Healthcare Bill Discussion

[MasterM64]

This Health Care Bill is so unConstitutional, read Amendments 9-10 of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Amendment 9:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


Do you see what I mean? They're violating the Constitution by passing this Health Care Bill, don't re-elect these corrupted Congress men who signed and agreed to this unConstitutional Bill.

 

[Gethsamane]

Just out of curiousity, how many of you have actually read the bill? I can garuntee: None of you. It's 1,017 pages of legal bull*censored.2.0*. But is that your fault? The government doesn't WANT you to read it.

Search the web for some sites that have highlighted key points. That's what I did. But I only took stuff that the majority of sites agreed on, to insure I was only getting real info. My conclusion?

This bill is, in my opinion, almost as dangerous to the United States as the War on Terror in Iraq/Afghanistan.

 

[Bacon Boy]

Just out of curiousity, how many of you have actually read the bill? I can garuntee: None of you. It's 1,017 pages of legal bull*censored.2.0*. But is that your fault? The government doesn't WANT you to read it.

Search the web for some sites that have highlighted key points. That's what I did. But I only took stuff that the majority of sites agreed on, to insure I was only getting real info. My conclusion?

This bill is, in my opinion, almost as dangerous to the United States as the War on Terror in Iraq/Afghanistan.

You get a +10!

 

[David]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8&feature=player_embedded

watch

the US is so *censored.3.0*ed up.

 

[Tyler]

Just out of curiousity, how many of you have actually read the bill? I can garuntee: None of you. It's 1,017 pages of legal bull*censored.2.0*. But is that your fault? The government doesn't WANT you to read it.

Search the web for some sites that have highlighted key points. That's what I did. But I only took stuff that the majority of sites agreed on, to insure I was only getting real info. My conclusion?

This bill is, in my opinion, almost as dangerous to the United States as the War on Terror in Iraq/Afghanistan.

You get a +10!

And you know what. I guarantee you most of the people in Congress haven't even read the bill. All it is is lawyers and other people telling members of Congress what they need to know and the pros and cons.

 

[Sporge27]

I have not read the bill no, I never read legalese, but summaries are all over the web by now, and were there before.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html

I am trying really, REALLY hard to see what people hate so much about this. I can't find anything that large. So you need health insurance just like car insurance now, it helps average costs over everyone in the nation so no one person gets hit with losing all their money to continue living. IT IS PRETTY MUCH BANKRUPTCY PREVENTION. Is it the raised taxes? I can see that grinding some but it really only affects those making enough money that they shouldn't care too much, I wouldn't if I made over 200,000 a year myself.

I mean unless you just can't stand any form of government expansion, but really I see this helping plenty of people out there. I see this bill aiding those in a time when aid is most appreciated.

 

[David]

the video i posted has all the key points of the bill.

 

[Tyler]

This Health Care Bill is so unConstitutional, read Amendments 9-10 of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Amendment 9:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


Do you see what I mean? They're violating the Constitution by passing this Health Care Bill, don't re-elect these corrupted Congress men who signed and agreed to this unConstitutional Bill.

Yes, true true. However, if people just went with that, then so many things we have would be considered unconstitutional; vehicle insurance, social security, the Federal Reserve (Bank of the US, BUS), etc. The thing is there is a part of the Constitution that gives the federal government implied powers that allow them to pass laws that help the people and upholds the Constitution. This was a huge discussion in the 1800s, which led to the constant adding and removal of the BUS and this continued until the Civil War.

So if it can be proven that the bill isn't an implied power and violates the Constitution, then I suppose they'll get rid of that. Hwoever, that's going to be a pretty hard case to backup.

 

[Sporge27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8&feature=player_embedded

watch

the US is so *censored.3.0*ed up.

Somehow I don't trust that... the vids on the side are about Obama admitting to being a Muslim... which I don't remember ever happening...

 

[Sporge27]

the video i posted has all the key points of the bill.

