I think it was a very small chance that she was but I still hoped to god she was just VT if you actually read back. And you should do that before you push that I never evaluated that risk, because I openly did in a casual one-liner.
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I'm limited on time so I'm probably going to dissect one post of Dolby's but more importantly I just need to figure out what in his stances could be distancing and what were authentic pushes. Antonio is the first I recall
Antonio slot (Now Heyden)
Antonio?s slot is at the top here because I really don?t see the potential for a scumteam between the two here because of how Dolby seemed to throw suspicion on Antionio for what he argued was an overfocus on me that he later dialed back on due to the replacement and the sudden reminder of a previous game of Antonio?s. Heyden as the replacement needs to unravel further. There?s a shared vote on Dragonboy but that?s NAI given Heyden didn?t know his role.
Bianca
Bianca responds and also brings up human balancing regarding both Dolby and myself:
Dolby is responding to the second paragraph of Bianca's post spoilered above here:
It's cautionless but I don't think a partnered Bianca would say this about Dolby if he was fellow scum.
If I?m being honest with myself a lot of what makes me not read this as a partnership potential comes more from Bianca?s side than Dolby?s. Her progression is classic townBianca, I looked back on how she was legitimately not answered in the Oregon game and still didn?t know the difference to this day out of frustration. This expectation of her was dropped when I brought up the post I found looking into it and you more or less consistently townread her from there. On her side of things? She?s postulating that there?s human balancing in a game full of newbs and I don?t see her doing that to you as a partner. Plus she?s like...just behind Hyrule in terms of townreads for me.
Rhino
Rhino says 'uh probs mine' and that's what Dolby is following up on here:
Rhino just said 'I honestly don't know' in response to this and left it at that.
This is a tricky one for me. Rhino has had a few short casual moments with you that seem authentically random and organic but at the same time this feels like...out of all five people on this analysis, the one you don?t talk about much at all. You gave him those arbitrary townpoints which still stands out as jarring from you, tonewise. The most occurrences of you bringing him up seem to be his anti-alignment with JT who is a person you were considering pushing at a certain time in d2 but I?ll analyze that dynamic next because your abandonment of it confuses me a little, especially in measure against Zelda if you want to argue that the only difference she had from the four newbs was shadily constructed by me.
JT slot (now Punchy)
And yet you question why I didn't go for JT (or dragon) after feeling unsure about Zelda being scum.
Alright so this slot. You started off disliking the ##mafia post which you straight up don?t like and yet you don?t want to get into the NAI factor of it at the end of the day because you ?don?t want to get into it because you don?t know what you were thinking then?. Typically when I ask you to look back on something you are able to articulate what you were thinking at that moment. But hey, at the end of the day you stayed away from the JT wagon for the same reason I did, as you said, because someone with so few posts...if you want to spin a scumread or even a lynch out of that small amount of content, you really have to spin straw out of gold. From -your- point of view I think you should have understood that I waited on JT because I wanted to just straight vouch for a replacement here. On another note though, you ?straight up didn?t like? the ##mafia thing which at the end of the day is an echo of Rhino casually disliking it and began to argue that his sheep of Rhino?s vote was potentially cover but seemed to drop that for your participation in the mislynch of Zelda even though you acknowledged it was pressure for the sake of pressure and had a lot of back and forth feelings about her. I?m not saying I have no responsibility for her lynch, but in no way do you not also share that responsibility, period.
Dragonboy
Okay so this was apparently just a test vote to get a reaction out of Zelda and apparently the reaction was convincing enough for you to move off that vote and go back onto the Zelda wagon because ?you don?t think dragon votes zelda here as m/m without explanation? which is ...kinda cautionless. It feels like you?re saying a brand new player is entirely incapable of bussing when I think I would consider the small chance that a new player who completely doesn?t care about the game would just do it based on the idea that if they lurk enough then maybe they can coast their way to the finish line and if not, who cares? It?s a game in the basement they want to casually play with a friend who doesn?t have much enthusiasm to begin with. Idk, Dragon here feels more like a device against Zelda to justify a return to a vote on a mislynch than an actual read on a player who had little to read into because he straight up didn?t even provide his reads to justify his vote and was just sheeping. Now that you?ve more recently explained your progression here I might switch him in terms of placement with one of the two above but I don?t discount a Dolby/Dragonboy world entiiirely.
