Abortion?

[visibleghost]

well ok so here's the thing

no one is ever legally required to give blood or donate organs, mone marrow or w/e to their dying relative or whowver needs it. even if it would save their life. even if it would be very little effort and no pain for the donating person. it is their choice if they want to donate. the same way that it is a pregnant person's choice if they want to keep supporting a fetus in their uterus.
even if that thing is alive, it still needs the pregnant person's body's support in order to live. and if the pregnant person does not want to offer that support they should not be legally required to.

so no it's not only about when you think life starts. it's about what rights you think women and trans people deserve.

 

[00jachna]

It's their body, so I feel like they should be able to do as they wish

 

[Aali]

I don't think there should be strict abortion laws.

It would oppress women even more than we are now. Not to mention most of the people who would decide if the laws should pass are OLD MEN. They should have NO SAY IN IT WHAT SOEVER!

If it's not your body then don't worry about it.

QUIT TRYING TO F*** OTHER PEOPLES LIFE WITH YOUR D*** BELIEFS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CRAM DOWN THEIR THROATS

 

[Danielkang2]

I don't think there should be strict abortion laws.

It would oppress women even more than we are now. Not to mention most of the people who would decide if the laws should pass are OLD MEN. They should have NO SAY IN IT WHAT SOEVER!

If it's not your body then don't worry about it.

QUIT TRYING TO F*** OTHER PEOPLES LIFE WITH YOUR D*** BELIEFS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CRAM DOWN THEIR THROATS

Every debate their's a statement like this and it just amazes me. Nobody I repeat nobody is cramming beliefs down you or anybody's throats, we're giving reasonable arguments and evaluating other people's stances on the issue at hand and drawing lines. You sound more like you want everyone to follow your beliefs not distraught because so many people are trying to shove their beliefs down other's throats.

 

[Wisteria Rytsar]

Every debate their's a statement like this and it just amazes me. Nobody I repeat nobody is cramming beliefs down you or anybody's throats, we're giving reasonable arguments and evaluating other people's stances on the issue at hand and drawing lines. You sound more like you want everyone to follow your beliefs not distraught because so many people are trying to shove their beliefs down other's throats.

By Saying That We Need More Restrictions On Abortion, While You Cant Even Conceive Is You Cramming Your Beliefs Down People Throats. Im Pretty Sure That If The Legislation Were Put To A Vote You Would Vote For The Restrictions To Be Passed Based On Your Beliefs Rather Than The Common Good Of The Women.

 

[Danielkang2]

By Saying That We Need More Restrictions On Abortion, While You Cant Even Conceive Is You Cramming Your Beliefs Down People Throats. Im Pretty Sure That If The Legislation Were Put To A Vote You Would Vote For The Restrictions To Be Passed Based On Your Beliefs Rather Than The Common Good Of The Women.

I stated my opinion, all I need. Didn't force you to follow or even ask to follow or will you even follow. Very different things cramming beliefs down someone's throats and stating beliefs. No matter how conflicting my beliefs are, forcing an idea down someone's throat requires an additional step to just believing yourself and stating your stance and even challenging other's beliefs.

 

[Aali]

Every debate their's a statement like this and it just amazes me. Nobody I repeat nobody is cramming beliefs down you or anybody's throats, we're giving reasonable arguments and evaluating other people's stances on the issue at hand and drawing lines. You sound more like you want everyone to follow your beliefs not distraught because so many people are trying to shove their beliefs down other's throats.

I'm saying everyone should be free todo what they want with THEIR body

If you want an abortion, get one.

If you don't want to, don't.

Don't make laws that don't give you a choice.

And that previous post wasn't targeted at you.

 

[Danielkang2]

And yes I would vote, anything wrong with that? Am I not entitled to my beliefs especially in America of all countries? Also your last statement is an oxymoron to me since I believe it is not for the common good of women but oh wait I'm entitled to my beliefs right?

