Fat Acceptance

[Grumble]

I think everyone knows that type 1 diabetes is not the same thing as type 2...

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Depends where you're buying it I guess.

I mentioned earlier in this thread.

The "I'm fat because I can't afford healthy food" excuse only is valid if you live in a neighborhood where healthy food is actually nonexistent. They're called "food deserts."

The people who use this excuse FAR outnumber the people who this actually applies to. I'm not saying "fat people are lazy" though I know someone will hop in here and say I'm saying that...

But the fact is, it's way easier to buy fast food than it is to cut vegetables and cook 'em up with a nice, healthy protein. :/

And now someone will say, "Nobody has time for that." But you're sitting on an Animal Crossing forum, so.

 

[Shimmer]

I mentioned earlier in this thread.

The "I'm fat because I can't afford healthy food" excuse only is valid if you live in a neighborhood where healthy food is actually nonexistent. They're called "food deserts."

The people who use this excuse FAR outnumber the people who this actually applies to. I'm not saying "fat people are lazy" though I know someone will hop in here and say I'm saying that...

But the fact is, it's way easier to buy fast food than it is to cut vegetables and cook 'em up with a nice, healthy protein. :/

And now someone will say, "Nobody has time for that." But you're sitting on an Animal Crossing forum, so.

They all have time for it, they're just too lazy. Laziness is the excuse 98% of the time, whether they want to admit it or not. Eating healthy takes effort. It's easy to drive to a fast food place and order a burger and get it made for you in a minute.
If you want to eat healthy, you have to spend at least ten minutes to cook a good meal and people just don't want to.

 

[mogyay]

They all have time for it, they're just too lazy. Laziness is the excuse 98% of the time, whether they want to admit it or not. Eating healthy takes effort. It's easy to drive to a fast food place and order a burger and get it made for you in a minute.
If you want to eat healthy, you have to spend at least ten minutes to cook a good meal and people just don't want to.

it's not simply a matter of being 'lazy', healthy food now costs three times as much as it did ten years ago. of course you can make healthy cheap meals (and quickly too) however it shouldn't be cheaper to buy a mcdonalds than a couple bags of vegetables at the local supermarket. personally i think fast food should be taxed a lot more heavily (but as if that would happen)

 

[Shimmer]

it's not simply a matter of being 'lazy', healthy food now costs three times as much as it did ten years ago. of course you can make healthy cheap meals (and quickly too) however it shouldn't be cheaper to buy a mcdonalds than a couple bags of vegetables at the local supermarket. personally i think fast food should be taxed a lot more heavily (but as if that would happen)

It really isn't more. You can buy a can of beans, for example for 80 cents, and you can use that can for two meals. The problem with buying groceries is that you need to plan out a meal plan for the week. You can purchase a head of cauliflower and it will cost you around two bucks maybe, depending on the season and you can use that for at least three meals.

Fast food you buy and that is your meal. You can't use it for more than one meal, unless you truly don't eat much. xP

That's why spending 20 bucks (or however much you spend on groceries) at once seems like "a lot" but if you add up the amount you are spending at the end of the week on fast food and compare it to whatever you could spend on groceries for the week, you are saving money by buying groceries.

 

[mogyay]

It really isn't more. You can buy a can of beans, for example for 80 cents, and you can use that can for two meals. The problem with buying groceries is that you need to plan out a meal plan for the week. You can purchase a head of cauliflower and it will cost you around two bucks maybe, depending on the season and you can use that for at least three meals.

Fast food you buy and that is your meal. You can't use it for more than one meal, unless you truly don't eat much. xP

That's why spending 20 bucks (or however much you spend on groceries) at once seems like "a lot" but if you add up the amount you are spending at the end of the week on fast food and compare it to whatever you could spend on groceries for the week, you are saving money by buying groceries.

A can of beans isn't going to feed a family of four for two days. A can of beans, some mince, rice and vegetables might, but buying a couple of frozen pizzas is cheaper. A family in poverty isn't planning a week in advance, sometimes they can't even afford to think a day in advance

 

[MozzarellaSticks]

Can we stop replying to MayorEvie? I think we all don't agree. No need to drag it out. Thanks.

 

[dawsoncreek]

..To be honest, I don't care if you're fat or skinny..if you play animal crossing than you cool to me...what is fat acceptance anyway?...do we have animal crossing acceptance?..I mean, I was at the doctors office waiting to get a flu shot and I took out my 3DS and started watering my plants while I was in the waiting room...I ignored all the side eyes...I could feel everyone looking at me, judging me..thinking to themselves look at her grown azz playing video games..so yeah...I need animal crossing acceptance..

