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The Women's March!
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This is everything. Thank you, visibleghost. <3 Literally all what I was trying to defend.
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Goshi, could you elaborate on this? I'd like to hear more on your thoughts about it.
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idk what goshi meant exactly but a lot of signs were kinda focused on genitalia and that is trans exclusionary because genitalia=/=gender ... it is better to focus on women's issues instead of on genitalia and women shouldnt be represented by boobs or vaginas lmao
This is everything. Thank you, visibleghost. <3 Literally all what I was trying to defend.
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Goshi, could you elaborate on this? I'd like to hear more on your thoughts about it.
You've got to have a little perspective here. What's the bigger problem for transgender people: vagina signs and hats, or Trump? I'm in favor of transgender rights and accepting people, but this is part of the political correctness gone amok which has helped fuel far-right backlashes around the world.
I completely agree
The "funny" thing is that it's shown time and time again when the news come out that a man was raped, it's always men that are not taking it seriously and saying "She was hot. Lucky!" and nonsense like that. MEN devalue men getting raped, not feminists.
Just because one thing is more of a problem doesn't mean another thing should be ignored or disregarded as a problem.
I think (cis) women have every right to express their wants for their own bodies (being their uteri + vaginas) but I think there is a way to do it without being cissexist. Like I said previously in this thread, not everyone with a uterus + a vagina is a woman. Those people need to be able to own their own bodies as well. I don't believe most of these women had any intention of excluding trans people but you can make pro-abortion signs without making them look like "Woman = Vagina", especially when TERFs are still a huge problem in the feminism community.
it's funny, because i've been having this same convo w a lot of people about the nature of what a women's march should be and how the categorizing of it as specifically a WOMEN's march, while pointed, is in some ways reductive.
cis women were by far the largest number there and they present their cause and also gender itself in a very binary VAGINA = FEMALE way. so, saying this march is specifically for women both presents it as specifically for only cis women and ignores a lot of the larger problems that people who experience multiple axis of oppression and are most as risk from the now-in-power regime and policies, are facing in america right now, ie. if you are trying to truly help people who are going to be harmed, you should be focusing on lifting and supporting those MOST at risk, at the lowest common denominator, such as low income, disabled, trans/nonbinary, people of color etc. activism efforts should always protect those less able to fight back or socially in power.
i like the women's march. i'm glad people are considering mass civil protest as a viable, important and frequently exercised right. but i question the effect of such actions when so much of it is surface level protest such as "MY P***Y GRABS BACK." rather than like, iunno, calling senators every day and saying "i support equal access to gender affirming hormone care including unequivocal and non-condition based care for transgender people. please support such bills."
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i think that's the thing tho: perspective. for trans people, the right to not feel like their body isn't good enough/doesn't have the right parts/is not a true 'woman's body' is just as important as access to health care that will be severed under trump. both of those are sides of bodily autonomy and right to mental and physical safety.
saying one is worse than another is like asking people to pick if they would rather eat a whole prickly pear or a whole pineapple. one might hurt less, but it doesn't make either pleasant.
could you maybe define political correctness for me, though? i'm curious because i always hear people site it as a reason to not do things but never hear a concrete definition of what it truly is.
cis women were by far the largest number there and they present their cause and also gender itself in a very binary VAGINA = FEMALE way. so, saying this march is specifically for women both presents it as specifically for only cis women and ignores a lot of the larger problems that people who experience multiple axis of oppression and are most as risk from the now-in-power regime and policies, are facing in america right now, ie. if you are trying to truly help people who are going to be harmed, you should be focusing on lifting and supporting those MOST at risk, at the lowest common denominator, such as low income, disabled, trans/nonbinary, people of color etc. activism efforts should always protect those less able to fight back or socially in power.
i like the women's march. i'm glad people are considering mass civil protest as a viable, important and frequently exercised right. but i question the effect of such actions when so much of it is surface level protest such as "MY P***Y GRABS BACK." rather than like, iunno, calling senators every day and saying "i support equal access to gender affirming hormone care including unequivocal and non-condition based care for transgender people. please support such bills."
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i think that's the thing tho: perspective. for trans people, the right to not feel like their body isn't good enough/doesn't have the right parts/is not a true 'woman's body' is just as important as access to health care that will be severed under trump. both of those are sides of bodily autonomy and right to mental and physical safety.
saying one is worse than another is like asking people to pick if they would rather eat a whole prickly pear or a whole pineapple. one might hurt less, but it doesn't make either pleasant.
could you maybe define political correctness for me, though? i'm curious because i always hear people site it as a reason to not do things but never hear a concrete definition of what it truly is.
Yeah, that was what I meant. Cis women can take pride in their bodies, sure, but a lot of the time it comes off as terf-y. Like Gyro said, there is a way to do this without being cissexist or exclusionary.
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