Terrorist Attacks in Paris

[iamnothyper]

I hope you realize that the War on Terror was a military campaign against terrorists without calling out a specific group or party and was not a declaration of war

war (noun): a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/syria-troops-special-operations-forces/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/u-s-airstrike-targets-jihadi-john-in-syria/

no, not war.

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this is turning into a war on terror thread, so i'll just end this by saying we cant just sit here waiting for the next attack.

 

[MozzarellaSticks]

I hope you realize that the War on Terror was a military campaign against terrorists without calling out a specific group or party and was not a declaration of war

Why do you think they didn't call out a specific group? Because they change. It covers ISIS, as well as many other groups. They never outright said just Al Qeada because they knew there were other groups and emergent groups.

You can argue about the samentics of war vs military campaigns, but the fact they named a military campaign with the word war in the title says enough.

 

[Aestivate]

war (noun): a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/syria-troops-special-operations-forces/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/u-s-airstrike-targets-jihadi-john-in-syria/

no, not war.

I guess everybody has different opinions about what is a war and what is not. Regardless of that, I don't see why anyone would think war is the solution here. Fighting back against ISIS is indeed the only option here as they don't let themselves be influenced by anything else, at least it is in my opinion. War would just mean that all countries that are against ISIS would declare it war. Then there's the problem that ISIS is not a country but a group of individuals within a country which causes law restrictions. This whole thing of some people saying ''just nuke them all'' or ''just kill them all'' is the countless times simplified action of what we're able to do in this situation. Countless of factors need to be taken in consideration which people such as you and I don't have any influence in, only high-political individuals.

There are some far-right political groups here who think, and I'm sure these are statements that are made in other countries too, that we need to close all borders. Or even more right-winged, just don't let anybody in. Unless your country has declared itself neutral in this situation, then that isn't going to happen, I'm very sorry. And even if it did, I doubt members of ISIS will respect anyone's neutrality. To be honest, I personally don't see the whole connection with refugee crisis and terrorism as some people make them.

Oh, I guess I need to simplify my opinion for some people
Fighting back =/= war

 

[iamnothyper]

"Regardless of that, I don't see why anyone would think war is the solution here. Fighting back against ISIS is indeed the only option here as they don't let themselves be influenced by anything else, at least it is in my opinion."

i dont understand the point you are trying to make here. so we need to fight back but not engage in war?

well this is too off-topic, so im just gonna agree to disagree with you.

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Spoiler: official isis statement for the curious

 

[santoyo.bay]

My heart goes out to all the people who were affected, keeping Paris in my thoughts.

 

[The Hidden Owl]

i dont understand the point you are trying to make here. so we need to fight back but not engage in war?

well this is too off-topic, so im just gonna agree to disagree with you.

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Spoiler: official isis statement for the curious

And how do people say that the killings were not connected to religion?

Literally this whole statement was saying they killed for allah's sake.

 

[iamnothyper]

And how do people say that the killings were not connected to religion?

Literally this whole statement was saying they killed for allah's sake.

they are saying their religion is being misrepresented. they are saying it is not connected to true islamic ideals. to the extremists all this is done in the name allah, but they are saying that is "fake" religion. terrorism has no religion.

 

[The Hidden Owl]

Anyways, keep praying for the families and communities affected by the disaster.

 

[Raffy]

I'm really scared about this.
I have an uncle living in Paris studying abroad, and I've never met him in person.
I don't really have contact with him so I'm just hoping that my dad can talk to him on facebook or something.

It's a really horrible thing that horrible people are killing innocent citizens.

 

[iamnothyper]

I'm really scared about this.
I have an uncle living in Paris studying abroad, and I've never met him in person.
I don't really have contact with him so I'm just hoping that my dad can talk to him on facebook or something.

It's a really horrible thing that horrible people are killing innocent citizens.

on facebook people can mark themselves as "safe"
you guys can try to look and see if your uncle has done so?

