Shooting in German mall

[Fleshy]

It doesn't matter. If guns were banned people always find a way to illegally obtain them. Say guns were banned and there was absolutely no way for bad people to get their hands on them... ?mile Henry, committed one of the first (or first) acts of terrorism by detonating a homemade bomb in a cafe in France wounding 20 and killing 1. Going back to your knife point, let's not forget about the Kunming stabbing in China where 8 knife wielders killed 29 people and injuring 140. One person may not be as dangerous with a knife, but in a group it can be very fatal. Furthermore, the Nice attack in France was done with a truck killing 84 and leaving hundreds injured. My point is that people are crafty and will always find a way to carry out these evil acts with guns or no guns if their ill intent is strong enough.

It does matter. Guns should never have been created in the first place, they were created for killing, that's my main issue here. Why still, to this day, is it even remotely normalised to own countless weapons that were made for killing? There's no need.

I am fully aware that countless murders are committed with things other than guns, obviously. I'm also very aware that knives are dangerous, heck, people get stabbed to death all the time! My point is that knives were first created millions of years ago with the intention of being used as tools. Guns were created a few thousand years ago with the intent of killing. I'm not completely oblivious. I'm aware that knives have killed many, many people and I know that people would still obtain guns and kill people with them if they were banned, if not with guns, it'll be with something else. I know all this, but how does it make guns acceptable? Lets just legalise dangerous explosives because people are going to murder people anyway, regardless of whether explosives are legal or not.

I'm not going to comment anymore because, again, it feels rather disrespectful but when someone states that guns are not the problem and things like this would happen regardless it sounds really insensitive. If someone had a family member shot and since hate guns would you tell them that their family member would have been murdered anyway and guns aren't the problem? I know guns are not the full problem, but they are a massive part of it, it's absurd to me that anyone can dispute that and excuse guns.

 

[Reindeer]

It does matter. Guns should never have been created in the first place, they were created for killing, that's my main issue here. Why still, to this day, is it even remotely normalised to own countless weapons that were made for killing? There's no need.

The original reason humans started using sharp objects, basically primitive knives made from rock, was so that they could kill. Since then, we have supplemented more uses for them, so they aren't just for killing anymore.
The same is true for guns. They were invented with the intent to kill more efficiently, however, we've since thought of more uses for them, same as with knives.

I'd like to remind you once again that this happened in Germany, so owning a gun is not even remotely "normalized". It's a country with a population of 81 million (probably more now), of which 4 million have a permit to own a gun. (Edit: Just to add, the chance of running into a civilian carrying a gun in Germany is basically 0%. Guns can only be brandished in specified areas, outside of those areas they need to be stored in a safe.)
And for the record, the shooter in this incident did not have a permit. The gun was not his.

Wishing that guns were never invented is not going to make them disappear, so we have to learn to deal with them in various ways. One of those ways is by strict gun laws, which are in place in most of the EU nations. But we have to always be aware that due to smugglers and various other shady figures, there's always the real chance that some lunatics are going to get their hands on guns and use them to kill people.

Lets just legalise dangerous explosives because people are going to murder people anyway, regardless of weather explosives are legal or not.

What's this straw man? Nobody said we should legalize guns because "people are going to murder people anyway". Last I checked, explosives are even less legal than guns in Europe. That didn't stop 7 men from blowing themselves up in Paris, or another 3 from blowing themselves up in Brussels.
The point we're making is that, in Europe, stricter laws are not going to help, because those with criminal intent don't follow the law.

 

[Cory]

I wish guns didn't exist.

lol radical leftists

 

[DarkDesertFox]

It does matter. Guns should never have been created in the first place, they were created for killing, that's my main issue here. Why still, to this day, is it even remotely normalised to own countless weapons that were made for killing? There's no need.

I am fully aware that countless murders are committed with things other than guns, obviously. I'm also very aware that knives are dangerous, heck, people get stabbed to death all the time! My point is that knives were first created millions of years ago with the intention of being used as tools. Guns were created a few thousand years ago with the intent of killing. I'm not completely oblivious. I'm aware that knives have killed many, many people and I know that people would still obtain guns and kill people with them if they were banned, if not with guns, it'll be with something else. I know all this, but how does it make guns acceptable? Lets just legalise dangerous explosives because people are going to murder people anyway, regardless of whether explosives are legal or not.

I'm not going to comment anymore because, again, it feels rather disrespectful but when someone states that guns are not the problem and things like this would happen regardless it sounds really insensitive. If someone had a family member shot and since hate guns would you tell them that their family member would have been murdered anyway and guns aren't the problem? I know guns are not the full problem, but they are a massive part of it, it's absurd to me that anyone can dispute that and excuse guns.

You're wrong, actually, guns are not just used for killing. I encourage you to read to this list (source):

Spoiler: Gun Use List

- Protecting your family in emergencies
- Personal safety and self defense
- Preventing and deterring crimes
- Detaining criminals for arrest
- Guarding our national borders
- Preserving our interests abroad
- Helping defend our allies
- Overcoming tyranny
- International trade
- Emergency preparedness
- Commerce and employment
- Historical preservation and study
- Obtaining food by hunting
- Olympic competition
- Collecting
- Sporting pursuits
- Target practice
- Recreational shooting

Like knives, guns are tools. Many people use them to protect themselves while others use them for ill purposes such as murder, robbery, etc. I don't care if you respond anymore. I don't like when someone judges me as insensitive when I am a caring person towards others. I am simply saying removing guns will not solve the problem. I can tell you if I had a family member shot by someone I would direct my blame towards the person who pulled the trigger. I guess this is what I get for trying to state my opinion on Bell Tree. The discussions always feel one sided.

 

[Fleshy]

You're wrong, actually, guns are not just used for killing. I encourage you to read to this list (source):

Spoiler: Gun Use List

- Protecting your family in emergencies
- Personal safety and self defense
- Preventing and deterring crimes
- Detaining criminals for arrest
- Guarding our national borders
- Preserving our interests abroad
- Helping defend our allies
- Overcoming tyranny
- International trade
- Emergency preparedness
- Commerce and employment
- Historical preservation and study
- Obtaining food by hunting
- Olympic competition
- Collecting
- Sporting pursuits
- Target practice
- Recreational shooting

Like knives, guns are tools. Many people use them to protect themselves while others use them for ill purposes such as murder, robbery, etc. I don't care if you respond anymore. I don't like when someone judges me as insensitive when I am a caring person towards others. I am simply saying removing guns will not solve the problem. I can tell you if I had a family member shot by someone I would direct my blame towards the person who pulled the trigger. I guess this is what I get for trying to state my opinion on Bell Tree. The discussions always feel one sided.

I didn't say guns are only used for killing? I said that's what they were made for. Again, I'm not completely oblivious, I know that guns have other uses. Point 1-5 and many others in your list could quite easily lead to killing or are played on the fear of being killed, as well as the fact that recreational shooting and hunting is still killing.

I said it sounds insensitive, I did not say that you are insensitive and not a caring person, because I'm sure you are. I also don't know how this discussion is one sided when currently both you and reindeer are on one side and I'm on the other? You quoted me and replied, so I'm most likely going to reply, I don't know how that puts me in the wrong? I also believe that removing guns won't solve the problem (as I have said many times, they're not the source of the problem, but guns and gun laws are still part of the problem), so we're on the same page anyway? I apologise if anything I said came across as mean as that was not at all my intention, like you, I was just stating my opinion.