Debate: Vaccines

[Dustmop]

It shouldn't be mandatory though, because that crosses a boundary I rather the government not cross. The government shouldn't have that much control over people's body and what they choose to do with it. Just thinking about the government having that much power makes me cringe.

Could not have said that better myself.

Regardless of anyone's feelings on the matter, the idea of it becoming a regulated law and forcing people into it does not sit well with me at all.

 

[Brackets]

RiceBunny, I agree with you. That was a really interesting read, and a well put argument. Btw don't pay any mind to Annachie. From the looks of it she barks at everyone who shares even a slight difference of opinion. It's that kind of behavior that gets good threads like this one closed.

Umm hey have you seen the title of this thread? It's called 'DEBATE: vaccines'. Do you know what a debate is? It's when people put across their different views on a matter. I have not 'barked' or been at all aggressive on this thread. I've not personally attacked anyone. I think some of you need to grow up and learn how to cope when someone disagrees with you.

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Also, I'm glad you liked the read. I personally thought it was a bit too long. And yes, I've noticed that lol I wasn't even going to reply to be honest. It's not worth it, and if fighting happens a mod might come and close the thread. Sometimes it's just better to not feed people like that.

see above: it was a DEBATE. fine if you don't want to have one, but don't act like i'm some nasty troll or something, jesus christ you people are sensitive.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Umm hey have you seen the title of this thread? It's called 'DEBATE: vaccines'. Do you know what a debate is? It's when people put across their different views on a matter. I have not 'barked' or been at all aggressive on this thread. I've not personally attacked anyone. I think some of you need to grow up and learn how to cope when someone disagrees with you.

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see above: it was a DEBATE. fine if you don't want to have one, but don't act like i'm some nasty troll or something, jesus christ you people are sensitive.

stop barking or we will have to muzzle u :')

 

[Brackets]

Could not have said that better myself.

Regardless of anyone's feelings on the matter, the idea of it becoming a regulated law and forcing people into it does not sit well with me at all.

mmmm I don't know though - since most people get most of their important vaccines before they're old enough to have a clue about what's going on, I think it's more of a question of the parent's choice versus the government/doctor/whatever.
I and most other people were vaccinated without being asked first - it was my parents decision. And likewise, if you're not vaccinated when you're young, that's not your choice either, it's the parents. When you're that young, you don't really have control over your body or medical treatment - lailahbells was saying the government shouldn't have control over your body but the fact is you don't anyway when you're that young.

So I think the real question is, should parents get to override what doctors think is best for their children?

 

[aliscka]

I haven't gone back to read everything else in the thread, but I will say that I do think everyone should get vaccines. And, personally, I think that the government should have the ability to force people to have vaccines... sorry, guys!

It's simply because I think it's awful that nearly eradicated diseases are now making a comeback because more and more parents are deciding not to vaccinate their children. I've heard reasons from religious beliefs (which I think should be considered abuse by negligence if the child becomes ill) to possibility of mental disorders/autism (this one will ALWAYS make me angry. It has been stated several times that the study was later proven to be false and that there is NO correlation between vaccines and mental disorders, and yet people continue to believe and spread the false info! Plus, are parents aware that autism is genetic? And that your child won't DEVELOP it, because they are BORN with it? Please love your autistic children no matter what.)

There's also the idea of tragedy of the commons. Parents won't vaccinate their child because they believe all the other parents will, and then their child will be safe from any potential diseases because all the other children will have been vaccinated... except this isn't the case because more and more parents are opting to be "vaccine-free."

Vaccines are good, guys. Shots are good. People need them, and I'm tired of watching children suffer for their parents' stupidity.

 

[Celestefey]

I think vaccination is absolutely necessary! It shouldn't be mandatory though, because that crosses a boundary I rather the government not cross. The government shouldn't have that much control over people's body and what they choose to do with it. Just thinking about the government having that much power makes me cringe.

So you think that vaccines should not be mandatory and therefore endanger masses and masses of people to deadly diseases we could have easily eradicated? Surely we are doing what we think is best for the people here, right, and what is in fact the best choice? Unless people are more than happy to live and die with a painful disease, then, you know...

 

[infinikitten]

stop barking or we will have to muzzle u :')

Bless this post. :')

 

[L. Lawliet]

The govt should force us to get vaccines. id rather get a shot than get measles. its stupid parenting to not get a vaccine for your child. Unless he/she are too weak/young to get them.

It's like this. If Person A doesnt give their child a vaccine, person B's kid with leukemia will get sick because Person A has no regard for other peoples needs.

 

[laineybop]

I have absolutely no problem with whether or not other people decide to vaccinate their children. That's their right as a parent to decide what is best for their child & their family. I had a kid, I vaccinated him, & it was my decision as his mother to do so. What I DO have a problem with is their unvaccinated child coming into contact with a disease that's been virtually killed off in the US & then spreading it to other people. If you want to keep your child vaccine free, fine, do that...But then keep your kid away from everyone else. Homeschool them, stay out of Disneyland, don't bring them to the grocery store & do it without complaint. Because your child is now a danger to all the other children who, for whatever reason, CAN'T be vaccinated. The ones that are too young & the ones that are immune compromised...

