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Debate: Vaccines

People say its horrible to force humans to get vaccines, so its your choice, but then society may say it should be mandatory because it may cause bad health. so really its kind of a constant tug of war.
Weather it becomes mandatory or stays un-mandatory, society will constantly get in an uproar, its inevitable.
 
Brackets said:
I don't really get what you're trying to say. (And I just asked a question and you didn't answer it) Yes, I think not vaccinating your children is a stupid decision and it should be looked into. Why is it wrong for people to intervene if parents do something stupid? There are plenty of other stupid decisions parents can make - if the police saw parents not using a seatbelt on their children because they can't be bothered, they would intervene and fine them. Why is endangering your children by not vaccinating any different?
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Your seatbelt analogy isn't legit. Since not vaccinating your children isn't illegal, you could only compare it against something that is also legal, whereas since not wearing your seatbelt is already illegal. Therefore your analogy is illogical because it relies on the belief that vaccinations should be mandatory to be true (which is the core topic of the debate). Since your analogy tries to support that belief, it doesn't really work (think the bible is true because it says so in the bible sort of situation).

However I have to agree with you in a way, because I believe it is the responsibility of the state to protect its people, in this case, from each other. But I think that the idea of the parents losing responsibility of their children to the state comes close to crossing the line of children being raised by the government. Should parents be punished for messing up (when not breaking the law)? I think not. Should vaccines be mandatory? Perhaps so.
 
Spoopy Christe said:
People say its horrible to force humans to get vaccines, so its your choice, but then society may say it should be mandatory because it may cause bad health. so really its kind of a constant tug of war.
Weather it becomes mandatory or stays un-mandatory, society will constantly get in an uproar, its inevitable.
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Maybe we just need more clear science that its undisputable. Or maybe when there are religious foundations to reject vaccines, we need to be patient for religion to evolve to a point where it can change the position on vaccines.

Its kinda like other issues which took a long time to get a general consensus. Like all sorts of equality rights in the world. Maybe sometimes science runs to far ahead of the pack, making it having to wait for the general public to catch up and accept the new premises. In a way it always does that ofcourse, but sometimes a new discovery or breakthrough is a bigger footstep away then another one.
 
If a child dies or becomes seriously ill from a sickness because the parents did not get their children vaccinated through their own choice, then they deserve to have their children taken away. They have proven themselves unfit to competently care for another human being.
 
Murray said:
Your seatbelt analogy isn't legit. Since not vaccinating your children isn't illegal, you could only compare it against something that is also legal, whereas since not wearing your seatbelt is already illegal. Therefore your analogy is illogical because it relies on the belief that vaccinations should be mandatory to be true (which is the core topic of the debate). Since your analogy tries to support that belief, it doesn't really work (think the bible is true because it says so in the bible sort of situation).

However I have to agree with you in a way, because I believe it is the responsibility of the state to protect its people, in this case, from each other. But I think that the idea of the parents losing responsibility of their children to the state comes close to crossing the line of children being raised by the government. Should parents be punished for messing up (when not breaking the law)? I think not. Should vaccines be mandatory? Perhaps so.
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Yes well that's what I'm kindof saying - not vaccinating your children is endangering their health, like not wearing a seatbelt, so it should ideally be illegal too. I think I worded it quite badly though, to be fair. And when I say lose responsibility, I just mean over that decision, not the whole responsibility for the child. It's not like they'd be taken away.

But anyway it's all kindof a moot point because really if it's made mandatory then there'd be a huge backlash and things would probably become worse than they already are. Our best bet is probably trying to educate the public and stop giving people like Jenny McCarthy a platform to voice their ridiculous opinions.
 
Brackets said:
Yes well that's what I'm kindof saying - not vaccinating your children is endangering their health, like not wearing a seatbelt, so it should ideally be illegal too. I think I worded it quite badly though, to be fair. And when I say lose responsibility, I just mean over that decision, not the whole responsibility for the child. It's not like they'd be taken away.

But anyway it's all kindof a moot point because really if it's made mandatory then there'd be a huge backlash and things would probably become worse than they already are. Our best bet is probably trying to educate the public and stop giving people like Jenny McCarthy a platform to voice their ridiculous opinions.
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ppl on tbt need to be vaccinated against rabies bcuz of u
 
Too bad so many of the people on this thread are unfit and/or unable to have a constructive debate, because this subject is something that really needs to get some attention.

And please stop with the "PANDEMONIUM! MURDERERS! EVERYONE DIES!"-crap.
Thank you.
 
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Brackets said:
... is anyone saying that? !
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I was paraphrasing. Surely you can see that? There has been numerous of people here calling people murderers for not vaccinating their kids. That is not debating.

Edit: Love your new avatar. I prefer Agaetis Byrjun, though. :)

Norski said:
PANDEMONIUM! MURDERERS! EVERYONE DIES!
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Lol, though.
 
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Stalfos said:
I was paraphrasing. Surely you can see that? There has been numerous of people here calling people murderers for not vaccinating their kids. That is not debating.

Edit: Love your new avatar. I prefer Agaetis Byrjun, though. :)
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yeah ahha I know, but I didn't think many people were going on about that, and to be honest i think the debate here has been quite good (for a thread on TBT anyway :p)
ahh thank you :') i love agaetis byrjun! would be a bit of a mouthful for a username though haha
 
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honestly anti-vaxxers need to stay 230456 feet away from me
 
I don't really see why anyone would not want to be vaccinated. Not only does not being vaccinated put your own health at risk, but it makes other people more likely to get diseases. Some people can't receive vaccinations for a number of reasons, such as people who are too young, too ill, or people with problems with their immune systems. If everyone who is able to have vaccinations chooses to have their injections, herd immunity is more likely to protect the people unable to have vaccinations who may wish to protect themselves but can't. Apologies if this has already been said, I haven't read through the whole thread.
 
I think vaccinations should be compulsory, but there could also be improvements to the system that could help to prevent them from causing other things like autism (if that's even the case). I know my cousin started having symptoms of autism within 24 hours of a vaccination (not sure which one it was), and a friend of mine's brother had the same thing happen. But no link between autism and vaccinations has been discovered yet, so I'm not sure. I mean honestly though, I'd rather risk having autism than risk being infected and infecting others with polio or something.
 
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