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I'm saying everyone should be free todo what they want with THEIR body

If you want an abortion, get one.

If you don't want to, don't.

Don't make laws that don't give you a choice.

And that previous post wasn't targeted at you.

I never said there shouldn't be the option, I don't agree with the practice (People shouldn't do it at all) and the looseness of restrictions. People set on getting an abortion should at least be required to get it earlier. (This is my standpoint as to the law) Also I didn't take it as targeted to me, even if it was I don't care this is a debate. I'd be glad to argue.

 

[visibleghost]

And yes I would vote, anything wrong with that? Am I not entitled to my beliefs especially in America of all countries? Also your last statement is an oxymoron to me since I believe it is not for the common good of women but oh wait I'm entitled to my beliefs right?

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I never said there shouldn't be the option, I don't agree with the practice. Also I didn't take it as targeted to me, even if it was I don't care this is a debate.

cool then don't get an abortion but don't try to make it harder for people who need or want an abortion to get one lol

 

[Wisteria Rytsar]

And yes I would vote, anything wrong with that? Am I not entitled to my beliefs especially in America of all countries? Also your last statement is an oxymoron to me since I believe it is not for the common good of women but oh wait I'm entitled to my beliefs right?

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I never said there shouldn't be the option, I don't agree with the practice. Also I didn't take it as targeted to me, even if it was I don't care this is a debate.

You Are Entitled To Your Beliefs. As Is Everyone Else. Laws Are Passed Based On The Common Good The People. And Seeing As Men Are Not Even Close To Being Affected By This As Women Are. The Laws Should Be Passed Based On The Common Good Of The Women

 

[Danielkang2]

You Are Entitled To Your Beliefs. As Is Everyone Else. Laws Are Passed Based On The Common Good The People. And Seeing As Men Are Not Even Close To Being Affected By This As Women Are. The Laws Should Be Passed Based On The Common Good Of The Women

If I am entitled to my beliefs this statement is wrong as I did not go the extra step to force or even ask for one to change their beliefs. "By Saying That We Need More Restrictions On Abortion, While You Cant Even Conceive Is You Cramming Your Beliefs Down People Throats."

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cool then don't get an abortion but don't try to make it harder for people who need or want an abortion to get one lol

If I had the choice I would as I don't believe abortion to be as light of a practice as you do. Does saying this mean I cramming a belief down your throat if it is I don't even know why people debate.

 

[visibleghost]

If I am entitled to my beliefs this statement is wrong as I did not go the extra step to force or even ask for one to change their beliefs. "By Saying That We Need More Restrictions On Abortion, While You Cant Even Conceive Is You Cramming Your Beliefs Down People Throats."

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If I had the choice I would as I don't believe abortion to be as light of a practice as you do.

so you want to force women and trans people to suffer through a pregnancy, everything that comes with it (financial struggles, judgement, physical and mental pain etc), and maybe have to raise the child for at least 18 years when they don't want to because you think that a fetus is worth more than the person who is pregnant lmaooooo........,..

 

[Fleshy]

If I had the choice I would as I don't believe abortion to be as light of a practice as you do. Does saying this mean I cramming a belief down your throat if it is I don't even know why people debate.

To be honest that's worse than "cramming your opinion down peoples throat" that's saying if you had the choice you would take over control of someone's body.

An opinion would be something like "I don't agree with abortion at all, I would never have one, it's killing a child" etc. etc. but saying if you could, you would take that right away from people, that's more than an opinion imo.

 

[Danielkang2]

so you want to force women and trans people to suffer through a pregnancy, everything that comes with it (financial struggles, judgement, physical and mental pain etc), and maybe have to raise the child for at least 18 years when they don't want to because you think that a fetus is worth more than the person who is pregnant lmaooooo........,..