 

[EpicGamer12]

I guess everybody has different opinions about what is a war and what is not. Regardless of that, I don't see why anyone would think war is the solution here. Fighting back against ISIS is indeed the only option here as they don't let themselves be influenced by anything else, at least it is in my opinion. War would just mean that all countries that are against ISIS would declare it war. Then there's the problem that ISIS is not a country but a group of individuals within a country which causes law restrictions. This whole thing of some people saying ''just nuke them all'' or ''just kill them all'' is the countless times simplified action of what we're able to do in this situation. Countless of factors need to be taken in consideration which people such as you and I don't have any influence in, only high-political individuals.

There are some far-right political groups here who think, and I'm sure these are statements that are made in other countries too, that we need to close all borders. Or even more right-winged, just don't let anybody in. Unless your country has declared itself neutral in this situation, then that isn't going to happen, I'm very sorry. And even if it did, I doubt members of ISIS will respect anyone's neutrality. To be honest, I personally don't see the whole connection with refugee crisis and terrorism as some people make them.

Oh, I guess I need to simplify my opinion for some people
Fighting back =/= war

The Cold War never even had any battles. It was just countries building stronger and stronger nukes. You can have your opinion but all we're saying is that it doesn't make any sense.

 

[crystalmilktea]

And how do people say that the killings were not connected to religion?

Literally this whole statement was saying they killed for allah's sake.

it's like how many Christians denounce and do not acknowledge Westborough Baptist church, or gunmen who kill because "God told them to"

 

[Reindeer]

To be honest, I personally don't see the whole connection with refugee crisis and terrorism as some people make them.

The connection is that one of them entered Europe in the migrant stream just last month. The daesh had threatened that this would happen last year, but for some reason it wasn't taken seriously. Now it's actually happened.

Right-wing people are rightfully angry over this. For months, they warned their countries, they asked for closed borders or heavy regulation, but instead they were silenced and called stuff like "racist" and "nazi". There won't be any apology to them, even though they were right.

The Cold War never even had any battles.

If you mean between the United States and Soviet Union directly, it didn't. However it did have proxy wars, where the US or USSR would support a country engaged in combat in an attempt to hurt the other.

The Syrian civil war is no different. Russia is supporting the Syrian government, while the US is supporting the rebels. Both (as well as other countries) are bombing the daesh because they are considered enemies by all.

 

[visibleghost]

The connection is that one of them entered Europe in the migrant stream just last month. The daesh had threatened that this would happen last year, but for some reason it wasn't taken seriously. Now it's actually happened.

Right-wing people are rightfully angry over this. For months, they warned their countries, they asked for closed borders or heavy regulation, but instead they were silenced and called stuff like "racist" and "nazi". There won't be any apology to them, even though they were right.


If you mean between the United States and Soviet Union directly, it didn't. However it did have proxy wars, where the US or USSR would support a country engaged in combat in an attempt to hurt the other.

The Syrian civil war is no different. Russia is supporting the Syrian government, while the US is supporting the rebels. Both (as well as other countries) are bombing the daesh because they are considered enemies by all.

yeah, well, if the right-wing people want to close the borders to all refugees it's really ****ty because there are several hundred thousands of refugees who aren't terrorists. they weren't right, they were racist. Yeah, it's a good idea to check who comes into the country to try to make sure they aren't terrorists, but it's not right to close borders or let a lot less people in.
i hope racist parties over europe won't use this as an excuse to stop letting people into their countries because there are so many refugees that won't have anywhere to go then smh

 

[Reindeer]

yeah, well, if the right-wing people want to close the borders to all refugees it's really ****ty because there are several hundred thousands of refugees who aren't terrorists. they weren't right, they were racist. Yeah, it's a good idea to check who comes into the country to try to make sure they aren't terrorists, but it's not right to close borders or let a lot less people in.
i hope racist parties over europe won't use this as an excuse to stop letting people into their countries because there are so many refugees that won't have anywhere to go then smh

I personally am for heavy regulation, I think closing the borders entirely would be cruel. However, I also recognize the danger that they could radicalize here. The fact that some of them expect to be handed things on a silver platter contributes to their disappointment, and then some of those start having weird ideas, thinking they are being treated like that because they are Muslim (rather than realizing refugees of any creed or religion would be treated the same).

