Pro Gay Marriage?

[nintendofan85]

B. Adopting is much better then bringing someone else into this world, your giving a child a home and not bringing someone new into the world

While I have nothing against people adopting children (I might adopt one even if I remain single), what's wrong with bringing new children into the world? My mom told me there's no experience like it.

 

[tearypastel]

While I have nothing against people adopting children (I might adopt one even if I remain single), what's wrong with bringing new children into the world? My mom told me there's no experience like it.

sorta the fact that overpopulation is a thing and there are so many orphan/foster kids that need homes and as nice as having a child might be, there are many factors that play into having kids. i'm not gonna go into them because this isn't an 'adopting kids' discussion thread though. i agree, i would love to have a kid, but if i wind up not being able to, i will defiantly adopt. even if i am able to, i will adopt as well.

 

[EpicGamer12]

A. You don't decide to be homosexual.
B. Adopting is much better then bringing someone else into this world, your giving a child a home and not bringing someone new into the world
C. The child should be accepting of two homosexual people it's not torture to live with someone who likes their gender.

I can't wrap my head around why it's so bad to like someone. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard when people say they don't support it.

All three of your points here are actually quite flawed.

A. - There is still much nature vs nurture debate going on as there is no "gay" gene found yet.
B. - Many families want to have children of their own DNA, which isn't possible from same sex couples.
C. - A child can't just "be accepting". You teach a child to be accepting.

To continue C, there are ongoing studies of same-sex couple children vs hetero couple children right now as there is obviously a difference in how they are raised. I think both of the couples can raise their child well, but I'm pretty sure there is a benefit to raising a child with both a mother and a father. Genetically, humans and most other sexually reproductive animals have a mother and a father to guide them at least some of the way, depending on what animal that is. Thinking logically, there must be a lot of instinct in humans that lies on having a father and a mother both.

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sorta the fact that overpopulation is a thing and there are so many orphan/foster kids that need homes and as nice as having a child might be, there are many factors that play into having kids. i'm not gonna go into them because this isn't an 'adopting kids' discussion thread though. i agree, i would love to have a kid, but if i wind up not being able to, i will defiantly adopt. even if i am able to, i will adopt as well.

I'm sorry that your adoption will be defiant, but the myth that the world is overpopulated is very untrue. Also, the world is about to hit a point where the big population increase of the last few hundred years is about to slow down a lot. http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...y_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

There are some places in China and Japan that are overpopulated but that does not mean the world itself is overpopulated.

 

[nintendofan85]

C. - A child can't just "be accepting". You teach a child to be accepting.

Exactly. I don't see how children can automatically accept something from birth. While I do think children should realize, for example, that people are gay, it can take a while to exactly understand it. I'm 15 and when I was about 8 I didn't quite understand it. Even when I was 11 I kept wondering what made a person be gay or straight, and why some people are gay, straight, or bisexual. For some people, it takes a much longer time. My grandma didn't even know people were gay or lesbian until she got into college, and it's taken her many, many years to understand it.

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sorta the fact that overpopulation is a thing and there are so many orphan/foster kids that need homes and as nice as having a child might be, there are many factors that play into having kids. i'm not gonna go into them because this isn't an 'adopting kids' discussion thread though. i agree, i would love to have a kid, but if i wind up not being able to, i will defiantly adopt. even if i am able to, i will adopt as well.

Overpopulation? I think people have gone overboard about this. For example, China, in order not to have their population age, had to change their one-child policy from a two-child policy. Birth rates are very low in many countries, including the United States, China, Japan, Germany, and so on. I think a sign that people are too concerned about overpopulation is how there were so few people that are part of Generation X born as compared to baby boomers.

 

[tearypastel]

Exactly. I don't see how children can automatically accept something from birth. While I do think children should realize, for example, that people are gay, it can take a while to exactly understand it. I'm 15 and when I was about 8 I didn't quite understand it. Even when I was 11 I kept wondering what made a person be gay or straight, and why some people are gay, straight, or bisexual. For some people, it takes a much longer time. My grandma didn't even know people were gay or lesbian until she got into college.

when you were born, you were told 'this is mummy, this is daddy.' from that first moment, you were told that. just like you were told your name. you've been raised like that. you've accepted it from they day you were born. if you were told 'this is mama, this is mummy.' it's no different.

 

[nintendofan85]

when you were born, you were told 'this is mummy, this is daddy.' from that first moment, you were told that. just like you were told your name. you've been raised like that. you've accepted it from they day you were born. if you were told 'this is mama, this is mummy.' it's no different.

But this the problem I see:
In school, I was given sex education and my school district requires it for 5th and 7th grade. Well, the problem I see is that, if they've been taught that the parents are of the same gender, how will they react when they realize how the baby is created cannot be done between people of the same gender?

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All three of your points here are actually quite flawed.

A. - There is still much nature vs nurture debate going on as there is no "gay" gene found yet.
B. - Many families want to have children of their own DNA, which isn't possible from same sex couples.
C. - A child can't just "be accepting". You teach a child to be accepting.

To continue C, there are ongoing studies of same-sex couple children vs hetero couple children right now as there is obviously a difference in how they are raised. I think both of the couples can raise their child well, but I'm pretty sure there is a benefit to raising a child with both a mother and a father. Genetically, humans and most other sexually reproductive animals have a mother and a father to guide them at least some of the way, depending on what animal that is. Thinking logically, there must be a lot of instinct in humans that lies on having a father and a mother both.

