Dunno what your problem is with me but whatever it is, I demand for you to stop it at once, There's no reason to stab and it surely would've been alot better to PM me with this nonsense.
First of all, I have no problem with you. I truly tried to be as civil and polite as possible, I had no intention of "stabbing". I was being honest. Secondly, you
demand me to stop? I'm sorry, but you made this a public matter by publically posting rude things. As a professional artist, I do not think the matter of a virtual currency's validity is an inappropriate subject of public debate. This discussion, after all, revolves around a professional artist's investment of time and hard work, and is placed on a subforum that is much about transactions and art.
There should be no problem discussing these matters publically, especially as you already left "stabbing" remarks yourself on this very thread, calling people who would pay what you find to be inappropriately high amounts of fake currency to be "whores". If the staff truly deems me unreasonable in furthering this discussion and they want to take action of some sort or ban me, then so be it; but I would hope important debate regarding giving respect to artists would not be seen as an issue that is problematic to pursue publically in a civil manner. After my first post I already received PMs from other artists on the boards thanking me for bringing it up and saying that the way you act about art is rude, which only furthers my belief that this issue is one that should be faced publically. I think this is a kind of behavior that should be challenged and argued against, and it was obviously at a place where people didn't think they had the room to do so.
It takes roughly 45 minutes to drop 30 Million Bells alone, I understand effort goes into art but nobody and I mean NOBODY enjoys running to the ATM to get bells and drop them non-stop for 45 minutes and more, I hate it because I could be doing other things, But if you must continue to act like I'm making it sound like it's not worth someone's artwork then please, continue and make my ****ing day.
Okay, I understand your rationale here, and it's sound. Peoples' time definitely has a worth, you running back and forth from the ATM included. And yes, it's true, such an endeavor is painstakingly mundane to do. When you approach the subject in bells from this context- that the time spent placing the bags of bells has a worth- that is an inarguable truth, whether or not the bells are hacked.
However, let's take a look at your previous offer. This art is priced at $60 a picture. You offered 30 million bells, which you say amounts to 45 minutes of easy (but boring) work. You are implying, in this specific context, that running back and forth from the ATM is worth $80 an hour.
I think anyone would agree this is quite ridiculous, so let's try to assign a more believable value to the job of being a bell chauffeur. Let's say a concrete value to dropping bells for an hour could be $10. I would say this is a bit of a highball, considering many people work in highly stressful environments for a minimum wage of $7.25 USD. Dropping bells requires less hard work and experience than many jobs that pay less do, at this purported $10 an hour bell dropping rate. But let's carry on with $10 anyway.
That exorbitantly renders the going rate of USD to bells at $10 per 40 million bells moved- $10 for what is by your estimate one hour of work. At this rate, to match the art's actual USD price of $60, 240 million bells would be required, or 6 hours of moving bells. The "stupid price" the auction had escalated to, 190 million bells, falls short of this... 190 million converts to $47.50, which is
still underselling the art by the amount a loving tip would make it oversell by. It's less than 5 hours of work at our purported, overly generous bell value.
Let's compare that to someone who, instead of moving bells for 5 hours, goes to work in a harsh environment every day for 8... At $7.25, even if we pretended taxes wouldn't take a cut out of a day's work, it would still take more than one full-time shift to pay the cost of the art in this thread. This could entail being yelled at, dealing with people you don't want to deal with, and just generally being in a soul crushing environment.
That contrasts greatly to moving bells at your own pace from the comfort of your own home. It wouldn't even need to all be on the same day... it could be over the course of weeks, or months, or anything you and the artist could agree on.
Sorry if over 100 Million (Nearly 200 Million now) is just pocket change??? I severely apologize for not knowing that! Silly me!
Hours of work moving bells shouldn't be pocket change, you have that right, but neither is the $60 value the art holds, which also takes hours of work to produce. That's not pocket change, either. Do you feel entitled to
get the $60 worth of art for simple pocket change? Because that's exactly what you're saying lines up towards meaning. Especially as we venture into the next paragraph...
