Do you have a faith?

[Josh]

The reason I am atheist is that there are too many contradicting facts and philosophies in Religion in general that I cannot see the grain of truth behind the millions of grains of mis-understandings.

Truth? By truth you mean evidence right?
If you do, The Bible, Egypt, Miracles and much more.

If not then screw me.

 

[Slickyrider]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

That's what we believe <_<

So let's say that before Hitler died, he repented and prayed to Jayzus to forgive him. He goes on to hell to live in bliss. Now, let's look at Bil Gates, (an atheist.) He has done a lot for the American economy, he's a genius obviously, and he has donated over 30 billion dollars to charity. He doesn't believe, so he will burn in hell, while demons eat him alive, in a never ending fire. Picture it. Imagine good people like that in Hell. Imagine all of the Jews that suffered under the hands of Hitler, dying in gas chambers with their families. Image those peaceful people in Hell right now, suffering even more, just for not praying to Jesus. The thought of that is absolutely vomit inducing.

Hitler will go to hell since just saying a simple prayer won't get him out of hell, He also killed different types of people like Disabled, homosexual, blacks, blue eyes, blonds, Jews and people he didn't like.

Now Bill Gates, He's done a lot for the world yeah that's great. But I'm sure (or not sure) if he's saying things like "God isn't real, He doesn't exist! Everybody who believes in God is stupid and God is the devil!" and all *censored.2.0* like that then of course he'll go to hell for doubting. There's a difference between doubting and being sure and being unsure about it.
Also Jesus was a Jew, Why would all of the Jews in the holocaust go to hell? They didn't do anything but be Jewish.

And go ahead vomit, It won't change anything.

Haha, wonderful, Josh, you've brought up another topic.

Jesus was a practicing Jew. As a matter of fact, he was a Rabbi in the area around Lake Kinnereth. Just making sure that gets out there.

Also, Josh brought up another topic: there is a difference between doubting and being unsure. If Bill Gates said things like "*censored.3.0* God! God isn't real, and all theists are ********!" Yes, he would be punished by God. Being unsure of God's existence is simply being unsure, you're not insulting anyone.

 

[Josh]

Well from my understanding, Jews denied Jesus and thought that he was fake. The bible also says that the only way to god is through the son (Which really makes no sense at all).

In the Bible times, That's waay far from the holocaust.

 

[Bacon Boy]

Someone once made the comment that God can do anything, but it was argued that God could do evil. The other one went on to say this is not true. Evil, like darkness and cold, is a non thing. It is the absence of good. Evil was "created" by man when he stepped away from goodness. God can do any thing, non things, which don't technically exist, cannot be performed by God. Non things cannot be created, darkness cannot be created, cold cannot be created. They are merely the absences of things.

Don't really know who I was talking to, but someone's post reminded me of this.

 

[moonlight33]

The reason I am atheist is that there are too many contradicting facts and philosophies in Religion in general that I cannot see the grain of truth behind the millions of grains of mis-understandings.

Truth? By truth you mean evidence right?
If you do, The Bible, Egypt, Miracles and much more.

If not then screw me.

All religions have "evidence"

 

[Slickyrider]

Something a bit off-topic, that most people do not know:

Egypt is currently called Egypt. In the time of the Bible, the official name of Egypt was not Egypt, nor Mitzrayim, nothing of the sort. "Mitzrayim" is the name that the Jewish Bible gave that land, because the Hebrew word "Mezer" means oppression. "Mitzrayim", meaning "The Land of Oppression".

 

[[Nook]]

Does this happen every single time a thread comes across a theme change focusing on Christianity?

 

[Sporge27]

The reason I am atheist is that there are too many contradicting facts and philosophies in Religion in general that I cannot see the grain of truth behind the millions of grains of mis-understandings.

Truth? By truth you mean evidence right?
If you do, The Bible, Egypt, Miracles and much more.

If not then screw me.

No he means that there are so many different religions, that say extraordinarily different things.

If you say the Bible is proof then what of the many other holy books in the world? Are all the others fake? What makes the Bible the one that is right?

A book is no more proof than correlation is causation. It can make something seem reasonable, even seem right , but it is not necessarily true.

Also not sure how Egypt is proof...

 

[Slickyrider]

Someone once made the comment that God can do anything, but it was argued that God could do evil. The other one went on to say this is not true. Evil, like darkness and cold, is a non thing. It is the absence of good. Evil was "created" by man when he stepped away from goodness. God can do any thing, non things, which don't technically exist, cannot be performed by God. Non things cannot be created, darkness cannot be created, cold cannot be created. They are merely the absences of things.

