Changing skin colour

[peachp1t]

You’re taking what I said completely wrong?

Never once did I said that I think all POC immediately find me racist, ever. go back and read. I also never said that they were being racist against me, so go back and read AGAIN. Putting words in people’s mouths and assuming isn’t a good look.

I have had so many good, great, AMAZING experiences with POC and never in my life would I imply, assume, or flat-out say that they are all racist. Ever. I was bringing up ONE example of when I moved in with a roommate who explicitly said that she wants to k*ll me because I’m white. You can’t tell me that that isn’t valid because you weren’t there.

I don’t dislike her because she’s a POC, and I understand her being wary, I never said I didn’t. I never even brought up that point, actually. The part I don’t like is that she hadn’t said a word to me and automatically wanted to hurt me.

She doesn’t stand for the majority, OBVIOUSLY. That would be absolutely insane. That’s just a stupid thing to assume that I was saying.

If you go back and read, I was saying that I walk on eggshells because I’m uneducated in certain aspects and want to learn how to be better. I brought up her in the statement to go off of the person I was replying to’s post, but not at all to say she was like all POC.

you are completely twisting my words. i never stated that you said youre experiences were racism, it was in response to "i know so many racist/predjudiced black people" from the previous person, a statement which you agreed with.
the second past wasnt even about you, it was my own personal experiences and opinions, only related to your own because of the topic of racism. i also never ever said youre a racist or that you dislike anyone for being poc. if youre referring to my comment about your admittedly racist household, it was just a misunderstanding - my point was you grew up in a racist household and therefore were raised with racist biases, which based on your statements, you go against and thats very good!!

 

[DinoTown]

even if you went by the dictionary definition (which, as peachp1t said, isn't fair, because the dictionary definition was written by white people), comparing the discrimination that black people have faced and still face (slavery, segregation, much more likely to be imprisoned for small crimes, much more likely to face police brutality, workplace discrimination, housing discrimination) to the "discrimination" that white people face from black people (one anecdote of a black dad telling his daughter not to marry a white man? jokes about white people being bad dancers and eating bland food?) is honestly a little bit insulting.

Can you explain why there's a need for racism against white people to not be called racism? Like... what is the actual point is trying to classify it as a different word?

Let's put it this way. Voluntary manslaughter and a mass shooting are two different things, and no-one would try and argue which one is worse, obviously a mass shooting it worse. But they are both still types of murder. So is there a problem with referring to voluntary manslaughter as murder, even though there is a WORSE type of murder? No, you can still call it murder just fine.

Discrimination of white people from a couple of POC and the systematic oppression of POC ae two different things, and no-one would try and argue which one is worse, obviously the systematic oppression of POC is worse. But both are still types or racism. So it there a problem with referring to discrimination of white people from a couple of POC as racism, even though there is a WORSE type of racism? No, you can still call it racism just fine.

 

[EtchaSketch]

you are completely twisting my words. i never stated that you said youre experiences were racism, it was in response to "i know so many racist/predjudiced black people" from the previous person, a statement which you agreed with.
the second past wasnt even about you, it was my own personal experiences and opinions, only related to your own because of the topic of racism.

Please show me where I agreed with that statement. c: I’m gonna need a direct quote, please.

 

[peachp1t]

Please show me where I agreed with that statement. c: I’m gonna need a direct quote, please.

Isn’t it so disgusting how parents can be like this to their own children, and have these views about people who are innocent and cannot control what they look like?

if you say this is not agreeing you are splitting hairs.

 

[EtchaSketch]

if you say this is not agreeing you are splitting hairs.

????? WHAT LOL
How is me saying that it’s disgusting parents CAN (which means COULD, not ARE) be like that agreeing that there are so many racist/prejudiced black people??

 

[DinoTown]

This entire thread has gotten so derailed and starting to crumble that I'm fully expecting the mods to come and close it at any moment, so I'm gonna peace out head to be before anyone else decides to start debating over whether English people should have written the English language or not.

 

[peachp1t]

Can you explain why there's a need for racism against white people to not be called racism? Like... what is the actual point is trying to classify it as a different word?

Let's put it this way. Voluntary manslaughter and a mass shooting are two different things, and no-one would try and argue which one is worse, obviously a mass shooting it worse. But they are both still types of murder. So is there a problem with referring to voluntary manslaughter as murder, even though there is a WORSE type of murder? No, you can still call it murder just fine.

Discrimination of white people from a couple of POC and the systematic oppression of POC ae two different things, and no-one would try and argue which one is worse, obviously the systematic oppression of POC is worse. But both are still types or racism. So it there a problem with referring to discrimination of white people from a couple of POC as racism, even though there is a WORSE type of racism? No, you can still call it racism just fine.

the thing is that youre acting like theyre the same thing. pretending prejudice against white people is racism implies that anti-white sentiments are anywhere on the same level as mass hatred and oppression of poc. its not. thats why it deserves a different word - its not the same thing.
why are you trying to use the same word for the mass oppression of poc as a couple people justifiably disliking white people???

if you would stay civil theres no need for mods to get involved!! im being civil, just disagreeing with you. im not cussing either of you out, calling you names, or saying youre racist - merely politely arguing my opinion.

 

[EtchaSketch]

like that absolutely has nothing to do with that statement AT ALL I was commenting on how both of our parents are sadly that way? And how it’s sad that parents could be that way???

