| This too, haha. A lot of super-extreme feminists do this, sometimes not knowing that they're becoming the sort of men that made women suffer. I really hate it when that happens. Also guys, please stay on topic, it helps keep the thread clean! Just because the last feminist thread ended up in flames doesn't mean we can't learn from our mistakes and improve this one. ^.^ |
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theres nothing wrong with the name anyway - but feminism is just too broad for me anymore. i tend to focus on more serious issues rather than what american feminists care about. i mean, i dont disprove of their actions. i just..dont really care that much. like i dont give a **** about #freethenipple. i think its useless and a waste of time. i dont think they realize that no one is really taking that movement seriously.
i have a problem with sex positive feminism. i dont want to see your nipples, i dont care about your slutwalks. do whatever you want with your sex life. sex repulses me, and its no different than people celebrating bdsm in public. i dont care about your body.
then theres of course TWERFs (trans women exclusionary radical feminists). the argument liberal feminists like to make is "they're not truly feminists!" when that does nothing. you do nothing to stop these TWERFs. they actively hurt trans women and make it harder for trans women to even join female spaces.
so in all, i dont consider myself a feminist anymore. it has gotten too liberal. im rather annoyed liberal feminists praise saudi arabias government because it now allows women to vote. voting will not change anything. its a us backed monarchy. you think voting will do anything?
i dont think liberal feminists care for people like me. for victims like me. they care too much about their label and the stigma of being called a "feminist". my trauma is not an argument for you to use. i despise most liberal feminists, for they only care about themselves.
i do think men are more privileged in society (on which society, is another topic). i am distrustful of most men because of my trauma in my life, but i dont hate men. of course this gets me grouped in with liberal feminists who buy male tear cups.
i dont like their male tear jokes. i wonder if these women truly understand why im the way i am today. if they truly care about women being abused and raped. every liberal feminist i see is white, cis, and not doing anything to help people like me. or trans women.
so, yeah. those are my thoughts
i have a problem with sex positive feminism. i dont want to see your nipples, i dont care about your slutwalks. do whatever you want with your sex life. sex repulses me, and its no different than people celebrating bdsm in public. i dont care about your body.
then theres of course TWERFs (trans women exclusionary radical feminists). the argument liberal feminists like to make is "they're not truly feminists!" when that does nothing. you do nothing to stop these TWERFs. they actively hurt trans women and make it harder for trans women to even join female spaces.
so in all, i dont consider myself a feminist anymore. it has gotten too liberal. im rather annoyed liberal feminists praise saudi arabias government because it now allows women to vote. voting will not change anything. its a us backed monarchy. you think voting will do anything?
i dont think liberal feminists care for people like me. for victims like me. they care too much about their label and the stigma of being called a "feminist". my trauma is not an argument for you to use. i despise most liberal feminists, for they only care about themselves.
i do think men are more privileged in society (on which society, is another topic). i am distrustful of most men because of my trauma in my life, but i dont hate men. of course this gets me grouped in with liberal feminists who buy male tear cups.
i dont like their male tear jokes. i wonder if these women truly understand why im the way i am today. if they truly care about women being abused and raped. every liberal feminist i see is white, cis, and not doing anything to help people like me. or trans women.
so, yeah. those are my thoughts
Also on the topic of its name -
Why does it need to be changed lol? It's still about getting equal rights for women. Stop basing everything on the USA (altho there's still some sexism here).
Idk it sounds kinda butthurt when people complain about tht
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Why does it need to be changed lol? It's still about getting equal rights for women. Stop basing everything on the USA (altho there's still some sexism here).
Idk it sounds kinda butthurt when people complain about tht
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LethalLulu
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I actually just came across a very valid post on tumblr about this. I am going to share it, but I'm just saying rape trigger warning now.
http://not-quite-witty-whovian.tumblr.com/post/127670218272/child-of-the-univerrse-what-triggers-my-anger.
Gotten from a random blog that looked easy to read.
http://not-quite-witty-whovian.tumblr.com/post/127670218272/child-of-the-univerrse-what-triggers-my-anger.
Gotten from a random blog that looked easy to read.
People think it should be changed because it has negative connotations, that's pretty much it.
I also think that a lot of Feminism in NA has turned into a bit of a joke because it only focuses on "1st world problems". I don't often see Feminists trying to help people in 3rd world countries etc where they actually need a lot of help and sexism is the norm.
