Petition for the Market Price Summary of Collectibles to be Stickied

[Dinosaurz]

I appreciate what you have to say but stay on topic please

That is topic doe?

 

[Cadbberry]

First of all, I have no dislike or hate for the guide as some seem to believe. I think Skyfall knows well that I appreciate it and find it quite interesting to read, as I actually do quite frequently. But I believe it's important that people do not feel pressured into following whatever price a guide says is the price. Now it would seem that most of the community has accepted that already and is quite happy with it, but I don't plan to encourage it more. It's also important that others can create their own price guides if they disagree with the existing one. By endorsing one with a sticky, we're essentially offering a monopoly to that guide.

As for the comparisons to the villager thread, it really just comes down to a different time on the forum back then. I accept that it's not a good reason, but it's the reality. Many of you who have been around for a long time know, the Shop and collectibles have always been my "department" of sorts. Villagers and the Animal Crossing trading boards? Not so much. Back in the time when that thread stickied, nearly 2 years ago now, the former moderator Kaiaa generally was in charge of that board. For whatever reason Kaiaa had, she chose to sticky it right away and nobody was the wiser. (Tina has noted that for a long time, it was simply a tier list with zero prices) Of course things have changed since then, and we tend to discuss these matters with the team or at least ask a couple people first before doing so now to help reduce these inconsistencies.

I don't necessarily disagree that the villager guide is much different, but that's the reason why it is that way. Obviously, it's not very nice to pull the rug from under someone who works very hard on their thread and unsticky their thread when it has been that way for so long, so that's the predicament we've been left in and why it has remained stickied. If say the collectible guide had been stickied for a year, and then Jeremy came along and suddenly decided that it was wrong and needed to be demoted, I can't imagine many would take that very kindly and they wouldn't be entirely wrong to be upset. Of course, looking at it now, it seems that it's been mostly abandoned for quite some time so maybe we will revisit that soon.

This isn't a 100% dead set "no, it will never ever ever ever happen", but I'm gonna need some damn good convincing still. I'm open to any constructive and respectful debate in regards to the first paragraph and my reasons for being against it.

I hear what you are saying but since so many people use it I thought it would be helpful to have up there since it is the average price guide, it is just the standard, Lassy had it and passed it down to Skyfall, it was stickied at one point I just think it should have stayed. I will stand for what I think should happen, if you would like to close this thread that is all up to you but I hope you hear what we all have to say

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That is topic doe?

The topic is petitioning not arguing

 

[Kristen]

I'd like to sign.

First of all, I have no dislike or hate for the guide as some seem to believe. I think Skyfall knows well that I appreciate it and find it quite interesting to read, as I actually do quite frequently. But I believe it's important that people do not feel pressured into following whatever price a guide says is the price. Now it would seem that most of the community has accepted that already and is quite happy with it, but I don't plan to encourage it more. It's also important that others can create their own price guides if they disagree with the existing one. By endorsing one with a sticky, we're essentially offering a monopoly to that guide.

As for the comparisons to the villager thread, it really just comes down to a different time on the forum back then. I accept that it's not a good reason, but it's the reality. Many of you who have been around for a long time know, the Shop and collectibles have always been my "department" of sorts. Villagers and the Animal Crossing trading boards? Not so much. Back in the time when that thread stickied, nearly 2 years ago now, the former moderator Kaiaa generally was in charge of that board. For whatever reason Kaiaa had, she chose to sticky it right away and nobody was the wiser. (Tina has noted that for a long time, it was simply a tier list with zero prices) Of course things have changed since then, and we tend to discuss these matters with the team or at least ask a couple people first before doing so now to help reduce these inconsistencies.

I don't necessarily disagree that the villager guide is much different, but that's the reason why it is that way. Obviously, it's not very nice to pull the rug from under someone who works very hard on their thread and unsticky their thread when it has been that way for so long, so that's the predicament we've been left in and why it has remained stickied. If say the collectible guide had been stickied for a year, and then Jeremy came along and suddenly decided that it was wrong and needed to be demoted, I can't imagine many would take that very kindly and they wouldn't be entirely wrong to be upset. Of course, looking at it now, it seems that it's been mostly abandoned for quite some time so maybe we will revisit that soon.