No, don't have the pregnancy in the first place don't even have premarital sex for that matter. It's not worth killing a life.I believe life begins at contraception. If you deem it's more important as you want to risk it to financial struggles judgement physical and mental pain oh well your choice. But I don't believe abortion should exist as your oh well let's eradicate the baby as I don't want the biproduct, nothing's wrong with that.

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To be honest that's worse than "cramming your opinion down peoples throat" that's saying if you had the choice you would take over control of someone's body.

An opinion would be something like "I don't agree with abortion at all, I would never have one, it's killing a child" etc. etc. but saying if you could, you would take that right away from people, that's more than an opinion imo.

Did what I just say influence or force your belief, no right? What your saying is solely dependent on if your belief is in align with mine.

 

[Wisteria Rytsar]

If I am entitled to my beliefs this statement is wrong as I did not go the extra step to force or even ask for one to change their beliefs. "By Saying That We Need More Restrictions On Abortion, While You Cant Even Conceive Is You Cramming Your Beliefs Down People Throats."

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If I had the choice I would as I don't believe abortion to be as light of a practice as you do. Does saying this mean I cramming a belief down your throat if it is I don't even know why people debate.

I See What You Are Saying So Allow Me To Clarify My Words. If Outside Of This Discussion You Were To Take Any Sort Of Action Following Your Beliefs And Attempt To Restrict Abortion, Then My Statement Of "By Saying That We Need More Restrictions On Abortion, While You Can't Even Conceive Is You Cramming Your Beliefs Down People's Throats." Would Be Made True Because I, By My Own Fault, Didn't Clarify That I Was Talking About Any Action That You Were To Pursue. Not Your Expression Of Your Beliefs Through Dialogue. Does That Make Sense?

 

[visibleghost]

No, don't have the pregnancy in the first place don't even have premarital sex for that matter. It's not worth killing a life.I believe life begins at contraception. If you deem it's more important as you want to risk it to financial struggles judgement physical and mental pain oh well your choice. But I don't believe abortion should exist as your oh well let's eradicate the baby as I don't want the biproduct, nothing's wrong with that.

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Did what I just say influence or force your belief, no right? What your saying is solely dependent on if your belief is in align with mine.

oh my god nah people aren't going to stop having sex, still rape victims exist so :^)
and just because someone is married doesn't mean they want a child.

but yeah w/e go love these fetuses and value them way more than the people having them inside of them. lol.

 

[#1 Senpai]

No, don't have the pregnancy in the first place don't even have premarital sex for that matter. It's not worth killing a life.I believe life begins at contraception. If you deem it's more important as you want to risk it to financial struggles judgement physical and mental pain oh well your choice. But I don't believe abortion should exist as your oh well let's eradicate the baby as I don't want the biproduct, nothing's wrong with that.

"don't have the pregnancy in the first place" lmaoo

 

[Danielkang2]

oh my god nah people aren't going to stop having sex, still rape victims exist so :^)
and just because someone is married doesn't mean they want a child.

but yeah w/e go love these fetuses and value them way more than the people having them inside of them. lol.

No their value is equal. A person with a defect or disability is valued equally to a normal human on a moral standpoint and a "fetus" should be as well. I don't even care about the circumstances an unborn child should have the right to live.

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"don't have the pregnancy in the first place" lmaoo

I mean don't even risk it if you don't have what it takes to take care of the biproduct of your actions.

 

[Fleshy]

Did what I just say influence or force your belief, no right? What your saying is solely dependent on if your belief is in align with mine.

No. You said you would revoke the rights someone has over their body if you could. I would still think that's wrong, even if I were against abortion.

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I mean don't even risk it if you don't have what it takes to take care of the biproduct of your actions.

It's been said already on this thread, but a child is not a punishment for having sex.

 

[Danielkang2]

No. You said you would revoke the rights someone has over their body if you could. I would still think that's wrong, even if I were against abortion.

An unborn child should be entitlted to life, abortion strips it away. I believe at contraception the baby's potential starts unfolding.