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| I'm so museless and tired right now I can't even explain how much I agree with this. I still somewhat consider myself a feminist, though. |
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I saw this post, it's one of my faves and I couldn't find it again. People should read it
That Zephyr Guy
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There generally seems to be a sort of consensus among most people who at one point would consider themselves a feminist:
Either you call yourself a feminist and are trying to reclaim the word, or you don't like what it's become and are trying to make a new better one.
Either you call yourself a feminist and are trying to reclaim the word, or you don't like what it's become and are trying to make a new better one.
MozzarellaSticks
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How dare people focus on problems that directly affect them instead of someone who has it worse off! Don't they know how good they have it!?
I think it's good to focus on problems in NA but it's become giant pity party for people who have it really good.
I'd call myself a feminist but yeah I hate the image radical feminists give the word "feminist."
But basically if you want equality between genders you're a feminist, if you don't you're an *******. People are just scared of the term feminist and it kind of sucks that feminist radicals ruin what is supposed to be a positive thing by making it seem like feminists are just men-hating psychos.
That being said, there's a lot inherently wrong with the average/stereotypical male's attitude towards women. Not because they choose to be that way, but because they are taught by media/etc. from an extremely young age that women are basically objects. Like why is a Victoria's Secret catalog so male oriented if it's purpose is to sell me, a woman, a bra. We live in a male dominated society, and the only way that can be remedied is if everyone is on board for equality which is a lot easier said than done unfortunately. But yeah I'm a feminist because I can't tell you how much it pisses me off that a bunch of highschool boys can gang rape a girl and basically get away with it
But basically if you want equality between genders you're a feminist, if you don't you're an *******. People are just scared of the term feminist and it kind of sucks that feminist radicals ruin what is supposed to be a positive thing by making it seem like feminists are just men-hating psychos.
That being said, there's a lot inherently wrong with the average/stereotypical male's attitude towards women. Not because they choose to be that way, but because they are taught by media/etc. from an extremely young age that women are basically objects. Like why is a Victoria's Secret catalog so male oriented if it's purpose is to sell me, a woman, a bra. We live in a male dominated society, and the only way that can be remedied is if everyone is on board for equality which is a lot easier said than done unfortunately. But yeah I'm a feminist because I can't tell you how much it pisses me off that a bunch of highschool boys can gang rape a girl and basically get away with it
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I only partially agree that men grow up seeing women as objects. It completely depends on what kind of things your parents let you watch and see etc. and also what your parents are teaching you.
For instance when I watched Arthur the Aardvark, JJ the Jet Plane, The Weekenders, etc. as a kid, they never told me to objectify women or that they're lesser than men.
pillow bunny
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that's true, but the people who complain about it aren't helping either, and are generally just making things worse by erasing the problems of women in first world countries. first world women undeniably do face problems, and many of them could be solved with enough support. on the other hand there isn't much we can do for people in third world countries aside from donating money.
Jamborenium
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I'm just going to post this
http://check-your-privilege-feminists.tumblr.com/
http://check-your-privilege-feminists.tumblr.com/
i do not hate feminism, but i find the mainstream feminism today is annoying. i dislike how they only focus on themselves. they say third wave feminism now extends to women of color and the poor, but is that really true?
the same liberal feminists who say porn is evil, what are you doing to help sex workers? you wish to ban sex work? fine, you want to ban it, then provide a living to the sex workers who will be out of a job. they care so much about a girls freedom to have sex as much as she wants without getting called a slut, but do you care about sex workers at all?
feminism is not bad, and it has impacted the world today. i do not hate it, but im simply too depressed to care anymore.
when i was younger, i looked up to it. i thought it cared for people like me. for victims like me. perhaps i have just gotten more depressed overtime, but i feel like they dont actually care.
these liberal feminists say to stop sexualizing women, while their whole blog is east asian schoolgirls. their whole blog is creepshots of east asian schoolgirls, and pictures of their thighs and panties. tell me, how is that not fetishizing us? people like me? tell me how yellow fever didnt contribute to my trauma.
then we have the other feminists, who are totally sex positive. just sharing their sex life in public. they dont care for victims of sexual abuse who dont agree. they dont care. they only care for themselves. consent is not sexy. do not make consent into a joke. i do not want to hear your stupid slogans about rape. "consent is sexy! always ask for it!"
and then for the poor. i wonder really, why are you dropping 20 dollars on a mug that says male tears? if anything, its most likely a man making profit from you. they do nothing to help the poor. they do nothing to help people like me. they say "dont be classist! dont be mean to the poor!" but tell me, how does that help? what are you doing to help?
