Terrorist Attacks in Paris

[iamnothyper]

slightly off topic, but i was wondering if anyone knew more about isis/other groups sentiments in the middle east. there was a chart going around about refugee sentiments towards isis ideals. i cant find it anymore nor do i know how accurate it is, but it was showing palestine and syria with the highest percentage of refugees who sympathized to some extent with the isis effort.

i was wondering how this could be. if you are a refugee you are someone who has supposedly run away for shelter. western propaganda highlights fear with all things isis, and i don't believe it is too far a stretch from what goes on there. im just kind of baffled by the idea of so many people being inclined to join these types of groups.

 

[Princess]

slightly off topic, but i was wondering if anyone knew more about isis/other groups sentiments in the middle east. there was a chart going around about refugee sentiments towards isis ideals. i cant find it anymore nor do i know how accurate it is, but it was showing palestine and syria with the highest percentage of refugees who sympathized to some extent with the isis effort.

i was wondering how this could be. if you are a refugee you are someone who has supposedly run away for shelter. western propaganda highlights fear with all things isis, and i don't believe it is too far a stretch from what goes on there. im just kind of baffled by the idea of so many people being inclined to join these types of groups.

One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

 

[iamnothyper]

I'm really scared that they'll come for us now.. Are they? I'm shaking right now.

http://www.youngcons.com/isis-names-washington-as-one-of-the-cities-theyre-targeting-next/

 

[Reindeer]

I'm really scared that they'll come for us now.. Are they? I'm shaking right now.

Do not be afraid. That's what they want. You live in a free country and deserve to live in peace, and you should. The best way to let them know that they have no power here is by not buckling to their threats and attacks.

Countries are on high alert now. Just today, several raids have been carried out in various countries, with possibly the most important one in Belgium.

Stay strong, and be alert. That's all I can say.

 

[iamnothyper]

One person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter.

freedom from what specifically? the way western propaganda paints it is that isis and extremist groups like that are the oppressors. i can see how people in the middle east would bear resentment towards the US though?

 

[Vida]

I'm praying for all the people in France. So many innocent people got killed. I'm at a loss for words on this.

 

[nerdatheart9490]

The worst part of this, to me, is that all of this sounds a lot like the start of WWII, as I learned it in history classes. There is a powerful force that wants to do bad things, and the people with the power to stop it are just appeasing the bad guys. "Yeah, you can do what you want. You want that country? Okay, just as long as you stay quiet. You can do whatever you want, just stay out of our hair."

In the case of Hitler, appeasing him lead to WWII. In this case, it has lead to the spread of ISIS and Islamic extremists. We're heading towards another world war, because those who have the power to stop ISIS, won't. At least this time around, France won't fall so easily.

 

[EpicGamer12]

http://www.youngcons.com/isis-names-washington-as-one-of-the-cities-theyre-targeting-next/

There is no actual proof to this at the moment and the article just links to a conspiracy site that literally just shows the image of this tweet.

 

[MozzarellaSticks]

freedom from what specifically? the way western propaganda paints it is that isis and extremist groups like that are the oppressors. i can see how people in the middle east would bear resentment towards the US though?

When you grow up in an area full of war and fighting, and someone comes in a promises a solution, you listen. There's also religious ties, kind of like how people can join the Westbro Baptist Church.

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The worst part of this, to me, is that all of this sounds a lot like the start of WWII, as I learned it in history classes. There is a powerful force that wants to do bad things, and the people with the power to stop it are just appeasing the bad guys. "Yeah, you can do what you want. You want that country? Okay, just as long as you stay quiet. You can do whatever you want, just stay out of our hair."

In the case of Hitler, appeasing him lead to WWII. In this case, it has lead to the spread of ISIS and Islamic extremists. We're heading towards another world war, because those who have the power to stop ISIS, won't. At least this time around, France won't fall so easily.

If anything, Russia is more similar to Germany pre-WWII. They have literally invaded and seized areas with no international resistance. They're amassing a military and won't say why.

No one has the power to stop ISIS. It's not a country or place. It's an idealist rebel group that hides and attacks at night. Much more similar to Vietnam than WWII.

 

[iamnothyper]

There is no actual proof to this at the moment and the article just links to a conspiracy site that literally just shows the image of this tweet.

i realized that after the fact, as i was looking through the paris tag on facebook and this popped up. im currently searching and so far no US news outlets have commented on this. i dont see any official european news outlets talking about it either, but a buncha people are tweeting out warning about the hastag. which by the way means paris on fire if i'm not mistaken.

 

[Reindeer]

slightly off topic, but i was wondering if anyone knew more about isis/other groups sentiments in the middle east. there was a chart going around about refugee sentiments towards isis ideals. i cant find it anymore nor do i know how accurate it is, but it was showing palestine and syria with the highest percentage of refugees who sympathized to some extent with the isis effort.

i was wondering how this could be. if you are a refugee you are someone who has supposedly run away for shelter. western propaganda highlights fear with all things isis, and i don't believe it is too far a stretch from what goes on there. im just kind of baffled by the idea of so many people being inclined to join these types of groups.

I assume you mean the poll linked here.

