Mccain or Obama?

[Sporge27]

Alright I think that we can all attempt to share views of which president we want in office and why. I would strongly urge people not to bash the other candidate in this thread, lets try to stay civilized. You are welcome to address your own candidates shortcomings though!


I am planning on voting for Obama. There are issues personal to me that influence my decision but I know that those do not necessarily hold sway on others. What I can say about him is that he chose to work the job with less monetary rewards. I personally can relate to that and makes me believe he is a really good person deep down. I could have a summer job that actually makes me money, but I still go to the same camp because of how much I enjoy providing new experiences for the children that go there. Obama helped communities gain a voice, and that makes all the difference.

I know Obama might not have as much experience, but I almost see that as a good thing because it brings new ideas to the table. He would not be stuck in the 'business as usual' rut as easily. Our economy needs some drastic changes, and so does health care. New ideas are needed, and I feel like Obama is in touch with the current generation, avoiding a lot of ignorance that is out there.

I have heard Obama attacked for being present at votes but not casting his, but I almost see this as a great thing. If you do not feel strongly enough for either side of a vote, you really should not allow yourself to be pressured into one. I don't see this as indecisiveness, but wisdom. Making an ill informed decision is worse than making no decision at all.



I would like to add a side note here just to say that both sides have been using advertisements to sling mud at each other. This is despicable, and both sides are doing it because we let it work. It tries to paint the other as a bad guy, and after looking at both candidates neither are bad deep down. Sometimes they just misunderstand an issue or are misunderstood themselves. This election should not be about who we don't want in office, but who we want in office.

 

[Jeremy]

Neither. I will be voting for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin. John McCain and Barack Obama are statists, anti-freedom, and anti-Constitution. They also both have an interventionist foreign policy which tempts terrorists and has been the single cause of all the country's problems involving foreign affairs. When it comes to economics, it makes sense that they both take the status-quo position (same with foreign policy), because both of them are ignorant to economics. John McCain was embarrassed in the debates with questions on the economy and was probably one of the least knowledgeable on economics out of all primary candidates. Barack Obama is down there too. It's ironic because the economy is supposed to be the #1 issues this year. This happened because voters themselves don't understand economics and they don't know what to look for. Perhaps this can be blamed on failing government schools, thanks to illegal institutions such as the Department of Education.

About ten trillion dollars in debt and fifty three trillion in obligations (government currently has 0 out of that), both candidates are interested in increasing government spending. You may ask where the money comes from. Good question. It comes from nowhere. They print more dollars, inflate the currency, lower the value, and guess what? With this kind of policy, which is not surprising coming from people who have no understanding of basic economics, the entire US economic system will simply collapse. This is not a joke, you can look at history if you need to. The country is going down the tubes. Obama or McCain will both see that the path of destruction continues.

And this is why I got into politics. We are screwed.

 

[Sporge27]

Neither. I will be voting for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin. John McCain and Barack Obama are statists, anti-freedom, and anti-Constitution. They also both have an interventionist foreign policy which tempts terrorists and has been the single cause of all the country's problems involving foreign affairs. When it comes to economics, it makes sense that they both take the status-quo position (same with foreign policy), because both of them are ignorant to economics. John McCain was embarrassed in the debates with questions on the economy and was probably one of the least knowledgeable on economics out of all primary candidates. Barack Obama is down there too. It's ironic because the economy is supposed to be the #1 issues this year. This happened because voters themselves don't understand economics and they don't know what to look for. Perhaps this can be blamed on failing government schools, thanks to illegal institutions such as the Department of Education.

About ten trillion dollars in debt and fifty three trillion in obligations (government currently has 0 out of that), both candidates are interested in increasing government spending. You may ask where the money comes from. Good question. It comes from nowhere. They print more dollars, inflate the currency, lower the value, and guess what? With this kind of policy, which is not surprising coming from people who have no understanding of basic economics, the entire US economic system will simply collapse. This is not a joke, you can look at history if you need to. The country is going down the tubes. Obama or McCain will both see that the path of destruction continues.

And this is why I got into politics. We are screwed.

:$ sorry about forgetting the other candidates still out there, I really do hate the 2 party system but it has become nearly impossible to change...

