What are your thoughts about people Duping on acnl?

[okaimii]

I'm neutral about it. People can play however they want and duping can be very helpful. I used to dupe actually. Mainly for giveaways because I wanted to give people a chance to get items they really wanted. But I don't do it anymore because I upgraded to a New 3DS XL which doesn't have the wifi switch.

 

[kiti_in_wonderland]

The way I see it, if you're old enough to get on the internet and join a site like this you're old enough to be aware of what it could do to your game.

That being said - at the end of the day I personally have never done it, but if someone wants to it's their game and it doesn't hurt yours. I hack, and use power saves on one of my games. I know what could happen every time I do it, and it doesn't affect any one else's game. It can't, and I think the mods on here just make excuses for it because they simply don't like it.

What bothers me most is how the mods though don't let posts like this exist or let us talk about yet, but in my opinion people who TT and have cycling towns are cheaters too! {not that I personally have a problem} It's like...it's not okay to "dupe" "hack" or whatever and help others out for free but it's okay to pimp out villagers and charge based on a "system" -_-

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Players should be able to do whatever they want. It's their game, and if duping, using the RAM editor, and/or time travelling makes their experience better, let them be. Personally, I would love to do any of those things (especially the RAM editor), and these people learned how. I don't think they should be looked down upon for playing the game differently, but applauded for learning a new skill that hardly anyone performs. Also, most of the people who hack do it to help others. Mayor-ally on tumblr RAMed her cartridge and gives out free villagers, fish, money, etc. to players who ask, and she also does giveaways for these items several times a month. I have met TONS of dupers who give other players extra items or give some of their duped items away. People who time travel the most are usually cycle towns, and cycle towns give other people their villagers.

Instead of focusing on yourself and how "unfair" all of this is since YOU can't figure it out, look at the bigger picture. These people want to HELP you, and you're just telling them what they do is wrong since you can't do it and/or that function isn't available in the game itself. That's a little self-centered, don't you think?

If you really dislike these actions, don't support people who do them by not asking for their villagers or items. If you're jealous of their ability, learn how to do it yourself. Your reason for disliking duping is a little strange to me. You don't like it because it crashed your friends' DSes? That's a part of duping, your DS is supposed to crash. Screwing up your game is a risk you take by doing it. If you somehow find that a reasonable explanation to shun it, you do you, I guess...

I wish I had read this before even writing my post! Agree 100% but have to add,

Hacking {which can get any villager you want in boxes as well as picking which villagers in your town} is banned on here for some crazy reason. All these people say it's so unfair/so bad, but if the mods allowed it and someone did a free villager request, those same people would all of a sudden be okay with it so long as they were getting something out of it >.<

 

[Royce]

just an fyi duping doesn't make your ds crash, it makes the game, have that connection error sign, and duping is a calculated flick of the wifi switch, which tricks the game into duplicating the item, so it has nothing to do with corruption or so, as it only does a connection error, a corruption i caused when a game card is damaged or if a save has been interrupted (without the wifi thing) and also its basically refreshes when you dupe so theres no fact it causes corruption.

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The way I see it, if you're old enough to get on the internet and join a site like this you're old enough to be aware of what it could do to your game.

That being said - at the end of the day I personally have never done it, but if someone wants to it's their game and it doesn't hurt yours. I hack, and use power saves on one of my games. I know what could happen every time I do it, and it doesn't affect any one else's game. It can't, and I think the mods on here just make excuses for it because they simply don't like it.

What bothers me most is how the mods though don't let posts like this exist or let us talk about yet, but in my opinion people who TT and have cycling towns are cheaters too! {not that I personally have a problem} It's like...it's not okay to "dupe" "hack" or whatever and help others out for free but it's okay to pimp out villagers and charge based on a "system" -_-

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I wish I had read this before even writing my post! Agree 100% but have to add,

Hacking {which can get any villager you want in boxes as well as picking which villagers in your town} is banned on here for some crazy reason. All these people say it's so unfair/so bad, but if the mods allowed it and someone did a free villager request, those same people would all of a sudden be okay with it so long as they were getting something out of it >.<

i think its fine if its used fairly like giveaways and free things but not for selfish profit.