 

[DinoTown]

pretending prejudice against white people is racism

lol 'cause it is

 

[naranjita]

Can you explain why there's a need for racism against white people to not be called racism? Like... what is the actual point is trying to classify it as a different word?

Let's put it this way. Voluntary manslaughter and a mass shooting are two different things, and no-one would try and argue which one is worse, obviously a mass shooting it worse. But they are both still types of murder. So is there a problem with referring to voluntary manslaughter as murder, even though there is a WORSE type of murder? No, you can still call it murder just fine.

Discrimination of white people from a couple of POC and the systematic oppression of POC ae two different things, and no-one would try and argue which one is worse, obviously the systematic oppression of POC is worse. But both are still types or racism. So it there a problem with referring to discrimination of white people from a couple of POC as racism, even though there is a WORSE type of racism? No, you can still call it racism just fine.

I'm sorry, I don't follow your example. you're arguing against the need for there to be a unique word for the discrimination that black people face... by citing an example of a type of crime that does have a unique word to refer to it? I don't get it.

anyway, the reason discrimination against white people (hell, I'd even hesitate to call the examples I've cited "discrimination". saying that white people can't handle spicy food is, like, rude at most. it is not discrimination, you are not seeing any material harm from it) shouldn't be called racism is because it invites the exact type of argument that you are using: namely, that white people experience racism. it dilutes the meaning of the word and silences black voices. when a black person talks about racism and someone jumps in and says "well, white people experience racism too! black kids called me a cracker in school!", that is silencing black people. that is a problem.

 

[DinoTown]

saying that white people can't handle spicy food is, like, rude at most.

okay but I'm talking about the example given earlier where a young black woman had her father threaten to disown her for marrying a white man.
or is that just a funny joke too?

 

[peachp1t]

I'm sorry, I don't follow your example. you're arguing against the need for there to be a unique word for the discrimination that black people face... by citing an example of a type of crime that does have a unique word to refer to it? I don't get it.

anyway, the reason discrimination against white people (hell, I'd even hesitate to call the examples I've cited "discrimination". saying that white people can't handle spicy food is, like, rude at most. it is not discrimination, you are not seeing any material harm from it) shouldn't be called racism is because it invites the exact type of argument that you are using: namely, that white people experience racism. it dilutes the meaning of the word and silences black voices. when a black person talks about racism and someone jumps in and says "well, white people experience racism too! black kids called me a cracker in school!", that is silencing black people. that is a problem.

straight facts from naranjita, ty for helping me out with a point of view from someone who understand the poc side of this!!!

 

[DinoTown]

someone who understand the poc side of this!!!

so did you just decide that I've gotta be white or smth

 

[naranjita]

okay but I'm talking about the example given earlier where a young black woman had her father threaten to disown her for marrying a white man.
or is that just a funny joke too?

I mean, considering the only material harm in that situation is coming to the black woman (being disowned), it's really not a good example of discrimination against whites lol

straight facts from naranjita, ty for helping me out with a point of view from someone who understand the poc side of this!!!

I'd like to clarify that I'm also white! I've just done a lot of reading and listening throughout the years in order to unlearn my racism. and I'm still not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I think it's important that white people talk about these things because unfortunately other white people are more likely to listen to us than to black people (or people of color in general)

 

[peachp1t]

okay but I'm talking about the example given earlier where a young black woman had her father threaten to disown her for marrying a white man.
or is that just a funny joke too?

good sir/madam/otherwise, have you considered that maybe poc parents dont want their parents to involve themselves with white people bc we kill them??? just a thought. just thinking my good (insert here).

 

[DinoTown]

I mean, considering the only material harm in that situation is coming to the black woman (being disowned), it's really not a good example of discrimination against whites lol

I don't think you realise what it's like to know you're hated by your significant other's family over a factor about yourself that you can't change. It god damn SUCKS

 

[peachp1t]

so did you just decide that I've gotta be white or smth

haha, okay yeah i no longer respect you. "thank you for helping me out with a point of view from someone who understand the poc side of this!!!" was my actual quote. dont cut part of it out to lie about what i said. i was thanking them for backing me up.

 

[DinoTown]

good sir/madam/otherwise, have you considered that maybe poc parents dont want their parents to involve themselves with white people bc we kill them??? just a thought. just thinking my good (insert here).

Come on. Really? Now you're just honestly, truly, and sincerely, blowing it overboard.
And also can you please tell me why you keep referring to me as white? Why do you think I'm white? Because I believe in this "white" definition of racism?

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haha, okay yeah i no longer respect you.

that's funny when it didn't seem like you respected me much to begin with

 

[peachp1t]

Come on. Really? Now you're just honestly, truly, and sincerely, blowing it overboard.
And also can you please tell me why you keep referring to me as white? Why do you think I'm white? Because I believe in this "white" definition of racism?

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that's funny when it didn't seem like you respected me much to begin with

we as in "me and other white people" dude,,, come the heck on
and yeah i did. ive been respectful and not edited out parts of what you said. youve been disrespectful from the beginning.

 

[DinoTown]

we as in "me and other white people" dude,,, come the heck on
and yeah i did. ive been respectful and not edited out parts of what you said. youve been disrespectful from the beginning.

How is me cutting out parts of what you said disrespectful? I'm just trying to make it obvious which part of your message I'm replying to. When you write a long piece/include several points and I want to reply to just one of those points, cutting out bits of the message so I only quote what I want to reply to makes perfect sense? In what world is doing that disrespectful?