I can't understand the reasoning behind it. There was a civil war going on in Syria and ISIS took advantage of that to gain so much ground. It could be that the refugees interviewed at the time came from areas attacked by the Syrian government or the rebels, or both, but not ISIS.

The fact there's been protests to instate Sharia law in European countries (as I mentioned earlier in the thread) only highlights the problem of this ignorance. The article also mentions that bringing in refugees in so many numbers can increase the chance of some radicalizing due to social isolation. They are also misinformed, thinking that Western countries will give them a comfortable way of living as soon as they arrive.

And speaking of those kinds of refugees, I feel it's important to put them in their place, so they can start thinking rationally. If you come into a country where you're given shelter, three meals a day, as well as some money to spend, complaining about how "awful" your conditions are makes you seem like an entitled ****. If they dislike the conditions under which all refugees have to live in European countries, they should return to their war-torn country and step on a mine. See how great the conditions in their own country are.

 

[iamnothyper]

When you grow up in an area full of war and fighting, and someone comes in a promises a solution, you listen. There's also religious ties, kind of like how people can join the Westbro Baptist Church.

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i see, that makes sense. i guess i just didnt really understand how people who were running away from all this could still sympathize with the extremist ideals.

 

[MozzarellaSticks]

i see, that makes sense. i guess i just didnt really understand how people who were running away from all this could still sympathize with the extremist ideals.

Refugees aren't necessarily fleeing the rebels, but the war itself. Their homes became unsafe and destroyed. They've lost everything. They flee to safety. This is usually when people are more open to suggestion and possibility. The rebel groups know this. They prey on it, almost.

 

[jiny]

http://www.youngcons.com/isis-names-washington-as-one-of-the-cities-theyre-targeting-next/

No, just no. I am sick to my stomach, no. I don't live in either of those places but I'm still terribly frightened.

All I can say, is that many innocent lives were lost in Paris. My condolences go out to the relatives of the people who died.

 

[Dawnpiplup]

Omg, I just learned about this today this morning when my mom told me all about it. I just...can't believe it. All I can say is that the stupid ISIS terrorist group needs to go down. I mean, seriously! Lots of people have died because of the bombing of Friday the 13th yesterday. I just don't understand the people in ISIS...why would they do such a thing? It's just...unhuman. And I can't believe that some people are joining ISIS. I mean, what the heck? Join world peace, not this group that brings terror to the world...

 

[Izzy Reincarnated]

And there are a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of muslims in France. My friend went there and told me about it.

 

[Locket]

No, just no. I am sick to my stomach, no. I don't want to die so young. I don't live in either of those places but I'm still terribly frightened.

That scared me.

OBAMA! MAKE UP YOUR MIND! GO INTO WAR WITH ISIS! JUST DO IT!

 

[Celestefey]

No, just no. I am sick to my stomach, no. I don't want to die so young. I don't live in either of those places but I'm still terribly frightened.

Don't worry so much. Chances are everyone is on very high alert right now after this incident that the possibility of anything like this happening again anytime soon are low. It could happen, there is a chance, but this has certainly been a huge wake-up call for many European countries, as well as America I am sure. We have to show solidarity and strength during this time. Do not panic or feed off of the fear that they are trying to create as that is exactly what they want. It's difficult to know what to do and it is alarming to think this is what is happening to our world, but people will do whatever they can to protect their country. When you look at the grand scheme of things, Paris is a large city, and only a small portion of those people died. Whilst the lives that were taken are still too many, everyone in Paris right now is pulling together and staying strong during a time of need. Don't let this threat make you feel so afraid that you are sick to your stomach.

 

[EpicGamer12]

No, just no. I am sick to my stomach, no. I don't live in either of those places but I'm still terribly frightened.

All I can say, is that many innocent lives were lost in Paris. My condolences go out to the relatives of the people who died.

Well it's about time you wake up. There have been 325 shootings in the USA in 2015 alone so you're not really safe where you are either.

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

Not to mention, while not on such a large scale, bombings and shootings happen all the time. It's just that it's usually not reported unless it's in a non third world country.

 

[jiny]

That scared me.

OBAMA! MAKE UP YOUR MIND! GO INTO WAR WITH ISIS! JUST DO IT!

I agree. We need war. It'll help our country. But I'm pretty sure the U.S military is doing something about it by now.

Don't worry so much. Chances are everyone is on very high alert right now after this incident that the possibility of anything like this happening again anytime soon are low. It could happen, there is a chance, but this has certainly been a huge wake-up call for many European countries, as well as America I am sure. We have to show solidarity and strength during this time. Do not panic or feed off of the fear that they are trying to create as that is exactly what they want. It's difficult to know what to do and it is alarming to think this is what is happening to our world, but people will do whatever they can to protect their country. When you look at the grand scheme of things, Paris is a large city, and only a small portion of those people died. Whilst the lives that were taken are still too many, everyone in Paris right now is pulling together and staying strong during a time of need. Don't let this threat make you feel so afraid that you are sick to your stomach.

Um, okay. I asked my mom if we were going to be safe and she told me yes. We were watching the news last night and she was scared too, I could tell. All I hope is that things get better for us next year.