Bullying - Discussion

[Jarrad]

I completely agree with Lampokos. Bathing around everybody's and your own self-pity on a forum isn't going to amend for anything in the real world. Everyone has been bullied or is a bully, regardless of what they think. There will always be a person who takes a certain disliking to another, it's within our nature as animals. As much as I disagree with bullying, I think it shouldn't be out-ruled and viewed as some sort of criminal act. Creating laws to avoid weak-minded children from taking their own lives is ludicrous. At the end of the day, it's not these bullies which drive people to suicide, it's their loved ones and their lack of establishment in the child's life.

A child's actions should not be held responsible for another child's death, it's just a child after all.

 

[Byngo]

First of all, it's not barbaric.
Here's the definition of barbaric:
Adjective
1. Savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal.
2. Primitive; unsophisticated.

Neither of those definitions apply to what I said.
Stating that bullying is healthy is not savagely cruel, or exceedingly brutal, because in my view, it has positive effects.
It's not brutal, because I don't have any brutal intention behind it, and there is none that exists there.
It's also not unsophisticated.
Here is the definition of sophisticated:
Adjective
1. (of a machine, system, or technique) Developed to a high degree of complexity.
2. (of a person or their thoughts, reactions, and understanding) Aware of and able to interpret complex issues; subtle.

Calling me unsophisticated because of what I state is ridiculous, because I am both aware of, and able to interpret complex issues.
I wouldn't be posting in this thread if I wasn't able to interpret the issue, because I wouldn't have deemed it worth my time to argue my point.

Second of all, it's not idiotic,
If you look at my statement above, it should tell you why.

Using barbaric may not have been the right choice of word, but basically what I am saying is that bullying is not/should not be viewed as a way of therapy, as Ben_nyc also said.

And, I don't care if bullying helps build character, it helps build up emotionally, ect. Build it up some other way, I'm sure there are ways of doing this other than bullying. I'll use my parents as examples: They were never bullied, because they most certainly would tell me, because I am constantly. But, they have all these traits you say you can 'only' get from bullying.

The more I think of your argument, the more it is truly baffling me how someone could seriously defend bullying. Anyways, I'm done in this discussion with you, as it is going nowhere.

To each their own, I guess?

 

[Lampokos]

Using barbaric may not have been the right choice of word, but basically what I am saying is that bullying is not/should not be viewed as a way of therapy, as Ben_nyc also said.

And, I don't care if bullying helps build character, it helps build up emotionally, ect. Build it up some other way, I'm sure there are ways of doing this other than bullying. I'll use my parents as examples: They were never bullied, because they most certainly would tell me, because I am constantly. But, they have all these traits you say you can 'only' get from bullying.

The more I think of your argument, the more it is truly baffling me how someone could seriously defend bullying. Anyways, I'm done in this discussion with you, as it is going nowhere.

To each their own, I guess?

Funny thing is, I never said bullying was the ONLY way, specifically. Also, I'm not saying it's a way of therapy, and of course it's going nowhere, you keep representing the same statement over and over in different forms.

 

[ben_nyc]

First of all, let me point something out in your argument.
Suicide is for giant cowards.
Ending your own life because of a petty problem is cowardly.
There are people with much bigger problems than you out there, and most of them, well, probably aren't killing themselves.
There are some homeless people out there that struggle to get food, and they don't kill themselves.
But you do? Because of some mean words, or a punch or two? Or public humiliation?
I've been bullied before. It's absolutely not a big deal.

Bullying builds character, and helps you deal with real, legitimate criticism in the real world. Bullying is healthy.

Please don't generalize the populace or insert various statistics. I know there's world hunger. I know there are wars going on & people are displaced. You need to isolate the discussion here by the given example.

Why is this a hot topic? Because bullying has led to DEATHS. Okay, perhaps there are less victims than let's say, shark attacks- still, as an individual you cannot discount how bullying has evolved (w/ social media & ease of access to social portals) & that this problem will ONLY get worse.

Now onto the subject: someone has died from bullying. The harassment is usually fierce, this is again facilitated by social platforms. Every case has included evidence of threats made in person & online- the abuse is relentless. One victim is TOO MUCH, that is a fact.

 

[demoness]

First of all, let me point something out in your argument.
Suicide is for giant cowards.
Ending your own life because of a petty problem is cowardly.
There are people with much bigger problems than you out there, and most of them, well, probably aren't killing themselves.
There are some homeless people out there that struggle to get food, and they don't kill themselves.
But you do? Because of some mean words, or a punch or two? Or public humiliation?
I've been bullied before. It's absolutely not a big deal.

