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So, I've noticed people saying they will give their shiny ____ for a shiny ____ or ____. Now, I've seen the same Pokemon go for different Pokemon based on opinion. But I think there should be a list that shows exactly what a shiny Pokemon is worth; that way we'll all get what we want.

This list is not fully based on opinion. It will also be based on how easily it's encountered in the wild, shiny or not. If it is not offered often or is legendary {legit}, it's likely to be on the Rares List, higher than a commonly-offered shiny would.

We'll need people to watch the Shiny thread and take surveys on "is this Pokemon rare" or not. It's not going to be easy to tag every Pokemon with a rarity, but I think the project will pay off in due time. It will require time and dedication to creating it. We'll need people who can be on for a while, stalking the Shiny Club and other resources for information, then send it off to an editor. The editor will edit the Rares list with the new information.

Not every Pokemon will make it to the list. Only ones like Shiny Growlithe or Shiny Gardevoir will make it, when no one quite knows what they're worth. Ones like Shiny Butterfree or Beedrill are easy; trade them for a Pokemon caught around the same that's also shiny. Other Pokemon aren't easy because they have different catch ratios.

If we get any people at all, then I'll create a link to a Google Doc to start creating it. It will look like this:


____ ------------ _____
____--------_____---------_____

Or something along those lines.

Staff, if this is not needed, please lock it. I just didn't think it would be proper to bring it up in the Shiny Club, since it's a Hunting club.
 
Isn't it as simple as:

-Fishing chain shiny
-Pokeradar-achievable shiny (any pokemon that can be chained)
-Safari shiny
-Legendary shiny


?
 
No, not exactly. Pokemon can be divided by group, yes, but when it comes to individual Pokemon, that's hard. It also depends if it hardly ever appears, or is hard to get, etc. Pokemon can be divided like that but it's easier to check out their stats, chances of being seen, moves, etc.

I honestly think if you put them on a list from best to not so best, you can see what is fair for your Pokemon rather than just what you want.
 
Yeah, fair enough. Its hard to make a list that isn't biased though, (obviously some people have preferences, I guess you are doing it by rarity though so it shouldn't matter).

I do fear that some people will take it too seriously and refuse other shinies because "this list says you are ripping me off". But idk.
 
That's also the way it works. Some people go fair, some don't. I just want to give a basic understanding of how rare this Shiny is, and if this shiny is worth that shiny. That's basically what the list means.
 
Personally, as long as its something I want for one of my shinies; I'm likely to trade my shiny for another shiny regardless of if I'm getting ripped off or not.

Though this list could make trading shinies a lot harder around here, since a lot of people are gonna start using the list to make sure they're getting a good trade for their shiny I'm sure.
 
That's easier to make bargains off of it. Before long, people might start auctioning off their shinies for TBT Bells, NL Bells, etc. so this is another way to make a deal with that.

Basically, a list will help determine if a Pokemon is as rare as that. It also helps on the GTS. I might go forward with it as a person project, just for my own reference and others if they want to.
 
is a shiny whismur worth anything idk i didnt chain for it it randomly jumped at me when i was hatcing eggs

but yeah chained fiah shinies arent rly worth naything now
 
I understand that you have good intentions with this but I personally don't want others declaring what they think my shinies are worth, it's up to the trader to decide what it's worth to them based on many factors beyond just species or method caught, it can include nature, personal preference, gender, egg moves, stats and so on and I for one find it continually rude and insulting when people tell me shinies are worth "crap" when they take effort to find and can be just as useful and liked as any other, depending on who is using them.
 
I understand that you have good intentions with this but I personally don't want others declaring what they think my shinies are worth, it's up to the trader to decide what it's worth to them based on many factors beyond just species or method caught, it can include nature, personal preference, gender, egg moves, stats and so on and I for one find it continually rude and insulting when people tell me shinies are worth "crap" when they take effort to find and can be just as useful and liked as any other, depending on who is using them.

And this is why I probably won't pay much attention to the list myself. So many people would start using that for every trade they do and people who have no luck getting shinies would never be able to trade for one.
 
How will you deal with pokemon whose method of obtaining is different between games? Like eevee, zoroark and ivysaur (friend safari).
 
This looks like a very cool idea! I agree with the others since it may be depended on way too much
However, like how others said, it is up to the trader to decide a) to use this list b) to choose rareness. I think this will be great as long as it is not depended on too much.
 