This isn't a 100% dead set "no, it will never ever ever ever happen", but I'm gonna need some damn good convincing still. I'm open to any constructive and respectful debate in regards to the first paragraph and my reasons for being against it.

I fully agree that people should not feel pressured into following the guide, and maybe Skyfall could change where this is put since it's currently in a spoiler, but it is mentioned that the guide should not be followed blindly. I believe having the thread stickied would be incredibly helpful for those who would typically go searching through recent sales on their own, or for those who are new to selling/buying collectibles. I am one of those people who would search pages of sales to find what I should price my offer at, so this guide has saved me a lot of time. It is also a good indicator of which collectibles are popular through their price and what to expect if looking for one. A possible change could be in the title, saying that it is an unofficial guide so it's more obvious that the prices listed there are not ones everyone must go by.

 

[Dinosaurz]

I hear what you are saying but since so many people use it I thought it would be helpful to have up there since it is the average price guide, it is just the standard, Lassy had it and passed it down to Skyfall, it was stickied at one point I just think it should have stayed. I will stand for what I think should happen, if you would like to close this thread that is all up to you but I hope you hear what we all have to say

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The topic is petitioning not arguing

He wanted to hear points, that's what I said lmao

 

[Cadbberry]

I'd like to sign.



I fully agree that people should not feel pressured into following the guide, and maybe Skyfall could change where this is put since it's currently in a spoiler, but it is mentioned that the guide should not be followed blindly. I believe having the thread stickied would be incredibly helpful for those who would typically go searching through recent sales on their own, or for those who are new to selling/buying collectibles. It is also a good indicator of which collectibles are popular through their price and what to expect if looking for one. A possible change could be in the title, saying that it is an unofficial guide so it's more obvious that the prices listed there are not ones everyone must go by.

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[Shimmer]

I understand and agree that pressuring people to follow the guide is wrong however, from what I've mostly seen around here on the TBT Marketplace board, not many people purchase any collectibles outside of the guide prices. SOME do, but it's very rare. Most of the time, people will post on the person's thread what the collectible typically goes for.

 

[Sap88]

Yes, yes yes. YES! Many people follow the guide, AS A GUIDE. There are people who go higher and lower, but the guide is a reference that many people agree on, and like, therefore following those prices. I agree that the villager one is similar, and is stickied. So why not this? It's nearly the same. Also, can I sign 88888888 times? Anyway, I'm signing!

 

[Cadbberry]

Yes, yes yes. YES! Many people follow the guide, AS A GUIDE. There are people who go higher and lower, but the guide is a reference that many people agree on, and like, therefore following those prices. I agree that the villager one is similar, and is stickied. So why not this? It's nearly the same. Also, can I sign 88888888 times? Anyway, I'm signing!

Updating with your sig

 

[Ariel.]

I will sign as well. I'm always looking for this thread, tbh

 

[Skyfall]

First of all, I have no dislike or hate for the guide as some seem to believe. I think Skyfall knows well that I appreciate it and find it quite interesting to read, as I actually do quite frequently. But I believe it's important that people do not feel pressured into following whatever price a guide says is the price. Now it would seem that most of the community has accepted that already and is quite happy with it, but I don't plan to encourage it more. It's also important that others can create their own price guides if they disagree with the existing one. By endorsing one with a sticky, we're essentially offering a monopoly to that guide.

As for the comparisons to the villager thread, it really just comes down to a different time on the forum back then. I accept that it's not a good reason, but it's the reality. Many of you who have been around for a long time know, the Shop and collectibles have always been my "department" of sorts. Villagers and the Animal Crossing trading boards? Not so much. Back in the time when that thread stickied, nearly 2 years ago now, the former moderator Kaiaa generally was in charge of that board. For whatever reason Kaiaa had, she chose to sticky it right away and nobody was the wiser. (Tina has noted that for a long time, it was simply a tier list with zero prices) Of course things have changed since then, and we tend to discuss these matters with the team or at least ask a couple people first before doing so now to help reduce these inconsistencies.