This could have been longer but I?m drunk and tired af and it?s the equivalent of 3 in the morning for me. I might just blitz criticize the post I said I would criticize and see about returning before end of night to see if I can expand on it after resting.
Oh and Hyrule is not scum and thus is not getting his own quotedump like the rest. This took too much time on snipping quotes alone and no, they're not literally everything between Dolby and whoever it is I'm looking at because that would take even longer, mostly just the quotes that truly ping me as having potential for saying something about alignment.
Conclusion at the moment:
Are Heyden and Dolby teamed? No
Are Bianca and Dolby teamed? No.
Are Rhino and Dolby teamed? Maybe. Hesitant to say yes, and don't have anti-aligning interaction as significant as the two slots above to say no either.
Are Punchy and Dolby teamed? Maybe.
Are Dragonboy and Dolby teamed? Maybe.
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Eh I won't really rip this apart being as tired as I am since my retort is heavily explained in 251 and in my recent posts with some slight mentions in the alignment analysis post but the bit I pointed out about how the other three actually posted elsewhere in the forum was a legitimate difference that she was deviating from. It's not because I made it so, it's because it was so. I could have not been in this game, some other player could be playing instead of me, and they might have pointed it out if they were the type to look into the activity and visitation times like I did.
You should stop bolding things when you try to push like you did with your opportunistic bolding of a Bianca moment earlier in this game. Gives a bad tone, man.
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Resting now.
o/
Antonio slot (Now Heyden)
Antonio?s slot is at the top here because I really don?t see the potential for a scumteam between the two here because of how Dolby seemed to throw suspicion on Antionio for what he argued was an overfocus on me that he later dialed back on due to the replacement and the sudden reminder of a previous game of Antonio?s. Heyden as the replacement needs to unravel further. There?s a shared vote on Dragonboy but that?s NAI given Heyden didn?t know his role.
Bianca
Bianca responds and also brings up human balancing regarding both Dolby and myself:
Dolby is responding to the second paragraph of Bianca's post spoilered above here:
It's cautionless but I don't think a partnered Bianca would say this about Dolby if he was fellow scum.
If I?m being honest with myself a lot of what makes me not read this as a partnership potential comes more from Bianca?s side than Dolby?s. Her progression is classic townBianca, I looked back on how she was legitimately not answered in the Oregon game and still didn?t know the difference to this day out of frustration. This expectation of her was dropped when I brought up the post I found looking into it and you more or less consistently townread her from there. On her side of things? She?s postulating that there?s human balancing in a game full of newbs and I don?t see her doing that to you as a partner. Plus she?s like...just behind Hyrule in terms of townreads for me.
Rhino
Rhino says 'uh probs mine' and that's what Dolby is following up on here:
Rhino just said 'I honestly don't know' in response to this and left it at that.
This is a tricky one for me. Rhino has had a few short casual moments with you that seem authentically random and organic but at the same time this feels like...out of all five people on this analysis, the one you don?t talk about much at all. You gave him those arbitrary townpoints which still stands out as jarring from you, tonewise. The most occurrences of you bringing him up seem to be his anti-alignment with JT who is a person you were considering pushing at a certain time in d2 but I?ll analyze that dynamic next because your abandonment of it confuses me a little, especially in measure against Zelda if you want to argue that the only difference she had from the four newbs was shadily constructed by me.
JT slot (now Punchy)
And yet you question why I didn't go for JT (or dragon) after feeling unsure about Zelda being scum.