Wait this is an old bill anyway... this is the one from August it definitely changed. Besides that some of those quotes I am fairly certain are taken out of context.

 

[David]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8&feature=player_embedded

watch

the US is so *censored.3.0*ed up.

Somehow I don't trust that... the vids on the side are about Obama admitting to being a Muslim... which I don't remember ever happening...

thats a different channel. and its one video,

 

[Sporge27]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8&feature=player_embedded

watch

the US is so *censored.3.0*ed up.

Somehow I don't trust that... the vids on the side are about Obama admitting to being a Muslim... which I don't remember ever happening...

thats a different channel. and its one video,

There were two... >_>

But besides that this is the bill from August, and on top of that taking lines out of context really makes them seem awful. I can do that most things... For example

"We collect your personal information because it helps us deliver a superior level of customer service."- Apple
"We may share aggregate statistics about iGoogle usage with our business partners." -google

"NEITHER WE NOR OUR FRANCHISEES, AFFILIATES OR BUSINESS PARTNERS WILL BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE OUR WEB SITE, EVEN IF WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES." - Applebees

You can really make a lot of legal quotes seem bad when in practice you never notice, and can you guess which one I cut out so you don't read the sentence after that really makes it okay?

Also if you are gonna watch that vid at least read an article about what the CURRENT bill will do.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html

I tried to choose a normally unbiased newsgroup... I don't think CBS is considered biased...

 

[John102]

Lol, looking into a career as a doctor would be beneficial right about now

 

[Bacon Boy]

Lol, looking into a career as a doctor would be beneficial right about now

Depends. If the IRS decides to get cheap OWAI-

 

[John102]

I'm just depressed that it will take basically as long as it does now to see a specialist(physical therapist, sports doctor), as it will to see a normal doctor when this bill gets into action...which could be like weeks or months.

 

[Ron Ronaldo]

I feel kind of bad for this bill.
Conseratives want it to spontaneously combust, and flaming liberals like myself are like "HEY BRO WHERE'S THE PUBLIC OPTION?"

Poor little guy. :<

 

[Pear]

I feel kind of bad for this bill.
Conseratives want it to spontaneously combust, and flaming liberals like myself are like "HEY BRO WHERE'S THE PUBLIC OPTION?"

Poor little guy. :<

Exactly, both sides dislike it. Dems in congress keep trying to appease conservatives, and guess what, they still got 0 votes. It might actually be worth something if it had the public option. :/

 

[Ron Ronaldo]

I feel kind of bad for this bill.
Conseratives want it to spontaneously combust, and flaming liberals like myself are like "HEY BRO WHERE'S THE PUBLIC OPTION?"

Poor little guy. :<

Exactly, both sides dislike it. Dems in congress keep trying to appease conservatives, and guess what, they still got 0 votes. It might actually be worth something if it had the public option. :/

I know, right? I don't see how people who oppose it can object to it THAT much. Is a little regulation on the insurance companies such a bad thing?
I was definitely kind of disappointed with it, but in a rare spurt of optimism I see it like a foundation which will hopefully have more built onto it. ^^

 

[Bacon Boy]

I feel kind of bad for this bill.
Conseratives want it to spontaneously combust, and flaming liberals like myself are like "HEY BRO WHERE'S THE PUBLIC OPTION?"

Poor little guy. :<

Exactly, both sides dislike it. Dems in congress keep trying to appease conservatives, and guess what, they still got 0 votes. It might actually be worth something if it had the public option. :/

I know, right? I don't see how people who oppose it can object to it THAT much. Is a little regulation on the insurance companies such a bad thing?
I was definitely kind of disappointed with it, but in a rare spurt of optimism I see it like a foundation which will hopefully have more built onto it. ^^

Little? XDDDDD

Why the hell do you think it took so long to push? This is a huge bill not only affecting insurance companies.

 

[Nic]

I also heard this morning while my parents were talking that he is now letting aliens over and becoming US citizens. That is just a little step more until they nuke us.