 

[kiti_in_wonderland]

just an fyi duping doesn't make your ds crash, it makes the game, have that connection error sign, and duping is a calculated flick of the wifi switch, which tricks the game into duplicating the item, so it has nothing to do with corruption or so, as it only does a connection error, a corruption i caused when a game card is damaged or if a save has been interrupted (without the wifi thing) and also its basically refreshes when you dupe so theres no fact it causes corruption.

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i think its fine if its used fairly like giveaways and free things but not for selfish profit.

I can see how using it for profit is completely unfair. What I was referring to more -
I had once seen someone wanting to sell a villager to buy another {they only had powersaves}, and when they saw how upset a girl was because she lost and didn't have enough tbt they decided to make a backup and give the villager away to all those who had lost for free. Then someone else reported them and made a big deal how horrible it is to own a powersave while they were just being nice :l

Hacking isn't easy though. If someone actually wanted to take the time to help people for free than I think the mods should start being more open minded

 

[Momo15]

People can play as they want on this game; duping, time travelling, and hacking are just ways to make the game easier and, in most cases, more enjoyable.

 

[CoobaCupcake]

What's power saving? I've heard of it, I just don't know what it is.

 

[Momo15]

What's power saving? I've heard of it, I just don't know what it is.

The Powersave device is used for backing up saves, as well as gaining items easily.

 

[kwark]

I see no problem with it. As long as it's an item someone sold by accident(without knowing you can't reorder it).

Other than that, I would not do it.

 

[mintellect]

What's power saving? I've heard of it, I just don't know what it is.

It's a hacking thing, where you can kind of 'save' your village, so if someone moves out or the data corrupts and is lost, you can use the power save to restore everything.

Anyway, I've actually duped myself a few times a while back, before I joined, and I'm pretty neutral about it. It can be helpful with giveaways and etcetera. I'm not gains it at all.

Just so people know, please DO NOT use local wireless for duping, if you do. Your town has a chance of corrupting if you mess up. Doing it via Internet is safe.

 

[pft7]

I'm not too fussed about, people will always. I mean always. Find ways to game the system, duping creates more of items especially rarer ones (and currency too) and therefore surely devalues them (basic economics, right? More supply, less demand,) so even if I'm not doing it myself, it makes it a lot easier for me to get the rare items people are duping even if I'm not doing it myself. So actually, I'm quite pro duping. I never would have guessed...

 

[mitzi_crossing]

I am neutral about people who dupe. I time travel a lot and I wouldn't want someone bashing that and attacking me for doing it, so I won't attack people who dupe. I once did a trade on another forum, and someone starting duping something for me, without me even knowing. So I've come across a duper before

As much as AC is an important part of my life, and many other peoples lives...it is just a game. And everyone has their way of playing games, whether it's appropriate or not (not saying that duping is inappropriate, but you know what I mean) Some people have more fun doing it that way, and that's totally okay. People who have an issue with it should just focus on themselves, and their game. You can't change how someone wants to play their own game

 

[Serif]

The way I see it, if you're old enough to get on the internet and join a site like this you're old enough to be aware of what it could do to your game.

That being said - at the end of the day I personally have never done it, but if someone wants to it's their game and it doesn't hurt yours. I hack, and use power saves on one of my games. I know what could happen every time I do it, and it doesn't affect any one else's game. It can't, and I think the mods on here just make excuses for it because they simply don't like it.

What bothers me most is how the mods though don't let posts like this exist or let us talk about yet, but in my opinion people who TT and have cycling towns are cheaters too! {not that I personally have a problem} It's like...it's not okay to "dupe" "hack" or whatever and help others out for free but it's okay to pimp out villagers and charge based on a "system" -_-

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I wish I had read this before even writing my post! Agree 100% but have to add,

Hacking {which can get any villager you want in boxes as well as picking which villagers in your town} is banned on here for some crazy reason. All these people say it's so unfair/so bad, but if the mods allowed it and someone did a free villager request, those same people would all of a sudden be okay with it so long as they were getting something out of it >.<

I think just the way this site is structured and the "standard" it holds may be part of the reason, as well as the economy and mentality that has developed.