 

[tobi!]

I'll throw in my two cents...

I do believe vaccines are good but I don't think they should be forced. However, if your child dies from a disease that could have been prevented...well, who would you blame?

 

[Brackets]

I've been thinking about it and I really do think they should be forced. People say well it's their own fault, but a) it can affect others too, and b) why would you want innocent children to get ill or die because of their parent's idiotic beliefs? It's easy to say 'I told you so, idiots' about the parents, but what about the poor child?

This reminded me of that fiasco in Britain a few years back about that child Neon Roberts who had brain cancer, and his mother tried to stop him getting the radiotherapy he needed because she didn't think it was safe enough. There was a huge court case and she was overruled, the kid was treated and now he's doing well. In my opinion parents should NOT always have all the responsibility and decisions for their children.

 

[Aryxia]

I have absolutely no problem with whether or not other people decide to vaccinate their children. That's their right as a parent to decide what is best for their child & their family. I had a kid, I vaccinated him, & it was my decision as his mother to do so. What I DO have a problem with is their unvaccinated child coming into contact with a disease that's been virtually killed off in the US & then spreading it to other people. If you want to keep your child vaccine free, fine, do that...But then keep your kid away from everyone else. Homeschool them, stay out of Disneyland, don't bring them to the grocery store & do it without complaint. Because your child is now a danger to all the other children who, for whatever reason, CAN'T be vaccinated. The ones that are too young & the ones that are immune compromised...

You. I like you.

 

[DoctorGallifrey]

If you and your child are old enough, then you must get it. In fact, it needs to be mandatory. That way it reduces the chances of you getting it and spreading it further.

I find it funny how when Ebola was a thing, everyone in the US was going crazy and trying to stay as healthy as possible, even though only 5 people were confirmed to have it within our borders. Yet here we are with a disease that was seemingly eradicated in the westernized world that came back out of nowhere, yet people refuse to get a vaccine to keep them safe.

 

[Murray]

This reminded me of that fiasco in Britain a few years back about that child Neon Roberts who had brain cancer, and his mother tried to stop him getting the radiotherapy he needed because she didn't think it was safe enough. There was a huge court case and she was overruled, the kid was treated and now he's doing well. In my opinion parents should NOT always have all the responsibility and decisions for their children.

So who should have responsibility for their children, the state?

 

[Brackets]

So who should have responsibility for their children, the state?

Yes, but only if the parent is making a stupid decision, like in the case I mentioned above, or about vaccines.
However although I think it would be great if vaccines were enforced, it would probably provoke more anti-vaccine protests.

 

[Murray]

Yes, but only if the parent is making a stupid decision, like in the case I mentioned above, or about vaccines.
However although I think it would be great if vaccines were enforced, it would probably provoke more anti-vaccine protests.

So whether you have control/responsibility over your children depends on intelligence? Assuming simplistic terms is what your saying that if a parent makes a decision that is judged to be stupid, they relinquish responsibility for their children? Although I do agree that there are some situations where government control is beneficial in regards to things such as this, I find it hard to believe that enforcing it because a parent is deemed stupid (AKA not agree with the state's views) is right.

 

[Brackets]

So whether you have control/responsibility over your children depends on intelligence? Assuming simplistic terms is what your saying that if a parent makes a decision that is judged to be stupid, they relinquish responsibility for their children? Although I do agree that there are some situations where government control is beneficial in regards to things such as this, I find it hard to believe that enforcing it because a parent is deemed stupid (AKA not agree with the state's views) is right.

I didn't at all say it depended on intelligence (people can be very intelligent and be anti-vaccines), but if a parent makes a, let's say, reckless decision about their child that may endanger the child or other children around it, then why shouldn't the state take control and override that decision, or at least take action?

 

[Murray]

I didn't at all say it depended on intelligence (people can be very intelligent and be anti-vaccines), but if a parent makes a, let's say, reckless decision about their child that may endanger the child or other children around it, then why shouldn't the state take control and override that decision, or at least take action?

You just said the same thing but replaced the word stupid with reckless, so I still stand by what I said.

 

[Brackets]

You just said the same thing but replaced the word stupid with reckless, so I still stand by what I said.

I don't really get what you're trying to say. (And I just asked a question and you didn't answer it) Yes, I think not vaccinating your children is a stupid decision and it should be looked into. Why is it wrong for people to intervene if parents do something stupid? There are plenty of other stupid decisions parents can make - if the police saw parents not using a seatbelt on their children because they can't be bothered, they would intervene and fine them. Why is endangering your children by not vaccinating any different?

 

[KarlaKGB]

i too draw the line at forcing ppl to get vaccinated