This is pretty much the anecdotal fallacy at work here, meaning that the vividness of your personal experiences are affecting the way you perceive the issue. You are trying to oversimplify an issue that more often than not is not one that can be solved with a blanket statement. There are people with more immediate problems than bullying, but there are also people that have/had much more terrifying bullying problems than you have had. I'm not sure where you are getting the information telling you that hungry poor people don't commit suicide, and even if you have known or read about someone toughing that out, it doesn't mean that everyone has or is able to the same way you or the people in your anecdotal evidence can. It may be your opinion, but society has been telling bullying victims the same thing for years and as you can probably surmise.. it isn't solving the problem. That method has helped all the kinds of kids it is going to. For those kids it works for, I'm happy for them.

Bullying builds character, and helps you deal with real, legitimate criticism in the real world. Bullying is healthy.

This is more anecdotal evidence. Being that you can learn to build character and take criticism without being bullied, there is nothing about bullying that is so unique that its positives outweigh the negatives, so I'm not how this supports bullying; it just sounds resistant. And again, you can't apply how something effects some people to all people.

There are few people that commit suicide over being picked on. People that commit suicide over bullying--perpetual and outright humiliation--either had emotional or mental disturbances that bullying compounded, or were prone to them and developed them from repeated harassment. We don't condone domestic abuse or harassment in the adult world, so I fail to see how bullying effectively prepares children for the world, unless we're teaching them to be complacent. I'm not calling you deplorable or attacking you as a person, but your argument certainly seems baffling.

More on-topic: I've never experienced bullying as I was pretty well liked as a child, but I certainly didn't sit by idly either. A few times I gave bullying victims the support we desperately needed. I don't think we need to punish bullies being that some were victims prior, but as a society we should frown on bullying so that those that insist on doing so don't feel comfortable doing so, or get both bullies and bullying victims true professional help.

 

[Cam]

I actually went back to my old town and saw a tonne of people who were complete ***ts to me at school and as horrible as it sounds, it makes me quite happy that Im doing much better than they are....

I don't think that's horrible at all, as long as you didn't act on it and become a bully in return.

I think it's pretty great that the people who caused you misery are now inadvertently giving you a bit of happiness.

Karma's a ***** when you're an *******

 

[Elijo]

Bump! Sorry about that but this topic needs to be continued!

I haven't been bullied in a while so I guess the bullies must've given up on me.

 

[Midoriya]

There's not even bullies where I live. Where I live, the term bully is outdated. People can be mean though.

EDIT: Bullying is wrong though. I've watched numerous documentaries on it and it makes me sick.

 

[Redlatios]

Bullying is something thats part of the society, even if we don't like it. I've been bullied for most of my life to the point I cried, but after some time you learn that you shouldnt really care about what other say to you. Also, I hate these anti-bullying campaigns that appeared recently on cartoon network and such. They make such a great deal out of it.

 

[Midoriya]

Bullying is something thats part of the society, even if we don't like it. I've been bullied for most of my life to the point I cried, but after some time you learn that you shouldnt really care about what other say to you. Also, I hate these anti-bullying campaigns that appeared recently on cartoon network and such. They make such a great deal out of it.

They're making a big deal out of it because it IS a big deal. Some people don't know that yet. People's lives get shattered by bullying. Some people even commit suicide because of it. And you're telling me you don't support working together to end negativity because it's a 'big deal'? How low.

 

[ZeroMetroid]

People act like they can just wave a magic wand and make it go away, it just doesn't happen. You either live with it or you find a way to settle it on your own, as often times people find it harder to tell someone of authority about it. Bullying is something that just won't go away, much like Gun-Bans and shootings. If people want it hard enough they will get their hands on it.

 

[Redlatios]

They're making a big deal out of it because it IS a big deal. Some people don't know that yet. People's lives get shattered by bullying. Some people even commit suicide because of it. And you're telling me you don't support working together to end negativity because it's a 'big deal'? How low.

Maybe i wasnt too clear about what i meant. They make it look as if it was something that appeared recently. Also they kinda overreact in my country, if they "think" you are bullying someone, the cops show up at your house. I'm not kidding.

 

[g u a v a]

Maybe i wasnt too clear about what i meant. They make it look as if it was something that appeared recently. Also they kinda overreact in my country, if they "think" you are bullying someone, the cops show up at your house. I'm not kidding.

Assuming that your country is Mexico, which I'm from as well, I can kind of see where you're coming from. I think the reason it may seem that way to you is because it's something that people are finally starting to talk about. I don't think the way they're talking about it too "in-your-face." It's an issue that needs to be out there and I'd rather have excess information than have none at all.