 

[Grumble]

A can of beans isn't going to feed a family of four for two days. A can of beans, some mince, rice and vegetables might, but buying a couple of frozen pizzas is cheaper. A family in poverty isn't planning a week in advance, sometimes they can't even afford to think a day in advance

So I did this:

1 15oz can of black beans in seasoned sauce (preferably low sodium but whatever)
2 cups of rice (makes 6 cooked)
2.5 tsp minced garlic
1 tsp ground cayenne pepper
1 tsp cumin
1 white or yellow onion, chopped finely

Cook the rice.

Put everything else in a pot and put it on low heat stirring occasionally until your rice is done.

Put the beans on the rice. Serves 4+. Large servings. This is not a diet food. It's high in protein and it will fill you up. It's poor people food. You won't get fat eating this for dinner, but you likely won't lose weight either. I am very acquainted with eating poor people food like this. It has been my life until very recently. I still eat this regularly, though. It's just easy.

WHAT YOU BUY:

4 cans of black beans: $3.56
lasts a family of 4: 4 dinners.
Price per dinner: $0.89

1 5lb bag of white rice: $2.98
lasts a family of 4: 5 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.60

32 oz already minced garlic: $3.98
lasts a family of 4: ~100 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.04 (SAVE by buying garlic and mincing 1-2 cloves on your own)

1 oz ground cayenne pepper: $2.96
lasts a family of 4: 12 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.25

2 oz cumin: $2.48
lasts a family of 4: 28 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.09

4 onions: ~$2.00
lasts a family of 4: 4 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.50

TOTAL COST FOR A DINNER FOR FOUR: $2.37

Total cost of ONE store-brand frozen pizza: $4.50 (if your family of 4 is eating two, they are overeating)

If you buy those really terrible "Party Pizzas" that are $1.50 each, you're STILL paying more for two pizzas!

So, you're wrong.

If a meal can be made with rice in it, then it can be made cheaply.
Beans are high in protein, and cheaper than meat.
Poor people can eat 'til they're full for cheaper than they can eating junk food.

And there ARE food deserts. There are people who cannot get to a supermarket by bicycle and MUST shop in convenience stores or fast food places. Convenience stores sell healthy food, but their fruit cups, salads, etc are very expensive compared to grocery shopping. They do exist. Not everyone is being lazy. But the people who are claiming they are in food deserts/can't afford good food in their area, are usually not knowledgeable about poor people food like I am.

Poor people food doesn't have to be macaroni and cheese and crappy $1.50 pizzas.

Love,
THE QUEEN OF POOR GIRL EATING!
Ask me about my poor girl sushi, go ahead. You know you want to.

**NOTE**
Yeah, food costs are different everywhere. But so are the costs of junk food. If your price of junk food is lower, then your price of good food is likely lower, too.

 

[Tao]

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Depends where you're buying it I guess.

That's just a biased comparison. One 'unhealthy' meal for 4 from a takeaway is obviously going to cost more than the base ingredients for a few days of healthy self prepared eating from a store. I mean, that picture is an entirely different debate altogether.

 

[mogyay]

So I did this:

1 15oz can of black beans in seasoned sauce (preferably low sodium but whatever)
2 cups of rice (makes 6 cooked)
2.5 tsp minced garlic
1 tsp ground cayenne pepper
1 tsp cumin
1 white or yellow onion, chopped finely

Cook the rice.

Put everything else in a pot and put it on low heat stirring occasionally until your rice is done.

Put the beans on the rice. Serves 4+. Large servings. This is not a diet food. It's high in protein and it will fill you up. It's poor people food. You won't get fat eating this for dinner, but you likely won't lose weight either. I am very acquainted with eating poor people food like this. It has been my life until very recently. I still eat this regularly, though. It's just easy.

WHAT YOU BUY:

4 cans of black beans: $3.56
lasts a family of 4: 4 dinners.
Price per dinner: $0.89

1 5lb bag of white rice: $2.98
lasts a family of 4: 5 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.60

32 oz already minced garlic: $3.98
lasts a family of 4: ~100 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.04 (SAVE by buying garlic and mincing 1-2 cloves on your own)

1 oz ground cayenne pepper: $2.96
lasts a family of 4: 12 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.25

2 oz cumin: $2.48
lasts a family of 4: 28 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.09

4 onions: ~$2.00
lasts a family of 4: 4 dinners
Price per dinner: $0.50

TOTAL COST FOR A DINNER FOR FOUR: $2.37

Total cost of ONE store-brand frozen pizza: $4.50 (if your family of 4 is eating two, they are overeating)

If you buy those really terrible "Party Pizzas" that are $1.50 each, you're STILL paying more for two pizzas!