I really just want to live my life without having to worry about politics, or economics for that matter. It isn't my field. And I am glad it isn't. Both areas are just screwed up, but as long as we have a currency I think I should be fine. If our currency dies, thank god my grandparents I could live on growing my own food for a bit

Personally I have a feeling that the world will be going through some major changes in my life time. Computers are exponentially advancing, and we are starting to look into all sorts of alternative energy, as well as energy storage. By the time I die there could be people colonizing mars for all we know. That is where I want to be at, the brink of discovery.

May be it is people like me who want to be ignorant of politics that ruin the government. This is really the first time I felt like looking into candidates. Out of the 2 that have a shot at winning I know who I want.

May be the world will finally start to cooperate and get along in our lifetimes. Wouldn't that be nice?

 

[Jeremy]

I honestly cannot see a major difference between Senator McCain and Senator Obama. Even if I wanted to pick a lesser of evils, I wouldn't know which one is less evil. People also ask me why "I'm wasting my vote?" I tell them that it's actually you who waste your voted by voting for the status quo (McCain, Obama) in a broken system. I don't support any party or person. The only thing I support is the philosophy of liberty.

And I worry about politics as a method of self defense. :gyroidgrin: Increase in government is a decrease in my liberty, so I will fight against that. I also agree with civil disobedience, which a lot of libertarians do instead of political action. (Ghandi was the master of civil disobedience)

 

[Bacon Boy]

I honestly cannot see a major difference between Senator McCain and Senator Obama. Even if I wanted to pick a lesser of evils, I wouldn't know which one is less evil. People also ask me why "I'm wasting my vote?" I tell them that it's actually you who waste your voted by voting for the status quote (McCain, Obama) in a broken system. I don't support any party or person. The only thing I support is the philosophy of liberty.

And I worry about politics as a method of self defense. :gyroidgrin: Increase in government is a decrease in my liberty, so I will fight against that. I also agree with civil disobedience, which a lot of libertarians do instead of political action. (Ghandi was the master of civil disobedience)

I'll probably say everything tomorrow. I'm not up for it tonight...

 

[Cheatman101]

Obama. I'm young. I can't vote. So these are my ******** reasons:
1. McCain is OLD. He will die one month into office and then we will have...herr..as our president.
2. SARAH PALIN IS A .. i cant say
3. We need change. Black.is change.
4. Uh. I don't know. I just like Obama better
pretty ********, i agree

 

[Justin]

Obama. I'm young. I can't vote. So these are my ******** reasons:
1. McCain is OLD. He will die one month into office and then we will have...herr..as our president.
2. SARAH PALIN IS A .. i cant say
3. We need change. Black.is change.
4. Uh. I don't know. I just like Obama better
pretty ********, i agree

...

 

[The Chameleon]

I,m old enough to vote. I,m voting for Obama because I,m Democratic.
And plus, that idiot McCain wants the war in Iraq to continue! If it continues,
more lives will perish, the US will NEVER regain it's reputation with the world,
and not to mention there will be more economic problems. Worse, the terrorists
in Afghanistan may come with a new idea to attack the US because the US has
been too busy with Iraq.

This war in Iraq is totally pointless! What is the US fighting for there? NOTHING
What are they trying to accomplish? NOTHING! It has got to stop right now!

 

[Kyle]

I can't vote so I don't have a voice, therefore don't care as much as who I like more.

 

[Nate]

obama.

<3

 

[Zephent]

Personally, im not fond of either of them.

Damn these two party systems.

From my perspective, Mccain has sealed his fate with his VP choice, though, looks like Obama is going to come out on top in the end.

 

[Kyle]

Personally, im not fond of either of them.

Damn these two party systems.

From my perspective, Mccain has sealed his fate with his VP choice, though, looks like Obama is going to come out on top in the end.

Well there are independent, but the chance of them winning are very (very) slim.

 

[VantagE]

Personally, im not fond of either of them.

Damn these two party systems.

From my perspective, Mccain has sealed his fate with his VP choice, though, looks like Obama is going to come out on top in the end.

Thats what they said about the last two presidents...

McCain is who I am voting for.

I do not like Obama very much AT all... Big reason is because of the pro-abortion thing...

And thats all I will say about that... I think I might get too un hinged if I went into more.

 

[Zephent]

Personally, im not fond of either of them.

Damn these two party systems.

From my perspective, Mccain has sealed his fate with his VP choice, though, looks like Obama is going to come out on top in the end.

