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[Sporge27]

http://www.youtube.com/v/YBAay9nPtOU

I'm sorry there is a lot of ignorance on all sides in this thread about simply genres.

My thoughts on this case though are skewed heavily in favor of free speech. The way I see it, violent games don't cause violence in people, just that the more violent people are more likely to want to play violent games. This can actually serve as an outlet for the violence, actually making them less violent. In the same way something like going out for a jog would help.

This certainly isn't about only FPS games either. There was a time where even zelda games were "too violent" in the minds of some, these could be affected by the law as well.

Fact is, as a parent you have a say on what your kid plays. They would be doing it in your house/apartment/whatever after all. If you don't have the time to watch over your own children, then why do you even have children?

 

[Pear]

http://www.youtube.com/v/YBAay9nPtOU

I'm sorry there is a lot of ignorance on all sides in this thread about simply genres.

My thoughts on this case though are skewed heavily in favor of free speech. The way I see it, violent games don't cause violence in people, just that the more violent people are more likely to want to play violent games. This can actually serve as an outlet for the violence, actually making them less violent. In the same way something like going out for a jog would help.

This certainly isn't about only FPS games either. There was a time where even zelda games were "too violent" in the minds of some, these could be affected by the law as well.

Fact is, as a parent you have a say on what your kid plays. They would be doing it in your house/apartment/whatever after all. If you don't have the time to watch over your own children, then why do you even have children?

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

I honestly believe there is a humongous issue with society when it's illegal to buy a minor and M rated video game, but not to buy them an actual firearm.

 

[Garrett x50 cal]

They have a fine rule already.

No getting M rated games without an adult, whats wrong with that!? <_ <

 

[........]

They have a fine rule already.

No getting M rated games without an adult, whats wrong with that!? <_ <

Rebellious teenagers.

 

[Garrett x50 cal]

They have a fine rule already.

No getting M rated games without an adult, whats wrong with that!? <_ <

Rebellious teenagers.

...Teenagers = 13-17?

 

[........]

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[Tyeforce]

They have a fine rule already.

No getting M rated games without an adult, whats wrong with that!? <_ <

Because not all adults are responsible. Today, I sold Halo Reach to two little boys a mother of two little boys who couldn't have been a day over 7. >_>

 

[Pear]

They have a fine rule already.

No getting M rated games without an adult, whats wrong with that!? <_ <

Because not all adults are responsible. Today, I sold Halo Reach to two little boys a mother of two little boys who couldn't have been a day over 7. >_>

Dude, have you ever actually played Halo? It's not bat at all, the only rated it it M because they knew marketing. If it was inaccessible to many people, they'd want it even more. It's rated M for Blood, and Violence. Call of Duty 3 was rated T for Blood, Language, and Violence.

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/game-reviews/halo-reach

Ignore the super conservative review in the beginning, look at the parent reviews in the comments section.

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How is it a bad game at all? There's barely any blood.

 

[David]

They have a fine rule already.

No getting M rated games without an adult, whats wrong with that!? <_ <

Because not all adults are responsible. Today, I sold Halo Reach to two little boys a mother of two little boys who couldn't have been a day over 7. >_>

Dude, have you ever actually played Halo? It's not bat at all, the only rated it it M because they knew marketing. If it was inaccessible to many people, they'd want it even more. It's rated M for Blood, and Violence. Call of Duty 3 was rated T for Blood, Language, and Violence.

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/game-reviews/halo-reach

Ignore the super conservative review in the beginning, look at the parent reviews in the comments section.

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How is it a bad game at all? There's barely any blood.

Totally agree with you, anyone can play Halo. Tye just hates it cause it has the M rating on it. Ignorant douche.

 

[AndyB]

Totally agree with you, anyone can play Halo. Tye just hates it cause it has the M rating on it. Ignorant douche.

No, you are completely missing Tye's point. He doesn't like selling it to the parents who are clearly giving it to their underage child.
Sure, Halo isn't one of these ultra-violent games that are out there, but that isn't the point, it's that the underage child is going to be getting it. The rating system is there for a reason.

Name calling? Mhm, rated M indeed.

 

[David]

Totally agree with you, anyone can play Halo. Tye just hates it cause it has the M rating on it. Ignorant douche.