So, you're wrong.

If a meal can be made with rice in it, then it can be made cheaply.
Beans are high in protein, and cheaper than meat.
Poor people can eat 'til they're full for cheaper than they can eating junk food.

And there ARE food deserts. There are people who cannot get to a supermarket by bicycle and MUST shop in convenience stores or fast food places. Convenience stores sell healthy food, but their fruit cups, salads, etc are very expensive compared to grocery shopping. They do exist. Not everyone is being lazy. But the people who are claiming they are in food deserts/can't afford good food in their area, are usually not knowledgeable about poor people food like I am.

Poor people food doesn't have to be macaroni and cheese and crappy $1.50 pizzas.

Love,
THE QUEEN OF POOR GIRL EATING!
Ask me about my poor girl sushi, go ahead. You know you want to.

**NOTE**
Yeah, food costs are different everywhere. But so are the costs of junk food. If your price of junk food is lower, then your price of good food is likely lower, too.

i forgot to mention that a lot of single mothers on low incomes don't have the energy or time to cook from scratch but that's a lot of work you put into that lol. i think you're overthinking it a bit anyway, it's not an individual problem it's a structural problem imo, but thanks for the input, you're right, (also pizza where i live is ?1 while everything you mentioned is a LOT more but i do live in quite a poor area where obesity is high). also your convenience stores/grocery sound a hella lot different from mine... but i'd like to add your preaching to the converted lmao (i'd hate to think u spent a while typing that out is all), i appreciate the effort you put in but i'm fortunately well off enough to buy healthily just speaking as someone who does a class in sociology

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oh also u forgot to add the mince, while not like necessary a lot of people over here like to add meat into a dinner esp for their children

 

[Tao]

(also pizza where i live is ?1 while everything you mentioned is a LOT more but i do live in quite a poor area where obesity is high).

Or you can get a bag of frozen turkey dinosaurs for ?1.

Or a bag of smiley faces for ?1.

Or a stupidly big bag of frozen chips that will last longer than you will.

Or like 32 square sausages. You know you grew up poor when you know square sausages are a thing (and they're bloody awful).


The stuff that's barely even food that comes in bulk and can be stored frozen for roughly 12 millenniums is just convenient, very low cost for what you get, feeds a family of four for multiple meals and is has variety.



Plus, smiley faces are like the greatest thing done to a potato next to mashing them.

 

[mogyay]

Or you can get a bag of frozen turkey dinosaurs for ?1.

Or a bag of smiley faces for ?1.

Or a stupidly big bag of frozen chips that will last longer than you will.

Or like 32 square sausages. You know you grew up poor when you know square sausages are a thing (and they're bloody awful).


The stuff that's barely even food that comes in bulk and can be stored frozen for roughly 12 millenniums is just convenient, very low cost for what you get, feeds a family of four for multiple meals and is has variety.



Plus, smiley faces are like the greatest thing done to a potato next to mashing them.

square sausages are like part of our culture where i live lmao (along with battered pizza) and potato smiles/waffles are what got me through uni!!!!! /no regrets and yet a salad from sainsburies is ?3 it makes a whole lot of sense

 

[Tao]

square sausages are like part of our culture where i live lmao (along with battered pizza) and potato smiles/waffles are what got me through uni!!!!! /no regrets and yet a salad from sainsburies is ?3 it makes a whole lot of sense

I don't go to Sainsbury's, but a ready made salad is like ?2.50 in ASDA, so it's almost as bad.


Or you could go to Greggs and get 2 pasties for ?1...Or 2 sausage rolls. OR 4 jam doughnuts.


TAKE THAT, ASDA SALAD!