Thats what they said about the last two presidents...

McCain is who I am voting for.

I do not like Obama very much AT all... Big reason is because of the pro-abortion thing...

And thats all I will say about that... I think I might get too un hinged if I went into more.

Edit: This shouldn't turn into an abortion discussion, so I retract my previous statement.

 

[Bulerias]

Personally, im not fond of either of them.

Damn these two party systems.

From my perspective, Mccain has sealed his fate with his VP choice, though, looks like Obama is going to come out on top in the end.

Well there are independent, but the chance of them winning are very (very) slim.

The only independent who came close to winning, and actually led in the polls at one time, was Ross Perot. He had a small chance of winning, but he completely obliterated that chance when he dropped out and later reentered the race.

 

[Jeremy]

Personally, im not fond of either of them.

Damn these two party systems.

From my perspective, Mccain has sealed his fate with his VP choice, though, looks like Obama is going to come out on top in the end.

Well there are independent, but the chance of them winning are very (very) slim.

The only independent who came close to winning, and actually led in the polls at one time, was Ross Perot. He had a small chance of winning, but he completely obliterated that chance when he dropped out and later reentered the race.

He had a chance because he was let into the debates. But today it's far too corrupt. After the two party system saw how close he came to winning, they stopped the League of Women voters from managing the debates and formed a commission, half Republican, half Democrat. They made it impossible for 3rd party candidates to get into the debates because the two parties are in control of it... just another one of the many corrupt things in politics. Both Ralph Nader and Bob Barr have polled at the same amount Ross Perot polled before the debates. The American people need to do something about this problem!

 

[Bulerias]

Personally, im not fond of either of them.

Damn these two party systems.

From my perspective, Mccain has sealed his fate with his VP choice, though, looks like Obama is going to come out on top in the end.

Well there are independent, but the chance of them winning are very (very) slim.

The only independent who came close to winning, and actually led in the polls at one time, was Ross Perot. He had a small chance of winning, but he completely obliterated that chance when he dropped out and later reentered the race.

He had a chance because he was let into the debates. But today it's far too corrupt. After the two party system saw how close he came to winning, they stopped the League of Women voters from managing the debates and formed a commission, half Republican, half Democrat. They made it impossible for 3rd party candidates to get into the debates because the two parties are in control of it... just another one of the many corrupt things in politics. Both Ralph Nader and Bob Barr have polled at the same amount Ross Perot polled before the debates. The American people need to do something about this problem!

One wonders what the situation would look like now if Nader and Barr also partook in the debates and actually made waves in the media. Hmm...

 

[Zephent]

Well since we're a Democratic Republic, and not a full Democracy, im willing to bet that even if a 3rd party candidate did well in the polls, they wouldn't get into office.

 

[Jeremy]

Well since we're a Democratic Republic, and not a full Democracy, im willing to bet that even if a 3rd party candidate did well in the polls, they wouldn't get into office.

That's not because we have a Republic, it's because the two parties have control over everything (even though they're pretty much the same party). A Democracy would be a very scary form of government, but that's why they don't exist. It's mob rule, or "two sheep and a wolf deciding what to have for dinner." In Democracy, the majority infringes on the rights of the minority. In a Republic, the law is the rule, not the majority, and the law protects each individual. But we really don't have a republic in the US anymore because the government doesn't follow the Constitution. I think we've basically had an oligarchy for quite some time... scary stuff.

 

[Zephent]

Well since we're a Democratic Republic, and not a full Democracy, im willing to bet that even if a 3rd party candidate did well in the polls, they wouldn't get into office.

That's not because we have a Republic, it's because the two parties have control over everything (even though they're pretty much the same party). A Democracy would be a very scary form of government, but that's why they don't exist. It's mob rule, or "two sheep and a wolf deciding what to have for dinner." In Democracy, the majority infringes on the rights of the minority. In a Republic, the law is the rule, not the majority, and the law protects each individual. But we really don't have a republic in the US anymore because the government doesn't follow the Constitution. I think we've basically had an oligarchy for quite some time... scary stuff.

Right, I wasn't saying we should covert to a full fledged Democracy, nobody would want that.
All I was saying was that the officials we've elected to represent us, would not be very likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate, even if they got the popular vote from the general public.