Alright so this slot. You started off disliking the ##mafia post which you straight up don?t like and yet you don?t want to get into the NAI factor of it at the end of the day because you ?don?t want to get into it because you don?t know what you were thinking then?. Typically when I ask you to look back on something you are able to articulate what you were thinking at that moment. But hey, at the end of the day you stayed away from the JT wagon for the same reason I did, as you said, because someone with so few posts...if you want to spin a scumread or even a lynch out of that small amount of content, you really have to spin straw out of gold. From -your- point of view I think you should have understood that I waited on JT because I wanted to just straight vouch for a replacement here. On another note though, you ?straight up didn?t like? the ##mafia thing which at the end of the day is an echo of Rhino casually disliking it and began to argue that his sheep of Rhino?s vote was potentially cover but seemed to drop that for your participation in the mislynch of Zelda even though you acknowledged it was pressure for the sake of pressure and had a lot of back and forth feelings about her. I?m not saying I have no responsibility for her lynch, but in no way do you not also share that responsibility, period.
Dragonboy
Okay so this was apparently just a test vote to get a reaction out of Zelda and apparently the reaction was convincing enough for you to move off that vote and go back onto the Zelda wagon because ?you don?t think dragon votes zelda here as m/m without explanation? which is ...kinda cautionless. It feels like you?re saying a brand new player is entirely incapable of bussing when I think I would consider the small chance that a new player who completely doesn?t care about the game would just do it based on the idea that if they lurk enough then maybe they can coast their way to the finish line and if not, who cares? It?s a game in the basement they want to casually play with a friend who doesn?t have much enthusiasm to begin with. Idk, Dragon here feels more like a device against Zelda to justify a return to a vote on a mislynch than an actual read on a player who had little to read into because he straight up didn?t even provide his reads to justify his vote and was just sheeping. Now that you?ve more recently explained your progression here I might switch him in terms of placement with one of the two above but I don?t discount a Dolby/Dragonboy world entiiirely.
This could have been longer but I?m drunk and tired af and it?s the equivalent of 3 in the morning for me. I might just blitz criticize the post I said I would criticize and see about returning before end of night to see if I can expand on it after resting.
Oh and Hyrule is not scum and thus is not getting his own quotedump like the rest. This took too much time on snipping quotes alone and no, they're not literally everything between Dolby and whoever it is I'm looking at because that would take even longer, mostly just the quotes that truly ping me as having potential for saying something about alignment.
Conclusion at the moment:
Are Heyden and Dolby teamed? No
Are Bianca and Dolby teamed? No.
Are Rhino and Dolby teamed? Maybe. Hesitant to say yes, and don't have anti-aligning interaction as significant as the two slots above to say no either.
Are Punchy and Dolby teamed? Maybe.
Are Dragonboy and Dolby teamed? Maybe.
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Eh I won't really rip this apart being as tired as I am since my retort is heavily explained in 251 and in my recent posts with some slight mentions in the alignment analysis post but the bit I pointed out about how the other three actually posted elsewhere in the forum was a legitimate difference that she was deviating from. It's not because I made it so, it's because it was so. I could have not been in this game, some other player could be playing instead of me, and they might have pointed it out if they were the type to look into the activity and visitation times like I did.
You should stop bolding things when you try to push like you did with your opportunistic bolding of a Bianca moment earlier in this game. Gives a bad tone, man.
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Resting now.
o/
Hyrule_Crossing
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I could see why you didn’t add me as it took too long. I probably would have too to be honest
PunchyTheCat
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Toads I need my role pm
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okay so earlier in the game I had a slight scumread on Dolby based on what I thought was manipulative (and also scummy) tone, I'll check back to see if the tone continued.
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okay so earlier in the game I had a slight scumread on Dolby based on what I thought was manipulative (and also scummy) tone, I'll check back to see if the tone continued.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
Punchy is in for burger
PunchyTheCat
Senior Member
@Dad explain
Oh and Hyrule is not scum and thus is not getting his own quotedump like the rest.
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(in other words I'm ISO'ing Dolby right now)
I want to rule out Dolby/Dad as a team because that is literally the nightmare scumteam
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also @Dolby why is Watcher better than doctor?
Oh and Hyrule is not scum and thus is not getting his own quotedump like the rest.
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(in other words I'm ISO'ing Dolby right now)
I want to rule out Dolby/Dad as a team because that is literally the nightmare scumteam
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also @Dolby why is Watcher better than doctor?