 

[AmaiiTenshii]

god damn am i gonna have to be the one person here who's now not arguing about prices of food? fine. i'm kinda chubby myself, but it in no way affects my life negatively aside from ****boys and the like not finding me attractive which i'm fine with because i'd rather not be with someone solely for my body. even though i wouldnt get attention for my body even if i was super skinny- which i was at one point -because i have an unfortunate chest and wide hips and it kinda looks weird regardless.

i dont blame anyone for my weight or think negatively about myself, really, and i kinda like how i look even though i do have my off days like everyone else.

i feel like someone's body is their own business and if they wanna be 700 pounds or 70, their choice. yeah it might be unhealthy, but in the end? it's not your body so you dont get the right to dictate.

i have similar views on other things because i keep to myself most of the time, but i think it makes sense.

really, what does it matter to you if someone's body is over/under what you deem acceptable? you're not them, you're probably not taking care of them, and likely you're not dating them either.

if you're not directly involved in that person's life via something like being immediate family or being married or whatever else, how is it your business what they eat, look like, weigh, how healthy they are, etc?

idk. just my views i guess.

cue the hatred.

 

[PandaNikita]

It definitely depends on where you are located to determine if "healthy" food is actually cheaper than "junk" food. Imoved to California about 5 years ago with my parents because our house was under foreclosure in Colorado and we had family out here. Not going into personal details but my parents were both unemployed, we were technically homeless, and we quite literally lived off the change in our pockets. I remember my first meal in the office we stayed at was some korean cereal from H Mart and a little carton of milk, my parents didn't eat with me. We didn't have any kitchen in this office. We had a mini fridge of about 8 cubic feet and a microwave so cooking things was definitely not easy. My dad would volunteer for the VA (veterans of america) hospital for at least 4 hours a day to get a $5.50 food voucher to feed himself for the day. He's a veteran and was getting help from the VA hospital to help him find a job. I had free lunch from high school so that was my meal and I would eat at my cousin's house when it was time for dinner. He got approved for food stamps for $360 a month. We spent about $10 on food a day from Fresh & Easy (a health food store that had microwavable dinners). He had a job offer for Kuwait and since we were struggling he wanted to leave for that job, but after a few months of interviews with this other job he finally got it and we had a little less of a struggle to fill our bellies for the day. I don't really ever tell people this story because it's personal. You CANNOT just assume people are unhealthy or fat because they are lazy. You absolutely do not know what the hell is going on in their life. Some might be lazy but there are some who have very limited living situations that they do not want to sit down and share with you. It's hard for people to plan out their meals when they don't have the money to buy the ingredients in the first place and most of their worry goes to whether or not they're sleeping safe tonight. If you only have a microwave to cook your food or no fridge then you're reduced down to buying junk food and surviving off that. Please consider that not everyone has a great financial situation. Always be considerate of the possibilities of their unhealthy habits and try to be supportive for the healthy change they can make. Also be generous with your food, you never know when the next time that person will have a meal.

 

[pearly19]

I read through all the responses up until page 22 where I will write my answer to the op
The following are my opinions and views to fat acceptance and beauty standards.
If you disagree, you are by all means, freely to do so. However, please
do not try to accuse me of hating fat people because I really dont.
Being fat has nothing to do with me disliking you or a reason for
me not to be your friend. Only your personality and heart does. : ]
I will warn that even though you do not agree with me and express
that difference in opinion, I most likely wont change many of
what I prefer or think.
Fat acceptance and beauty standards... hmmm...

Those who genetically have slow metabolism or have the "fat gene" no matter how much
they control their diet and exercise, they grow fat, then I will accept them no matter
what since it really isnt in their control.

obesity/morbid, anorexia is obviously a medical/health problem.. will lead to their
death faster perhaps, and I will tell to those of the people I care about to get help.
Some say to leave them alone and its their body/life but it actually gets to me if
they are my family members, fiance/husband, and very close friends. Even if
they grow to hate me, until they say they dont want to be with me/stop being
friends with me/leave me physically, I will never stop trying.
My father has had a heart attack and many allergies. He's not obese nor morbidly
obese but he is fat. He is one of those people that find it hard to exercise
and eat right because he hates it, its difficult, and uses being fat as an excuse.
My doctor tells him he must start eating right (which he finally has) and exercise,
he must lose the fat for his own good. So yeah because he's my own father
and I cant bare seeing him get ill I will continue to encourage him.
My two good friends and roomies are fat/overweight but do not have any
severe health conditions. I dont approve of what they eat so
I cook and shop for groceries with them. I also share my food with them
because that is my way of caring for them. I dont just want to have
girl talks, hang out, and study together. I want them to eat
good healthy food if I am eating it because I know its good.

I dont believe that the price, healthy food is expensive, that is reason
not buy and eat them. I personally work and spend money on food
that is healthy because it is worth it. I would love for America to
start working so that people could afford healthy food or bring
down the cost of healthy food.