I don't necessarily disagree that the villager guide is much different, but that's the reason why it is that way. Obviously, it's not very nice to pull the rug from under someone who works very hard on their thread and unsticky their thread when it has been that way for so long, so that's the predicament we've been left in and why it has remained stickied. If say the collectible guide had been stickied for a year, and then Jeremy came along and suddenly decided that it was wrong and needed to be demoted, I can't imagine many would take that very kindly and they wouldn't be entirely wrong to be upset. Of course, looking at it now, it seems that it's been mostly abandoned for quite some time so maybe we will revisit that soon.

This isn't a 100% dead set "no, it will never ever ever ever happen", but I'm gonna need some damn good convincing still. I'm open to any constructive and respectful debate in regards to the first paragraph and my reasons for being against it.

Firstly, apologies to Cadbberry for what I'm about to do, which is respond to Justin (which of course, is not the purpose of this "petition" thread, but since we have Justin's attention on this, I would like a chance to chime in).

Thank you for explaining the situation - now we know why there is an apparent discrepancy between the two boards. We posters sometimes forget that the Admins/Mods are not the Borg collective! That is, just because something is happening in one corner, it doesn't mean all Admins/Mods instantly know what is going on and certainly the decision wasn't unanimously made.

I do know what you mean about the Guide becoming too rigid in the mind of some - I have seen both sellers and buyers use the Guide, not as a resource to guide their own negotiations, but as a tool to avoid negotiations at all. It's easy to say, well, its guide prices and I'll stick with that... The guide range changing, either going up or down, ironically, is most often accomplished by people ignoring the ranges and buy/sell what feels right at that moment they are engaging the other user.

I don't know if I have a solution. I think there is a frustration that the guide is hard to find and we must constantly bump it. And there is a genuine desire by many users to protect the casual trader or newbies who may be taken advantage of since they are not familiar with the past history of sales.

I'm not wedded to this idea, but would having a [GUIDE] tag be helpful? This accomplishes two things, first, it makes it easier to find the guide, even if it's just to bump it back to the first page. Second, it opens up the possibility of other guides.

I don't think having multiple guides would be a bad thing. I would try to maintain the current Guide as (best I can) a true reflection of prices of the last few sales. But maybe some people want to dabble in a more predictive guide... people who want to say, well, there are 650 cupcakes, the prices *should* be in this range, etc. It's what happens in the real stock market or real estate market, so why not?

Just throwing ideas out there for everyone to munch on. But this discussion is fun! It's nice that everyone is so thoughtful about it (so far, at least.).

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Oh, just want to clarify what I wrote about multiple guides... I merely was pointing out that in real life, whether stock markets, real estate market, whatever, multiple "guides" always exists: Market analysts. And they all have different takes, different styles, and different followers. And it's not a bad thing to have multiple views out there. Yes, makes it more complicated to make up your own mind rather than having just one source, but it does break up the "monopoly."

(And just another random aside, that would sort of solve the problem of Hound00med's guide too. Even if that remains sticky-ed, another person can take up the mantle and provide more updated prices/popularity rankings, which I think some of the contributors to that thread may be itching to do.)

 

[Midoriya]

Sign me up! I can't tell you how many times I've had to look back a couple pages just to find what the current suggested prices are for collectibles. What a nightmare....


I want some sort of "change" to happen, and it's probably going to take a LOT of signatures, so wynaut

 

[Cadbberry]

Updated

 

[Dinosaurz]

Just saying that a petion will do nothing if the mods ain't cool with it

 

[oath2order]

I like how you guys think your petitions are going to do something

 

[Mimi Cheems]

I'll sign it! <3

 

[Dinosaurz]

I like how you guys think your petitions are going to do something

Ikr but we can dream

 

[Cadbberry]

Updated

 

[himeki]

Spoiler:

Sign me up! <3

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OH MY GOD MIHARU WHO DREW THAT I NEED ONE

also sign its really hard to find.

 

[ReiraEvenstar]

Signing!

 

[Cadbberry]

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