I get where people are coming from saying this thread will make people greedy and **** coz they all be like 'no not worth it YOLO' but im just gonna put my 2 cents worth of shiny value.

the basic stuff to understand is;
chain fished shiny = chain fished shiny
shiny legendary = shiny legendary

But asides from those, you have about 5407956784306843 other Pokemon which dont fit any of these categories, and this is probs where its gonna get confusing.
Each Pokemon is set into its own category - common/uncommon/rare/very rare. I'm sure there are more prominent sites out there which list them, but for me its easy just to use GPX+ because I've been there for such a long time, compelted my Pokedex, so I can easily search for the classification of any Pokemon (though it hasn't updated w/ 6th Gen yet, but there are only about 60 off Pokemon, so shouldn't be too hard to classify based on previous classifications)

I was going to upload dex pics of each category so you can see which Pokemon is in which category, but I can't be bothered (if people want me to I will)

That said though, there are certain things which need to be taken into account - such as shiny color, and stage +/-1 (i really didnt know what else to call it lol)

shiny color:
its so obvious that the shiny colouration of a Pokemon makes it more wanted. i know people really love the budew/roggenrolla/axew/kirlia shiny evolution lines, but roggen/budew are classed as common, whilst axew/kirlia are classed as uncommon. Because of this, i'd say they should be upped a tier due to being wanted more due to their shiny color.
and then we have pokemon without distinctive color change - ie; meowth and togepi (they're really the only two I can think of). Meowth is classed as uncommon, and Togepi classed as rare, but as their shiny colorations aren't that different to their regular colors, their value goes down (so meowth is now common, and togepi is uncommon)

stage +/-1
this is more of a common sense thing that I use which basically corrects pokemon to their proper rarities because i dont think they belong in the rarities they're under.
For this i'll mainly use the rare tier as an example because its the shortest so is much easier for me.
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Now given that list, there are so many thing I would change about it.
First of all, the only Pokemon that would definately be in the 'rare' list for me would be the starters/pseudo legendaries/other (because they're hard to get, or can only be obtained near end/post game) I feel as though I should list them all and then explain so maybe I will do that because that'll be easier (but i'll remove evos so it shortens the list) - I wont put in a spoiler either so it's easier, but if it stretches the page too much let me know and I'll put it in.

Bulbasaur
Charmander
Squirtle
Vulpix - uncommon
Kangaskhan
Tauros - uncommon
Lapras
Eevee
Porygon
Aerodactyl
Dratini
Chikorita
Cyndaquil
Totodile
Togepi - uncommon (as previously stated)
Shuckle - uncommon
Heracross - uncommon
Skarmory - uncommon
Stantler - uncommon
Miltank - uncommon
Larvitar
Treecko
Torchic
Mudkip
Slakoth - uncommon
Nosepass - uncommon
Torkoal
Zangoose - uncommon
Seviper - uncommon
Lunatone
Solrock
Feebas - uncommon
Castform
Kecleon
Tropius
Absol
Wynaut
Relicanth - chain fish
Bagon
Beldum
Turtwig
Chimchar
Piplup
Happiny - (shiny coloration is pre much the same) - uncommon
Spiritomb
Gible - NB: even though shiny coloration is pre much same, its a pseduo legndary, and mage garchomp is purple so it can stay as rare
Munchlax
Riolu
Rotom
Phione
Snivy
Tepig
Oshawott
Munna - uncommon
Sigilyph - uncommon
Zorua
Ducklett - uncommon
Emolga
Alomomola - chain fish
Tynamo
Cryogonal - uncommon
Golett
Rufflet
Vullaby
Deino
Larvesta

that's just what I would do because that's how I'd rate them and that's how valuable they are to me


but all in all, it really comes down to the traders. If they're willing to negotiate, as long as they'er happy with what they're both getting, it shouldn't matter what they trade.
If said person really wants a Pokemon in the common category, and they're willing to trade a rare tiered pokemon - then who really cares.
As long as they're both happy with what they're receiving then it shouldn't matter IMO. Hence why I often decline shiny offers when I get trade requests, because I'm simple not looking for that shiny.

also once Pokemon bank goes live, I'm going to try to only trade from Pokemon which haven't been transferred, just so rarity isn't affected as some pokemon are easier to get in previous games, but harder to get in X/Y.

that being said, stats and all that **** are also taken into account. someone might be looking for a shiny Pokemon to use competitively, and this Pokemon might be classed as common, but be a good Pokemon to use in completive battling, thus its rarity increases, despite being classified as common. Plus, an uber Pokemon like Gible which is rare might might be traded, but it has **** stats, so who'd want to use that since Garchomp is good at battling? It further decreased value.
 