And European countries should have all the right to close their borders. If Middle Eastern countries can do it without any complaints, why can't they? Turkey has done really well in taking in refugees, but they're not the only ones that are capable. Saudi Arabia is safe, and has only taken in about 500 refugees. Kuwait is safe and has taken in 0. Qatar is safe and has taken in 0. The United Arab Emirates is safe and has taken in 0. There's a large list of countries that could have easily taken in refugees, but refused to. Nobody bats a ****ing eye at those borders being closed for refugees, but when a European country does it, like when Hungary closed theirs, everybody starts complaining.

These are unfair circumstances that people are unhappy with. That's the entire reason that anti-immigrant and anti-EU parties are gaining support. People want their country to be safe, and they want their country to be able to say refuse the EU's demands.

 

[Knopekin]

For god's sake.

The people who carried out these attacks are the people the Syrian refugees are trying to get away from. That's literally why they're fleeing the country where they were born, grew up, and had friends and family.

Poor Paris had a taste of what's been going on in Syria for ages. We should be more sympathetic to the refugees, not less.

 

[piichinu]

I'm all for being sympathetic (most of my family is stuck in Syria) but idk if it's that safe to let every single person in

Or at least that's what some of my relatives down there are saying

 

[Reindeer]

For god's sake.

The people who carried out these attacks are the people the Syrian refugees are trying to get away from. That's literally why they're fleeing the country where they were born, grew up, and had friends and family.

Poor Paris had a taste of what's been going on in Syria for ages. We should be more sympathetic to the refugees, not less.

Who was talking about not being sympathetic with them? It's terrible what's happened to them and they do need a place to go. All I tried to do was explain the thoughts of people on the right. I said I support heavy regulation, meaning that they still get in, the process just takes a bit longer.

And I also agree with the sentiment that European countries should be able to close their borders at all times. It's absolutely ridiculous that Muslim countries can do it without any repercussions, when it would alleviate many of the stressful situations that have cropped up in Europe as well as offer a safe place for the refugees, but we still have to hear Saudi Arabia (one of the countries refusing to take in refugees) complain about how they're being treated in Europe.

 

[dizzy bone]

It's all so terrible. A Cambodian restaurant was among those fired at and at least 14 people were killed... I'm glad my Cambodian relatives in Paris are safe.. How is it that there were even bombings in Beirut around the same time? How is this still happening in the world?

Ugh religion is far too often used by minorities and bigots as an excuse for hatred. It just antagonises and emphasises differences among people... This is why all these #prayforparis posts seem so ironic to me even though they are meant for good. Innocent people were just slaughtered in the name of another imaginary deity. If they were born in another part of the world, they would be worshipping another God! People say that terrorism has no face or religion and that it's just an act of evil people - while I want to believe this is true, it is almost always fuelled by religion. Sorry /end rant about religion.

 

[EpicGamer12]

It's all so terrible. A Cambodian restaurant was among those fired at and at least 14 people were killed... I'm glad my Cambodian relatives in Paris are safe.. How is it that there were even bombings in Beirut around the same time? How is this still happening in the world?

Ugh religion is far too often used by minorities and bigots as an excuse for hatred. It just antagonises and emphasises differences among people... This is why all these #prayforparis posts seem so ironic to me even though they are meant for good. Innocent people were just slaughtered in the name of another imaginary deity. If they were born in another part of the world, they would be worshipping another God! People say that terrorism has no face or religion and that it's just an act of evil people - while I want to believe this is true, it is almost always fuelled by religion. Sorry /end rant about religion.

Well of course it's fueled by religion. Their beliefs. Pretty much everything on earth is fueled by beliefs. Some people's are good, some bad, and some terrible. Just because some are terrible does not mean all beliefs are terrible.