No, you are completely missing Tye's point. He doesn't like selling it to the parents who are clearly giving it to their underage child.
Sure, Halo isn't one of these ultra-violent games that are out there, but that isn't the point, it's that the underage child is going to be getting it. The rating system is there for a reason.

Name calling? Mhm, rated M indeed.

It's still a clean enough game for anyone to play. If Tye actually knew about it then he wouldn't be complaining about selling it to the mother and the kid.

 

[Ciaran]

The system is fine, it's really a parents choice if they want to give kids violent games or not.
The same with alcohol and tobacco, really.

 

[AndyB]

Totally agree with you, anyone can play Halo. Tye just hates it cause it has the M rating on it. Ignorant douche.

No, you are completely missing Tye's point. He doesn't like selling it to the parents who are clearly giving it to their underage child.
Sure, Halo isn't one of these ultra-violent games that are out there, but that isn't the point, it's that the underage child is going to be getting it. The rating system is there for a reason.

Name calling? Mhm, rated M indeed.

It's still a clean enough game for anyone to play. If Tye actually knew about it then he wouldn't be complaining about selling it to the mother and the kid.

You still don't get it, the game could be as mild or as violent as anything, but it's the fact the parent is just buying it for the underage child!
It's because it has that rating.

 

[David]

Totally agree with you, anyone can play Halo. Tye just hates it cause it has the M rating on it. Ignorant douche.

No, you are completely missing Tye's point. He doesn't like selling it to the parents who are clearly giving it to their underage child.
Sure, Halo isn't one of these ultra-violent games that are out there, but that isn't the point, it's that the underage child is going to be getting it. The rating system is there for a reason.

Name calling? Mhm, rated M indeed.

It's still a clean enough game for anyone to play. If Tye actually knew about it then he wouldn't be complaining about selling it to the mother and the kid.

You still don't get it, the game could be as mild or as violent as anything, but it's the fact the parent is just buying it for the underage child!
It's because it has that rating.

I do get it. You're saying the parent shouldn't be buying an underage kid an M rated game. Agreed. But with Halo, it's not really a big deal. That game isn't bad.

 

[Tyeforce]

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It's still a clean enough game for anyone to play. If Tye actually knew about it then he wouldn't be complaining about selling it to the mother and the kid.

You still don't get it, the game could be as mild or as violent as anything, but it's the fact the parent is just buying it for the underage child!
It's because it has that rating.

I do get it. You're saying the parent shouldn't be buying an underage kid an M rated game. Agreed. But with Halo, it's not really a big deal. That game isn't bad.

Regardless of whether or not it's as bad as other M-rated games, it's still not suitable for a 7-year-old. And AndyB is right about the point I'm trying to get across. It's the fact that the parent is buying an M-rated game for their kids in the first place.

 

[-Aaron]

This is why this bill is a joke.

http://www.youtube.com/v/wBsxGepJGe0

 

[Psychonaut]

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It's still a clean enough game for anyone to play. If Tye actually knew about it then he wouldn't be complaining about selling it to the mother and the kid.

You still don't get it, the game could be as mild or as violent as anything, but it's the fact the parent is just buying it for the underage child!
It's because it has that rating.

I do get it. You're saying the parent shouldn't be buying an underage kid an M rated game. Agreed. But with Halo, it's not really a big deal. That game isn't bad.

david.

i don't think i've ever seen you back up your opinions with fact.

*censored.3.0*ing opinions, how do they work?

well, when someone has an opinion that they feel is correct, they usually find evidence that proves that their opinion is correct, as opposed to the person saying otherwise. at this point, the opinion can be stated as fact, and is then to be dissected and disregarded by the opposition, in place of their own facts, and so on, until one of the two parties drops the ball, and is the "winner".

but who am i kidding, winning a "debate" on the internet? pssh.

tl;dr, learn opinion vs fact, bro.

 

[David]

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You still don't get it, the game could be as mild or as violent as anything, but it's the fact the parent is just buying it for the underage child!
It's because it has that rating.

I do get it. You're saying the parent shouldn't be buying an underage kid an M rated game. Agreed. But with Halo, it's not really a big deal. That game isn't bad.

david.

i don't think i've ever seen you back up your opinions with fact.