I state this because on other sites, people who tend to dupe/hack usually do it for generous means. For example, one girl started this huuuuge villager request thread. She had saves of every villager, and you could request one at a time on her google docs. She'd constantly update the line and set a time when you could pick up your villager, and boom, there you go~ It was totally free and efficient and I wish she was still doing it, but sadly she's ceased.

Now that wouldn't be allowed here. Why? Well, for starters, it would defeat the purpose of the cyclers and profit. It's sad, but part of the availability on this site comes from numerous people cycling either for profit or to fight the for-profit system and offer these villagers for free. One could argue that cycling isn't really in the spirit of the game, which is one of the reasons duping/hacking is frowned upon in the first place, but cycling is also something that is "intended" for the game and, as such, is a cleaner way to give villagers out rather than outright giving them away through power saves.

Now I'm not saying I agree with this at all. I know that, at a time, cycling was rarely done for profit. I don't really know how the practice evolved, but now that it has, using unconstitutional methods could damage that practice. I think that is probably part of the reason why it's generally frowned upon, because many people have come to depend on cycling for currency, which in turn lets them either buy their own dreamies or invest in collectibles, or other portions of the board not having to do with AC but still requiring TBT~

So all I can really say is...yeah, I'm not a fan of it, but it's something that we should just respect. Perhaps someday in the future a change will be considered, but given the current state of things I would think maybe openly allowing it would be too rapid of a change, even if a large group of the userbase seems ok with it.

(Once again note I am not at all against duping/hacking nor am I against the rule, exactly. I'm just trying to give an unbiased opinion on why I think things are the way they are~)

 

[AmaiiTenshii]

sorry for bumping the thread but tbh i cant understand why people are so against duping. i just legitimately cannot understand how people can get angry at someone else doing something that they personally do not agree with.

if someone wants to dupe, fine by me. i'm not them, their game isnt mine, and it's not like i can stop them, and i think that's the most logical mentality on people who dupe. it's not your town, your items, your bells, etc, so why should it really matter if they dupe or not?

ive heard the argument of it ruining the game or something like that, but i really cant see how duping items or bells or whatever is really "ruining" the game. if anything, wouldnt it make the game technically better if you've got infinite money, all the items you want, etc? acnl is a life simulation, most people obviously dont have such perfect lives that really i cant see how it'd ruin a game like acnl to dupe.

i've personally never duped anything although i'm planning to buy a powersave so i can become a literal god in fire emblem awakening and pokemon x (i dont play online with those games tho) but i might eventually dupe in acnl if i ever get extremely bored or desperate. but to me it just doesnt make sense how some people can be against something that's pretty much harmless.

i also dont understand people who are against timetravelling, though, so maybe it's just me being dumb because if someone is doing something relatively harmless that doesnt affect anyone else i dont get why people will be against it.

tldr tbt user amaiitenshii doesnt understand the logic behind being against duping or tt-ing

 

[Byngo]

who cares if people dupe, if they do, that's wonderful for them. Same for TT'ers

Oh and I can't be bothered to read through the thread, but I'm sure there's people that have mentioned TT'ing is cheating. No, it's not. bye.

 

[Locket]

I am OK with it. I dupe (though I don't sell my items on here). It's their game. Not yours.

I know that it could corrupt my data, but the chance is really low.

I really don't see anything wrong with it. You can help someone. EX: My friend needs some bells. I can give them some because I have plenty.