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I'm sorry that your adoption will be defiant, but the myth that the world is overpopulated is very untrue. Also, the world is about to hit a point where the big population increase of the last few hundred years is about to slow down a lot. http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...y_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

There are some places in China and Japan that are overpopulated but that does not mean the world itself is overpopulated.

I wouldn't say Japan will remain overpopulated when you consider its population is dropping.

 

[RainCrossing]

But this the problem I see:
In school, I was given sex education and my school district requires it for 5th and 7th grade. Well, the problem I see is that, if they've been taught that the parents are of the same gender, how will they react when they realize how the baby is created cannot be done between people of the same gender?

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I wouldn't say Japan will remain overpopulated when you consider its population is dropping.

I haven't reached 7th grade yet but sex education was a thing in 6th grade. You really have to have a man and a woman to produce a baby. But women are more important in reproduction. They need men but babies can happen without doing the nasty. If they don't reproduce and they take birth control, there is hardly any chances of getting pregnant c:.

 

[tearypastel]

But this the problem I see:
In school, I was given sex education and my school district requires it for 5th and 7th grade. Well, the problem I see is that, if they've been taught that the parents are of the same gender, how will they react when they realize how the baby is created cannot be done between people of the same gender?

normally? your reply doesn't even make sense to what i was talking about.
anyway, they will go 'oh well i'm sure there are other ways to have kids' or they will google it? how else are they supposed to react? make a petition to pass around the class saying 'WE SHOULD NOT LET SAME SEX COUPLES LIVE' is2g

 

[nintendofan85]

normally? your reply doesn't even make sense to what i was talking about.
anyway, they will go 'oh well i'm sure there are other ways to have kids' or they will google it? how else are they supposed to react? make a petition to pass around the class saying 'WE SHOULD NOT LET SAME SEX COUPLES LIVE' is2g

But, my point is that while I do believe a same-sex couple is capable of raising a child, I wonder if the actual way a child is created would be a huge shock to them. That doesn't mean they'd be anti-gay, but I just wonder if that would mean that, before they learned that in school, they really did think that a same-sex couple could cause a child to be born.

 

[tearypastel]

But, my point is that while I do believe a same-sex couple is capable of raising a child, I wonder if the actual way a child is created would be a huge shock to them. That doesn't mean they'd be anti-gay, but I just wonder if that would mean that, before they learned that in school, they really did think that a same-sex couple could cause a child to be born.

if it is a shock i'm sure they will get over it. when i was a kid, i though babies were born from love, not sex. sure, i found it funny when i found out, but i got over it. same when they find out that same sex couples (cis ones) can't reproduce.

 

[Dinosaurz]

Same sex couple can have kids
Through adoption or sperm donation get it right people

 

[RainCrossing]

I mean, it must be pretty strange to use other stranger's sperm to create a baby. Half of the baby does not even belong to a family tree you know of,

 

[Mimi Cheems]

I mean, it must be pretty strange to use other stranger's sperm to create a baby. Half of the baby does not even belong to a family tree you know of,

No, okay. Here...
Two gay partners. A stranger's sperm isn't always the main option. If you have male siblings willing to donate their sperm, then it basically explains itself. You take your male siblings sperm and donate it to your partner.

 

[Dinosaurz]

No, okay. Here...
Two gay partners. A stranger's sperm isn't always the main option. If you have male siblings willing to donate their sperm, then it basically explains itself. You take your male siblings sperm and donate it to your partner.

Exactly what I was going to say but everytime I said it, it sounded wrong.

 

[Hermione Granger]

Is this still the gay marriage opinion thread or sex ed thread? Don't get me wrong, learning about sex is educational and all but this isnt the place for it. I suggest you ask your parents or research it. ^^;

Back on topic: I view gay marriage not just as a "legal bond" for the gays but also as a step forward for the gay community (I hope this is worded right) Sadly, however, gays still face oppression and there are people out there trying to contest their rights.

 

[seliph]

Oh no people took RainCrossing seriously

Anyways,
People saying it's not much of a big deal now: You realize that same sex marriage is still illegal in most of the world, right? Hell you can still be criminalized or killed for just not being straight in some countries. Just because it was recently legalized all over the US doesn't mean homophobia is over. Christ.

Also just as a side note can we please stop calling it "gay marriage" when not everyone in a same-sex relationship is gay

 

[Damniel]

Yes, of course it should be allowed.

Waiting for the homophobes to ruin this thread.

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I don't even know anyone who has done gay marriage on a pro level.

I have not mastered my homosexuality skill yet, I'm still at level 2.

 

[nintendofan85]

Oh no people took RainCrossing seriously

Anyways,
People saying it's not much of a big deal now: You realize that same sex marriage is still illegal in most of the world, right? Hell you can still be criminalized or killed for just not being straight in some countries. Just because it was recently legalized all over the US doesn't mean homophobia is over. Christ.

Also just as a side note can we please stop calling it "gay marriage" when not everyone in a same-sex relationship is gay

Well, that is true. A lot of countries I wouldn't be surprised if they don't legalize same-sex marriage anytime soon. But who knows?

 

[EpicGamer12]

I don't even know why I try to have discussion on this forum. Everyone ignores factual posts and picks on an 11 year old that doesn't know anything. Quite hypocritical of you all to make fun of her when even you say that educating the children from a young age is what will show children to accept it.

 

[nintendofan85]

I don't even know why I try to have discussion on this forum. Everyone ignores factual posts and picks on an 11 year old that doesn't know anything. Quite hypocritical of you all to make fun of her when even you say that educating the children from a young age is what will show children to accept it.

Exactly. If children need to support same-sex relationships so dearly, then they should be taught to support it rather than have name calling.