Doc has to save twice to get us an additional ML. Saving once leaves the gamestate exactly where it would be otherwise
Watcher can at least catch scum while making them think about their kills
toadsworthy
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Night post incoming shortly
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Pokemon is a game of knowledge and communication with your pokemon. 9 trainers stepped forward in an all out battle royale each sending out their primed prized pokemon.
1 trainer, ZeldaJune was disqualified early due to pokemon doping.
All of the other trainers entered the arena. The alarm signaled and the moves began to fly.
Imtherhino sent out his Beheeyem. He looked around, and knew he would be fodder for the others. Physical attacks seemed magnetized to him, but his analytic ability couldn't help him enough.
Beheeyem fainted. Rhino was already out.
He had been dubbed the cop, but didn't matter because he didn't send an action in lol
unpopular opinion, but I really like Beheeyem and wish he was better
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Night 1
Pokemon is a game of knowledge and communication with your pokemon. 9 trainers stepped forward in an all out battle royale each sending out their primed prized pokemon.
1 trainer, ZeldaJune was disqualified early due to pokemon doping.
All of the other trainers entered the arena. The alarm signaled and the moves began to fly.
Imtherhino sent out his Beheeyem. He looked around, and knew he would be fodder for the others. Physical attacks seemed magnetized to him, but his analytic ability couldn't help him enough.
Beheeyem fainted. Rhino was already out.
He had been dubbed the cop, but didn't matter because he didn't send an action in lol
unpopular opinion, but I really like Beheeyem and wish he was better
In b4 "Dolby bluesniped"
Petition to force Rhino and gang to ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME next time, as well as Antonio as he's flaked at least the last two times. They've collectively made the game a nightmare
I want to say that Heyden doesn't condone this kill as scum because Rhino is clearly inactive and a swing vote in scum's favor as an inexperienced player, I don't remember him giving good blue reads as scum besides in cases where somebody strong tells. Bianca goes for Hyrule here in my mind to keep a t/t me and Dad fighting. Tbh, I can see Hyrule making this, but they aren't in control of the kill and they're a townread anyway. I def see dragon killing his friend, but I don't think ANYBODY let's him default on making this kill
I'm gonna say that Dad is behind this, he's been attempting to bluesnipe in recent games and I seriously can't see anybody else conducting this kill besides him as a wifom and a bluesnipe because Rhino's been radio silent in comparison to last game after the role rand
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Petition to force Rhino and gang to ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME next time, as well as Antonio as he's flaked at least the last two times. They've collectively made the game a nightmare
I want to say that Heyden doesn't condone this kill as scum because Rhino is clearly inactive and a swing vote in scum's favor as an inexperienced player, I don't remember him giving good blue reads as scum besides in cases where somebody strong tells. Bianca goes for Hyrule here in my mind to keep a t/t me and Dad fighting. Tbh, I can see Hyrule making this, but they aren't in control of the kill and they're a townread anyway. I def see dragon killing his friend, but I don't think ANYBODY let's him default on making this kill
I'm gonna say that Dad is behind this, he's been attempting to bluesnipe in recent games and I seriously can't see anybody else conducting this kill besides him as a wifom and a bluesnipe because Rhino's been radio silent in comparison to last game after the role rand
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Hyrule_Crossing
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I don’t get why they got rhino either to be honest
Actually idk I retract that, could be either. Originally I would've thought ninja is more logical to evade being watched, but godfather is probably better in this case.
As for Dad I think he's town, and there's not a very big list for scum to hide in atm, so I'll look at Bianca later cos somethings a bit off imo.
Biancasbotique
Sweet Feather
At first, I am ok with lynching inactives. However, after, what happened with imtherhino, I am now convinced that everything is truly random so I will not be advocating lynching any inactives yet (because the watcher role could be with them) and we will be losing our last PR. I'm not comfortable with Heyden being confident that there is a ninja, and actually reason that in his mind, godfather might be better in this case. Slight scumslip? I don't know.
Good morning. Time to stop screwing around and actually not lose this game.
