesn't mean they're not good and can't be fun, because that's certainly not the case. While Mario games may be a bit more fine tuned than Sonic games, I have about the same amount of fun with both franchises.Bulerias said:Did you just compare Sonic Unleashed and Super Mario Galaxy, Tye?
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/sonicunleashed
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/supermariogalaxy
Some of the best 3D Sonic gameplay, indeed. And oddly enough I agree. Which just goes to show you that the Sonic franchise, Genesis games aside, is on a completely different (read: lower) level.
Also, review scores aren't everything. They don't dictate how much people will like a game or how much fun it is, and they certainly don't dictate which franchise is better than another. Review scores are opinions, not fact, yet so many people, yourself included, use them as if the are facts.
How is this butchering Sonic? Have you even been following the news about this game? If anything, it's a step in the right direction.Miranda said:Why do they keep butchering Sonic? Can't they just leave him alone, and let the old sonic games just be around...they're giving Sonic a bad name and future generations are actually going to think this stuff is good and miss out on when Sonic was good...I pity those kids.
There are a lot of Sonic haters out there, you know. Besides, you yourself don't agree with review scores (since you claim that Super Mario Galaxy 2 is way overrated), so why are you backing them up?Ciaran said:That can be said for 1 review, but a site like metacritic has dozens of reviews for everygame, so you can see trends, and reviewers back up their opinions with facts and comparisons, so they're not as pointless as you make them out to think.Tyeforce said:I compared them to their respective franchises, not to each other. And, yes, Sonic games don't exactly have the same level of quality as Nintendo's main series Mario games, but many games don't. Just because they're not at the same level as Mario doesn't mean they're not good and can't be fun, because that's certainly not the case. While Mario games may be a bit more fine tuned than Sonic games, I have about the same amount of fun with both franchises.Bulerias said:Did you just compare Sonic Unleashed and Super Mario Galaxy, Tye?
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/sonicunleashed
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/supermariogalaxy
Some of the best 3D Sonic gameplay, indeed. And oddly enough I agree. Which just goes to show you that the Sonic franchise, Genesis games aside, is on a completely different (read: lower) level.
Also, review scores aren't everything. They don't dictate how much people will like a game or how much fun it is, and they certainly don't dictate which franchise is better than another. Review scores are opinions, not fact, yet so many people, yourself included, use them as if the are facts.
I'm aware of that, but how is it possible to discuss opinions when one person believes their opinion to be the absolute truth?Bulerias said:This whole "fact vs. opinion" debate is BS, Tye. This is a videogame discussion forum. You don't discuss facts, you discuss opinions. If you use the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" argument escape, then that eliminates the point of discussion in general.
That seems to be you, with how you handwave all negative thoughts about this game aside.Tyeforce said:I'm aware of that, but how is it possible to discuss opinions when one person believes their opinion to be the absolute truth?Bulerias said:This whole "fact vs. opinion" debate is BS, Tye. This is a videogame discussion forum. You don't discuss facts, you discuss opinions. If you use the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" argument escape, then that eliminates the point of discussion in general.
There really is no reason for negativity at this point. If you don't like these types of games, then don't even bother posting in this thread. If you do like these types of games, then you're in luck, because Sonic Colors is looking to be a great improvement upon 3D Sonic gameplay.Jak said:That seems to be you, with how you handwave all negative thoughts about this game aside.Tyeforce said:I'm aware of that, but how is it possible to discuss opinions when one person believes their opinion to be the absolute truth?Bulerias said:This whole "fact vs. opinion" debate is BS, Tye. This is a videogame discussion forum. You don't discuss facts, you discuss opinions. If you use the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" argument escape, then that eliminates the point of discussion in general.
Because we all know how you ignored the 3D Dot Heroes and Call of Duty threads.Tyeforce said:There really is no reason for negativity at this point. If you don't like these types of games, then don't even bother posting in this thread. If you do like these types of games, then you're in luck, because Sonic Colors is looking to be a great improvement upon 3D Sonic gameplay.Jak said:That seems to be you, with how you handwave all negative thoughts about this game aside.Tyeforce said:I'm aware of that, but how is it possible to discuss opinions when one person believes their opinion to be the absolute truth?Bulerias said:This whole "fact vs. opinion" debate is BS, Tye. This is a videogame discussion forum. You don't discuss facts, you discuss opinions. If you use the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" argument escape, then that eliminates the point of discussion in general.
The 3D Dot Hero thread was only one instance, and I only posted in that thread because of the similarities to Zelda, which is a franchise that I like. And I believe the only time I posted in any Call of Duty thread was when I was messing with David.-Aaron said:Because we all know how you ignored the 3D Dot Heroes and Call of Duty threads.Tyeforce said:There really is no reason for negativity at this point. If you don't like these types of games, then don't even bother posting in this thread. If you do like these types of games, then you're in luck, because Sonic Colors is looking to be a great improvement upon 3D Sonic gameplay.Jak said:That seems to be you, with how you handwave all negative thoughts about this game aside.Tyeforce said:Quoting limited to 4 levels deepdiscussion
Things can change though-Aaron said:Because of past experiences.
It's healthy skepticism really.BlueDaisy said:Why is everyone bashing Sonic? I will admit, some of the other 3D Sonic games were pretty terrible, but that doesn't mean this one has to be.
You dont know that person believes it's the absolute truth. You can't tell by text that he is stating it as a fact. So stop using that BS answer/reply to everything everyone says that you dont agree with./ends mini rantTyeforce said:I'm aware of that, but how is it possible to discuss opinions when one person believes their opinion to be the absolute truth?Bulerias said:This whole "fact vs. opinion" debate is BS, Tye. This is a videogame discussion forum. You don't discuss facts, you discuss opinions. If you use the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" argument escape, then that eliminates the point of discussion in general.
Yes, but I'm not going to spend $60 +tax everytime for the possibility of a good game.BlueDaisy said:Things can change though-Aaron said:Because of past experiences.