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Thanks for your input guys. Let me clarify what exactly I was intending to do with this.

We all know how on AC, certain villagers are more popular. The more popular, the more they will cost you to obtain them from someone else. This can be seen in Pokemon as well. You don't trade Reshiram for Raticate, after all.

Say you have no shiny but someone you see has an extra shiny and you think this can help you get started with shinies because the rarer the shiny, the more you get from trading it. You can check here to see what they would want for a shiny. Using the tiers, you can get more shinies that are

A) on the tiers close to it

B) on the person's list for what they want.

So, basically, the list will tell how rare a shiny is compared to others, or basically, more sought after. I don't expect people to depend on this for trading, but if you want to trade for a shiny when you don't have one or auction a shiny off for something, this list can be useful. I don't intend for people to rely on it for their trading matters. That's up to the person and the trader.

So basically, it tells people what is popular and sought after for various reasons like color and where it is found and how often it is found. It's not telling you should only trade this for this, it's not for that.

EDIT: Look at this thread: http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...ossing-New-Leaf-Villagers-Based-on-Popularity

That's basically what I'm going to do here. Compile a list on how popular/rare they are so people can understand it better and what they should aim for. I'm not intending for it to be a trading list to show you should trade this for this, it's so you can figure out what to aim for, how much you need to get this certain Pokemon, etc.
 
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So if a shiny Pokemon is more sought after, you'd want to catch it more than other, rare shiny Pokemon? 0.o That's what I'm getting from this. Sorry if thats not what the point of this is.
 
I've been known to trade shiny legendaries for shiny pokemon that aren't legendaries. I traded a shiny lugia for a shiny magcargo back when SoulSilver/HeartGold were the newest pokemon games.

..course.. it was a hacked shiny lugia, but that was the offerer's request! Who am I to deny somebody a hacked shiny lugia for their legit shiny magcargo? lol

edit: mind you, I don't care for most of the shiny legendaries anyway(such as shiny registeel, kyrume, and mewtwo; to name a few[yes, I have a shiny of each of them])
 
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As useful as this might be, I think it might not work just because of how many different methods and factors that affect a shiny pokemon's ability to be caught. With different games with their own shiny hunting methods, I think that in the end this will become too confusing. There's just too many games with their own methods to really make this work effectively. Honestly, I think the only shinies that will really have a set place on the list are legit legendaries and ditto (You can't breed them, so you have to use pokeradar or hopefully find somebody with a friend safari with them.

Though, some of the starters I would say would be pretty rare too. This gen's starters and the Gen 1 starters I wouldn't count as rare simply because breeding is not the only way to get them this time around. You can find their second evo's in the friend zone. But, if you'e looking for the first evo, then I guess that would be rarer? Since your only way is to matsuedo method?

I just think that there are too many factors to consider to make a set list.
 
As useful as this might be, I think it might not work just because of how many different methods and factors that affect a shiny pokemon's ability to be caught. With different games with their own shiny hunting methods, I think that in the end this will become too confusing. There's just too many games with their own methods to really make this work effectively. Honestly, I think the only shinies that will really have a set place on the list are legit legendaries and ditto (You can't breed them, so you have to use pokeradar or hopefully find somebody with a friend safari with them.

Though, some of the starters I would say would be pretty rare too. This gen's starters and the Gen 1 starters I wouldn't count as rare simply because breeding is not the only way to get them this time around. You can find their second evo's in the friend zone. But, if you'e looking for the first evo, then I guess that would be rarer? Since your only way is to matsuedo method?

I just think that there are too many factors to consider to make a set list.

Not true on the first stages of the gen 1 starters. If your only far enough into the game to be where you battle sycamore and then pick a starter; you could soft reset at that point until you get a shiny of your starter(provided they're not shiny locked)
 
I know. I did take notice of the rarity of the first stage starters. Those I would consider rare. XD
 
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