 

[Loriii]

It's okay as long as you don't purposely make money out of it. I do it sometimes to help people get rare stuff and bells

 

[xiaonu]

I don't really mind it. So as long as dupers don't abuse other people by selling duped items at ridiculous prices because I feel everyone deserves a fair price for an item they may want. Duping doesn't really affect others much anyway since acnl is mostly played offline

 

[mayorcarlie]

I don't do it but I don't care how other people enjoy the game

 

[Serif]

sorry for bumping the thread but tbh i cant understand why people are so against duping. i just legitimately cannot understand how people can get angry at someone else doing something that they personally do not agree with.

if someone wants to dupe, fine by me. i'm not them, their game isnt mine, and it's not like i can stop them, and i think that's the most logical mentality on people who dupe. it's not your town, your items, your bells, etc, so why should it really matter if they dupe or not?

ive heard the argument of it ruining the game or something like that, but i really cant see how duping items or bells or whatever is really "ruining" the game. if anything, wouldnt it make the game technically better if you've got infinite money, all the items you want, etc? acnl is a life simulation, most people obviously dont have such perfect lives that really i cant see how it'd ruin a game like acnl to dupe.

i've personally never duped anything although i'm planning to buy a powersave so i can become a literal god in fire emblem awakening and pokemon x (i dont play online with those games tho) but i might eventually dupe in acnl if i ever get extremely bored or desperate. but to me it just doesnt make sense how some people can be against something that's pretty much harmless.

i also dont understand people who are against timetravelling, though, so maybe it's just me being dumb because if someone is doing something relatively harmless that doesnt affect anyone else i dont get why people will be against it.

tldr tbt user amaiitenshii doesnt understand the logic behind being against duping or tt-ing

I'm not against it but I can offer you a few different POVs if you're interested:

1) It makes the game "too easy" and, in turn, makes it boring. Part of Animal Crossing's charm is working hard day by day (TTing or normal time) to build your town in your image. Having everything at your disposal can be great, but taking out the challenge can often leave people feeling unfulfilled. A big part of the game is the challenge it presents, and taking it away is like taking all the vitamins and leaving empty calories.

It depends on the kind of person you are. For some people it's more enjoyable to eradicate the challenge. It's a personal preference in the end, but most people against it tend to appreciate that challenge and value the hard work that goes into creating towns.

2) It affects the economy and the value of items. I mentioned this a little in my previous post, but basically if you're duping and profiting, it's generally frowned upon. I actually am against profiting off duping, but that's the only aspect I dislike. Many people use it for charities and such, and making certain items available, which is amazing and I'm behind that. But there will always be people who believe certain items shouldn't be available, or that the worth is devalued because of more availability.

3) it goes against the spirit of the game. With the current value of villagers and the tiers and all that, many people already dislike cycling and the general trade of villagers because, honestly, it's kind of discomforting. Now I don't think like that but I can understand it. Well, using powersaves and the like to have villagers infinitely available is a notch on the same belt, so to speak. Once again, if you're profiting off this, it's bad juju. It it's for charity, awesome~ But once again, in terms of economy, the widespread availability of said animals can affect profit. So people both for the spirit of the game and the economy can find reasons to dislike this.

4) Some people are purists. Some people hate cycling and TTing because they enjoy their game in its purest form, as nature intended. That's fine. But inevitably, there are going to be people who dislike the idea of anything but. Unfortunately that's how they see it and there's not much you can do aside from accept their opinion and move on.

5) Some people are worried about data corruption. Explains itself.

All in all, once again, I'm not against it unless it's for-profit. But those who are have their reasons, some which I'm sure I didn't mention here, and well we just gotta respect it. Everyone has a right to their opinion, after all. Hopefully maybe I offered a little insight~ Even things that you think of as good and harmless can cause some waves for others.

 

[jcnorn]

I'm not against nor for duping. I am a little jealous though, sometimes when it takes forever to get something and I work really hard I would love to be able to do these things as well. But I'm too scared about it ruining my game and I also really enjoy the challenge that some have mentioned already. So for me it's mostly a jealousy that makes me pouty when other people do it. But it's not something that I would ban others from doing. Because in the end, it is their game.