Don't really know who I was talking to, but someone's post reminded me of this.

This is something for Atheists to think about. Cold is the absence of heat. Darkness is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good. God can do, God cannot undo.

 

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inb4lock

You cannot argue religion because no one knows for sure what is true.

I'm probably an idiot for saying this.

 

[moonlight33]

Can god create a rock that is too heavy for him to lift?

 

[Marcus]

The reason I am atheist is that there are too many contradicting facts and philosophies in Religion in general that I cannot see the grain of truth behind the millions of grains of mis-understandings.

Truth? By truth you mean evidence right?
If you do, The Bible, Egypt, Miracles and much more.

If not then screw me.

No he means that there are so many different religions, that say extraordinarily different things.

If you say the Bible is proof then what of the many other holy books in the world? Are all the others fake? What makes the Bible the one that is right?

A book is no more proof than correlation is causation. It can make something seem reasonable, even seem right , but it is not necessarily true.

Also not sure how Egypt is proof...

I must thank Sporge for answering for me, in better words than I ever could have used.

Truth is completely different from evidence. Evidence can be incorrect, false, misleading. Truth is the truth, and is never incorrect, false or misleading.

 

[Slickyrider]

Can god create a rock that is too heavy for him to lift?

Yes, God can. God created the Earth, which God, as a spiritual entity, cannot lift. God is a spiritual entity, and you must accept that. No physical entity can lift the Earth.

Therefore, what is your point?

 

[Liv]

Personally, I think this topic should have never been made. Everyone has different life styles that shape their beliefs. Different family histories, different stories different ancestors. Bottom-line is that everyone thinks different things about this topic. Will everyone ever agree? Probably not.

 

[Princess]

In my eyes, religion was just made as to tell others between what's right and what's wrong. In some sense, to establish a type of society with rules. Now everyone has different view points, and that's why I believe there's so many different religions.

As for me, personally I do believe in God. But I don't believe God is some dude with long brown hair, or someone who is all blue and plays the flute, that's going to come out of nowhere and save you. I believe God is energy. Good karma.

 

[muffun]

I can't say I consider myself tied down to a single faith.

However, that's not to say I don't find learning about religion interesting. I just don't want to be a part of it. Look but don't touch.

 

[Josh]

The reason I am atheist is that there are too many contradicting facts and philosophies in Religion in general that I cannot see the grain of truth behind the millions of grains of mis-understandings.

Truth? By truth you mean evidence right?
If you do, The Bible, Egypt, Miracles and much more.

If not then screw me.

No he means that there are so many different religions, that say extraordinarily different things.

If you say the Bible is proof then what of the many other holy books in the world? Are all the others fake? What makes the Bible the one that is right?

A book is no more proof than correlation is causation. It can make something seem reasonable, even seem right , but it is not necessarily true.

Also not sure how Egypt is proof...

I must thank Sporge for answering for me, in better words than I ever could have used.

Truth is completely different from evidence. Evidence can be incorrect, false, misleading. Truth is the truth, and is never incorrect, false or misleading.

There will be other religions but of course, We don't know which one is right, We can only believe.
But whatever, I'll stop since I really need to sleep

 

[Sporge27]

Someone once made the comment that God can do anything, but it was argued that God could do evil. The other one went on to say this is not true. Evil, like darkness and cold, is a non thing. It is the absence of good. Evil was "created" by man when he stepped away from goodness. God can do any thing, non things, which don't technically exist, cannot be performed by God. Non things cannot be created, darkness cannot be created, cold cannot be created. They are merely the absences of things.

Don't really know who I was talking to, but someone's post reminded me of this.

This is something for Atheists to think about. Cold is the absence of heat. Darkness is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good. God can do, God cannot undo.

Evil to me seems palpable. To kill is an act, it is a physical thing. To cheat on your wife is not the lack of not cheating... that just gets filled with double negatives.

There is a grey area that isn't good or evil, there is most certainly a neutrality that most things are. Good and evil cannot be done by things without the ability to differentiate between the two. I think viewing the world in black and white is a dangerous thing, because almost no act is entirely good or evil. Good is often done for selfish reason as well as the non selfish, evil can be done out of desperation to do good for someone.

 

[moonlight33]

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

 

[Bacon Boy]

Can god create a rock that is too heavy for him to lift?

Yes, God can. God created the Earth, which God, as a spiritual entity, cannot lift. God is a spiritual entity, and you must accept that. No physical entity can lift the Earth.

Therefore, what is your point?

The physical laws don't exist in the spiritual realm. Most of these rules that we have discovered only govern our universe. How do we know that there isn't a universe out there that defies our laws of gravity and time?