No, it's stupid, stupidly high, It's obviously a hacked amount because I've never met someone with that amount of money without a Powersave, I should know because I have one, The reason why I don't throw my money at peoples faces is because of the dropping time, If it was more faster or if Animal Crossing just supported a Bell transfer system then fair do's, I'd pay a few Billion.
Hold up, here, you admit to cheating for bells... You do realize that instantly renders any meaning the bells have beyond the time it takes to drop them
completely inert, don't you? If you could instantly transfer bells, then they would ironically mean even less- their value would devolve to literally nothing, because there would be no work involved in dropping them. In this theoretical situation, a billion is nothing when there is an infinite supply for you to effortlessly draw upon... what you're saying through all of this, ultimately, is that you want free work in exchange for doing nothing.
You complain about the fact bell prices are so high, when people who illegitimately gain bells are the ones who necessitated it. Perhaps prices were once lower when bells were more oftenly gained through legitimate means on average. But when those bells are hacked into existence? You cannot create money out of nothing. It is simple supply and demand that,
of course the economy would shift and prices would raise to the point where the only important thing is the time it takes for the bells to be moved. Hyogo, in a scenario where there was no effort barrier to moving those bells, you wouldn't even be able to buy art for hundreds of millions of bells unless you were taking advantage of someone underselling themselves by a literally infinite amount.
Perhaps bells once had more true value, when the legitimacy behind them was more commonplace. But as someone who hacks bells yourself, don't call people who want to pay a reasonable amount of time and effort to match the artwork's actual value "whores". It's the fact people hack bells at all in the first place which devalued them to nothing more than the effort it takes to taxi them. I find it very rude and entitled.
No more of this will be discussed, leave it to OP to deal with this monster of a high offer.
No more of this will be discussed? Who are you, the staff?... Again, if the staff themselves wish to cite infraction upon me for stirring a flame war, or derailing a thread- and ban me or whatever, then fine. But I would hope my actions would instead be seen as something that is relevant and important to have a public discussion about, and I
am attempting to be as civil and respectful as possible.
You say I stabbed you and the way you write makes it seem like your ego is bruised. I do think you are a bully for sure, whether it's intentional or not, but I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I have no problem with
you, I only find the behavior and what you said to be problematic, and there is a difference. When artists over PM tell me that you are rude then I know for sure you have hurt feelings in the past. I don't think you truly want this. I think this is an important discussion to be had. Things are only resolved and bettered through debate, not bottling things up and ignoring them. When you publically continue to say things like you've said in this topic, and then defend them, I feel like you are defending fallacy and trying to justify entitlement, and these are things that need to be addressed on a public level and met with education so more people are not hurt or led to undervalue their own work.
The OP is a professional artist by trade, and going through college. In the US an innumerable amount of college students are horribly crippled by debt. It makes headlines and no one knows what on earth to do about it. I have many friends who have gone through useless art colleges- one who dropped out and now has $30,000 in debt hanging over their head... and they got the easy end of the stick. Another friend who stayed in the same college all the way through is now $100,000 in debt and no closer to professional work because of this "higher education".
Life as a professional artist is hard. I and my girlfriend have
both gone through homelessness in our struggle to be self sufficient artists, and I know more than just a few others who have as well. Many professional artists on the internet get well under minimum wage. Please do not undervalue our struggle, call reasonable prices stupid and those that would pay them "whores".
If you do not want to put in the effort to meet the cost of the art by moving bells, then order a money commission. If you do not have money, ask for an art trade. If you cannot draw, ask for a request. If they do not take the request, sorry... but you are not entitled to art from them. Your offer, 30 million bells, only amounts to $7.50 USD worth of effort when assigned an exorbitant worth of 10/hour. No one should be called a whore for trying to pay a reasonable price.
I understand that this conversation is not the point of this particular thread, but it's where discussion within it has led. I definitely feel it is a reasonable conversation to have on this forum in the face of devaluation of bells, and how much is reasonable exchange for art. It may be more appropriate posted as a separate topic entirely, but I no longer have anything to say- this is my entire piece- so I'll just put it here.
oops), thank you so much, and I'm so honored you all like my art! 