*censored.3.0*ing opinions, how do they work?

well, when someone has an opinion that they feel is correct, they usually find evidence that proves that their opinion is correct, as opposed to the person saying otherwise. at this point, the opinion can be stated as fact, and is then to be dissected and disregarded by the opposition, in place of their own facts, and so on, until one of the two parties drops the ball, and is the "winner".

but who am i kidding, winning a "debate" on the internet? pssh.

tl;dr, learn opinion vs fact, bro.

Facts? Just play the damn game and you'll know what it's like. It's no worse than something like the Metroid Primes or Zelda: Twilight Princess.

 

[Psychonaut]

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I do get it. You're saying the parent shouldn't be buying an underage kid an M rated game. Agreed. But with Halo, it's not really a big deal. That game isn't bad.

david.

i don't think i've ever seen you back up your opinions with fact.

*censored.3.0*ing opinions, how do they work?

well, when someone has an opinion that they feel is correct, they usually find evidence that proves that their opinion is correct, as opposed to the person saying otherwise. at this point, the opinion can be stated as fact, and is then to be dissected and disregarded by the opposition, in place of their own facts, and so on, until one of the two parties drops the ball, and is the "winner".

but who am i kidding, winning a "debate" on the internet? pssh.

tl;dr, learn opinion vs fact, bro.

Facts? Just play the damn game and you'll know what it's like. It's no worse than something like the Metroid Primes or Zelda: Twilight Princess.

even if i played the game, my opinion still wouldn't matter.

and I played Halo on PC once or twice at school about five years ago, and Halo 3 a bit when it was released with a friend. I didn't really understand why it's so wildly popular, but then again, it was mainly just dicking around.

the esrb rated the game M due to blood, and realistic/detailed violence (since sci-fi isn't really realistic, yet)
the esrb rated metroid prime T, most likely due to the lack of realistic violence (by which i mainly mean blood, and that your enemies all either asplode into balls of light, or just disintegrate)
rating on the newer zeldas is T, IIRC (not counting the DS ones), for fantasy violence, and maybe for comic mischief.
the esrb rating is the only real fact that you can present when saying that a child should or shouldn't be allowed to have a game, your/my opinion means nothing.

the parents are the ones who must interpret the "facts" of the esrb rating system, and come to their own conclusion as to if the game is suitable for thier children.



let me reiterate for you david.

tl;dr, your, mine, or anyone elses opinion, bar parents, will mean nothing if all that they are based on is playing the game.

the facts are what is contained in the game, and how the game has been rated, not how you or anyone else thinks the game should be rated.

the only exception is the parents of the underage children, who ultimately make the decision, and make or break the ratings existence.

 

[David]

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david.

i don't think i've ever seen you back up your opinions with fact.

*censored.3.0*ing opinions, how do they work?

well, when someone has an opinion that they feel is correct, they usually find evidence that proves that their opinion is correct, as opposed to the person saying otherwise. at this point, the opinion can be stated as fact, and is then to be dissected and disregarded by the opposition, in place of their own facts, and so on, until one of the two parties drops the ball, and is the "winner".

but who am i kidding, winning a "debate" on the internet? pssh.

tl;dr, learn opinion vs fact, bro.

Facts? Just play the damn game and you'll know what it's like. It's no worse than something like the Metroid Primes or Zelda: Twilight Princess.

even if i played the game, my opinion still wouldn't matter.

and I played Halo on PC once or twice at school about five years ago, and Halo 3 a bit when it was released with a friend. I didn't really understand why it's so wildly popular, but then again, it was mainly just dicking around.

the esrb rated the game M due to blood, and realistic/detailed violence (since sci-fi isn't really realistic, yet)
the esrb rated metroid prime T, most likely due to the lack of realistic violence (by which i mainly mean blood, and that your enemies all either asplode into balls of light, or just disintegrate)
rating on the newer zeldas is T, IIRC (not counting the DS ones), for fantasy violence, and maybe for comic mischief.
the esrb rating is the only real fact that you can present when saying that a child should or shouldn't be allowed to have a game, your/my opinion means nothing.

the parents are the ones who must interpret the "facts" of the esrb rating system, and come to their own conclusion as to if the game is suitable for thier children.



let me reiterate for you david.

tl;dr, your, mine, or anyone elses opinion, bar parents, will mean nothing if all that they are based on is playing the game.

the facts are what is contained in the game, and how the game has been rated, not how you or anyone else thinks the game should be rated.

the only exception is the parents of the underage children, who ultimately make the decision, and make or break the ratings existence.

Cool.