 

[Midoriya]

Well I'm not talking about Mexico, now am I? That's a different country. I'm talking about bullying in the USA.

 

[g u a v a]

Well I'm not talking about Mexico, now am I? That's a different country. I'm talking about bullying in the USA.

Regardless of the country in which it occurs in bullying is still bullying; it's an international issue. I was simply trying to explain where his opinion was coming from, as I can see from what perspective it was coming from.

 

[Midoriya]

Regardless of the country in which it occurs in bullying is still bullying; it's an international issue. I was simply trying to explain where his opinion was coming from, as I can see from what perspective it was coming from.

I never said it wasn't an international problem; I have no idea why you said that. And I didn't know bullying is actually against the law in Mexico if that's what they were trying to explain.

 

[g u a v a]

I never said it wasn't an international problem; I have no idea why you said that. And I didn't know bullying is actually against the law in Mexico if that's what they were trying to explain.

Er, your previous post made it sound like bullying in the USA was different from bullying in any other country, and I would say that it isn't, at all. All I was trying to do was elaborate on what they had posted because I don't think it was meant to be taken in a negative way like you might've taken it.

 

[Redlatios]

Assuming that your country is Mexico, which I'm from as well, I can kind of see where you're coming from. I think the reason it may seem that way to you is because it's something that people are finally starting to talk about. I don't think the way they're talking about it too "in-your-face." It's an issue that needs to be out there and I'd rather have excess information than have none at all.

Yes, my country is mexico. But let's be honest about it: Cartoon network makes it look really ridiculous. And i'm not even talking about that "bullying rap" thingy.

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Well I'm not talking about Mexico, now am I? That's a different country. I'm talking about bullying in the USA.

Well, you never mentioned any country, sooo... yeah. And bullying in USA or in Japan its the same thing.

 

[puppy]

in middle school i gave this one guy hell but he never really reacted to it so in highschool i was like whatevs you're cool now

and hey i get that bullying is bad and all but
in a few cases i think people gotta think about what theyre doing that's getting them bullied
like if a guy walks into the school wearing a rainbow dash hoodie and carrying a my little pony bag
then the guy is all shocked and indignant when people start calling him a f*gt
like what did you expect
and dont think that im condoning bullying, either. i'm just saying that people need to realize the kind of society we live in okay

 

[Leanne]

Somehow, I have never been bullied. I was never popular or anything in school. I was usually the one girl who didn't follow any trends. I preferred to hang out with boys. Sometimes, I'm surprised I was never bullied.

in a few cases i think people gotta think about what theyre doing that's getting them bullied
like if a guy walks into the school wearing a rainbow dash hoodie and carrying a my little pony bag
then the guy is all shocked and indignant when people start calling him a f*gt
like what did you expect
and dont think that im condoning bullying, either. i'm just saying that people need to realize the kind of society we live in okay

That's just wrong. People are free to like whatever they want without being criticized. If someone likes My Little Pony and they show it, they are free to do it. They should under no circumstance mold themselves to save themselves from being bullied.

In that case, it's the bully who should understand the world doesn't turn around them or their ideals. If they can't stand people with different personalities, then that's up to them. If they need to take it out, then they need to seek help, because obviously there's something really wrong with them.

Bullying is a complicated issue, because everyone is different and react to it differently. In elementary school I had a friend, who was a guy. We were in the "boys vs girls" ages, and he got a lot of heat just because he hung out with me most of the time. He didn't care. He literally didn't care. He would laugh at the bullies in a "lolnope" fashion and keep living his life. But other "victims" may react differently. We know the case of that girl who killed herself with bleach a few years back in Canada I think. I know of a girl who killed herself in my cousin's school years ago. Then we know of the sad cases of people who start wearing permanent masks and leave themselves to adopt new ideas they don't even like and blend in with the rest. My dad used to say "it's easier to raise strong boys and girls, then to prevent the existence of mean people.". I think he's right to certain extent, but again how "strong" someone is will not only depend on how they were raised but also on how their brain works.

It's not people who should "realize the society we live in". If we keep living like that, everyone will be the same. Everyone will be a robot, and everything will just be sad. I don't want to imagine a world like that. Guys who get bullied for not liking sports. Girls bullied for not being girly enough. How can a society expect everyone to behave the same? The bullying victims are never the problem. They are free to be whoever they want and to live in harmony with whatever society they're forced to live with. If most people will not like the My Little Pony guy from the example above because he likes My Little Pony and shows it, it's not him who should change: It's the rest of the people who should and become at least a little bit more tolerant. If every victim bullying finally gave in... We would be much worse than we are now.