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Townslip.
Bianca is preeeetty townie imo. And Hyrule is almost a townlock for me.
PoE is Dolby, JT/Punchy, and Dragonboy
Lynch Dolby and one of the other two will be watched, whichever is more suspicious.
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"HURR IN B4 DAD SAYS I BLUESNIPED, OH, AND BTW DAD JUST BLUESNIPED"
Just burn him. Burn him with fire.
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Btw why weren't you even thinking about either JT or Dragon there Dolby?
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If I have to guess the team right here and now it's Dolby/Dragonboy. That vote on Dragon was admitted as just being used as some weird reaction test to a person who he voteswitched back to because apparently she failed said reaction test (lol), meaning he didn't really want to lynch Dragon with his vote.
JT being accused of using Rhino as cover just feels like a push Dolby wouldn't make on his teammate but I could be wrong given that slot was doing nothing for him and if that gained traction as a lynch option over Zelda he might have had to bus it and solo.
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Hydreigon, Beheeyem, Kabutops? Toads has good taste in the cool pokemon.
Yes I'm Kabutops btw (our pokemon are NAI in terms of pr so who cares).
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Anyways explain why me killing Rhino would be wifom Dolby. Entertain me.
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Hyrule townslipped with the voting timing - I would have thought a scum would be keeping track of when voting ends. Not only that but there's role unawareness, at least some trying compared to the other brand new people, and his tone has been pure overall.
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Not only that but if Dolby and Hyrule were paired Dolby would have explained that stuff in the quicktopic and he wouldn't have been making that mistake in not voting or not knowing what certain roles do.
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Anyways I have to drive to a hospital out of state for the next 8 hours so Dolby has a chance to recover. Should be fun to come back to.
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Oh actually the vote on Dragonboy was a reaction test on Heyden, right. Which is weird because idk why he felt like reaction testing a slot he wasn't suspecting as hard after Antonio placed out.
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Anyways Punchy is coming in not liking Dolby and so my bet is squarely on Dolby/Dragonboy.
I kinda feel scum Bianca wouldn't have killed off any of the inactives because she'd use them as a pushing point for her lynches, so I'll knock the possibility of her being scum with any of the newbs/lesser inactives. Only scenario I'd see her being scum is with Dolby or Dad, for which they'd be the ones deciding the kills, so that's something I'll keep in mind.
I'm down for a Dolby lynch. In the scenario where Dolby and Dad are both town, I'd feel a scum team comprising of two of Bianca/Punchy/Hyrule//Dragon wouldn't go for Rhino, but rather Dad/Dolby because long posts = good = threat to them, unless they just went for a completely random kill. I don't see any other reason to why he'd be a target.
I townread Dad, Punchy and I'll sheep on Hyrule being town atm, but I think scums in Bianca/Dolby, or Dragon.
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lmfao
PunchyTheCat
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Is it susp that it was Dolby digging for answers from rhino and then stopped suddenly after he gave neutral answers?
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I’m not sure on Heyden, I’ll bring my lowkey case against her later today or tomorrow
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I’m not sure on Heyden, I’ll bring my lowkey case against her later today or tomorrow
At a rest stop on my drive letting my engine cool.
Surprised Dolby hasn't really been picking at any of my longer posts as of late given days are only 24 hours now.
Also Heyden why Bianca over Dolby and Dragon as your vote? If you read my alignments of Dolby's you'll notice that partnership is hard for them to be faking in their posts where they've aired suspicion over so from your point of view I'd be considering looking at how Bianca and Dragon potentially align. I can do that for you for the sake of confidence but I am sure Dolby is scum here and that Bianca isn't.
Surprised Dolby hasn't really been picking at any of my longer posts as of late given days are only 24 hours now.
Also Heyden why Bianca over Dolby and Dragon as your vote? If you read my alignments of Dolby's you'll notice that partnership is hard for them to be faking in their posts where they've aired suspicion over so from your point of view I'd be considering looking at how Bianca and Dragon potentially align. I can do that for you for the sake of confidence but I am sure Dolby is scum here and that Bianca isn't.
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