I will care if I notice you (if you are my friend, family member, someone I care about)
being depressed, self degrading, low self esteem, stressed, cry about
being fat. I will take you to gym or find some way to help you lose
fat and get you where you want to be. However, if you are fat
but eat well and exercise then I will be proud of you. I havent
met a case like that yet but maybe I will someday.

I care that those around me keep good & basic hygiene and dress appropriately.
Meaning I care that you brush your hair and wash you face& teeth if
we are hanging outside in a public place. I do not want to see you in clothes
that are worn out, colors/design so faded from the original state
when bought, torn /holed (few of my guy friends have holes in their
socks stating no one will really look), smelly etc. If I find
your wardrobe is not varied or you do not own clothing that
bring out your best feature/complement your overall appearance,
then I will gift you clothes every chance I get (bday, xmas, new years,
social events, etc). Basically, you can wear whatever you want
most of the time but when the occasion calls for it, I desire you to be able to
dress up or suitably, especially if it is when Im taking you
to a social outing or party where you can possibly find
someone to date if I find that you want to date someone. That and
a social networking meeting/event where you can find a
potential employer who wants you.

I like shopping with people to dress them up and find clothes to
really show their attractive features/points. I get happy
when they buy the clothes, happy with it, and wear the
clothes I have given/chosen as a present or askedrecommended/
persuaded to buy.

I wont be physically attracted to and date fat guys because that's really my personal
preference. I want my guy to be fit and/or be willing to live a healthy lifestyle because
that will make me worry/stress less. My boyfriend irl actually has whos 6'1 has
extremely fast metabolism and a little underweight. Doctor and his parents have
assured me his metabolism will go away when he hits 30. Still I really care to feed
and cook for him well. Treat him to healthy food and he has gained 5 pounds.
I know that that's his max and eventually it will slow down (all the men in his
family were skinny, tall, fast metabolism, and underweight when they were young
like him) but that doesnt stop me : 3 He avoided exercising and eating right
before he met me. I told him it really matters that he exercises and
eats right so he has been doing so. Im happy that he has decided to do so
because I can exercise with him, cook him healthy food to eat.

Yes I have a standard of beauty to the guy I date and for myself as well.
I believe that I can have a standard of beauty, but i will not
use it judge, bring you down, make fun of you, make you less human
or think that you are.
Maybe most people wont like that I do have a standard of beauty
but oh well.
However, it does not mean that just because you are fat that I
think you are ugly, not fit to be my friend, or unlikeable.
We will be great friends regardless of your physical appearance:
if you you are fat, skinny, tall, short its not a problem in
becoming friends with you!

I also think that talking about issues that people deem as controversial,
uncomfortable, or topics that start heated/passionate/ and
sometimes fights that result in insulting each other should NOT
be avoided. I think those are elements to give reason
to talk about these things openly. People just need to
have an open mind, find away to express their views without
down grading others or implying their view is right. If they
are sensitive and uncivil at first, they can learn to stop making
assumptions that upset them. Having a discussion online
is a challenge because you cannot see the person behind
the keys or the screens of the electronic device they are using.
You cannot hear their tone of voice or see their facial
expressions. Thus, patience is required to talk through
everyone, gain their trust and help them see that
no one is trying to insult them or make them feel terrible.
I dont think threads like this should be closed down, ever!
It helps see others what people think and give them more
material to help shape/inform/influence their views/decisions.

 

[hemming1996]

square sausages are like part of our culture where i live lmao (along with battered pizza) and potato smiles/waffles are what got me through uni!!!!! /no regrets and yet a salad from sainsburies is ?3 it makes a whole lot of sense

But salads are so easy to make? It only takes me 5 minutes to put in a bag of lettuce, cut up tomatoes and cucumber and add salt,oil and vinegar. And a huge bowl of that would last longer than junk food and keep you full. Potato smiles and Turkey dinosaurs aren't that bad though, I ate those when I was young.

 

[nintendofan85]

I believe health is important, but I respect anyone who may not be in the best of health.

 

[milkyi]

Don't let other people determine your self worth, only your opinion matters! In the words of Amethyst, "Don't let anyone make you feel like garbage."

 

[mogyay]

But salads are so easy to make? It only takes me 5 minutes to put in a bag of lettuce, cut up tomatoes and cucumber and add salt,oil and vinegar. And a huge bowl of that would last longer than junk food and keep you full. Potato smiles and Turkey dinosaurs aren't that bad though, I ate those when I was young.

yeah it was a joke!!! i'm talking about the pre made ones that have a ridiculous mark up (ps u put salt in ur salad????)