i simply do not care about it anymore. they want to help 1st world women? then they can do it. starting with women of color, the poor, and sex workers. trans women as well. they all live in this country too.
to be truthful, no one really cares about your sex life. of course its a different matter if your nudes are leaked or something, because that is actively harmful. but.. theres so much more things going on. and youre just upset because youre called a slut for having sex. i get it hurts, but.. i feel like mainstream feminism cares too much about the stupidest of things.
and if i find a liberal feminist who isnt all of the above, what do they say to me? they say feminists like that arent really feminists. but when have i seen any liberal feminist ever argue against these women? never.
feminism is not bad, as i will say again. but it is far from perfect. i know many feminists who focus on sex workers rights, trans women, woc, etc.. but they never get the time of day. the media only focuses on movements like #freethenipple.
its funny, i know a few feminists on here who fit everything ive said. they only cared because they get called a slut. and of course, theyre a cis straight white rich woman. ive seen them excuse their friends who make racist comments. they say nothing. but the moment someone calls them a slut? they get mad and suddenly act like they really care for womens rights.
its just sad for me to see the movement has been stolen by women who care for no one but themselves.
the same liberal feminists who say porn is evil, what are you doing to help sex workers? you wish to ban sex work? fine, you want to ban it, then provide a living to the sex workers who will be out of a job. they care so much about a girls freedom to have sex as much as she wants without getting called a slut, but do you care about sex workers at all?
feminism is not bad, and it has impacted the world today. i do not hate it, but im simply too depressed to care anymore.
when i was younger, i looked up to it. i thought it cared for people like me. for victims like me. perhaps i have just gotten more depressed overtime, but i feel like they dont actually care.
these liberal feminists say to stop sexualizing women, while their whole blog is east asian schoolgirls. their whole blog is creepshots of east asian schoolgirls, and pictures of their thighs and panties. tell me, how is that not fetishizing us? people like me? tell me how yellow fever didnt contribute to my trauma.
then we have the other feminists, who are totally sex positive. just sharing their sex life in public. they dont care for victims of sexual abuse who dont agree. they dont care. they only care for themselves. consent is not sexy. do not make consent into a joke. i do not want to hear your stupid slogans about rape. "consent is sexy! always ask for it!"
and then for the poor. i wonder really, why are you dropping 20 dollars on a mug that says male tears? if anything, its most likely a man making profit from you. they do nothing to help the poor. they do nothing to help people like me. they say "dont be classist! dont be mean to the poor!" but tell me, how does that help? what are you doing to help?
i simply do not care about it anymore. they want to help 1st world women? then they can do it. starting with women of color, the poor, and sex workers. trans women as well. they all live in this country too.
to be truthful, no one really cares about your sex life. of course its a different matter if your nudes are leaked or something, because that is actively harmful. but.. theres so much more things going on. and youre just upset because youre called a slut for having sex. i get it hurts, but.. i feel like mainstream feminism cares too much about the stupidest of things.
and if i find a liberal feminist who isnt all of the above, what do they say to me? they say feminists like that arent really feminists. but when have i seen any liberal feminist ever argue against these women? never.
feminism is not bad, as i will say again. but it is far from perfect. i know many feminists who focus on sex workers rights, trans women, woc, etc.. but they never get the time of day. the media only focuses on movements like #freethenipple.
its funny, i know a few feminists on here who fit everything ive said. they only cared because they get called a slut. and of course, theyre a cis straight white rich woman. ive seen them excuse their friends who make racist comments. they say nothing. but the moment someone calls them a slut? they get mad and suddenly act like they really care for womens rights.
its just sad for me to see the movement has been stolen by women who care for no one but themselves.
I sort of agree. Another thing is that there are women who simply don't feel oppressed or that their treated badly because of their sex, and then there are women who have it really bad.
pillow bunny
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forgot who mentioned this, but what's wrong with TERFs? as far as I know they're just saying that there are no differences between male and female brains, so it's impossible for people to have been born in the wrong bodies, and that if gender norms were eliminated, dysmorphic (idk how to spell) people would not need to transition to fit in. so basically transitioning is only a short term fix to a long term problem
Society is male dominated, centered, and oriented. The fact that little boys are excused for picking on girls because they "like" them and little girls are told that they shouldn't be upset by a boy being mean because he has a crush on her is a problem. the fact that all superhero movies show the hero "claiming" the girl. Like just because it wasn't in those few shows you personally watched doesn't mean the objectivity of women isn't surrounding everyone all the time every day, even if you aren't blatantly aware of it
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