Old Pokemon General(RIP)

[Jake]

Japanese variety show, Pok?mon Smash has just aired and has shown that there will be a new Pok?mon revealed during the episode next week. It's not currently known what the contents of this will be, but the trailer showcases a clip from X & Y with a Pok?mon blanked out, confirmed to be a new Pok?mon. The trailer also showcased Junichi Masuda showcasing something. This was stated to be a world exclusive! We'll provide coverage as and when this comes
Edit: The official site has also posted confirming the localisation of this news will be revealed at the same time worldwide

i wonder what it is, idk if i want new evolution, or new pokemon...

 

[Juicebox]

I want a brand new Pokemon. They already showed a new evolution, I want to see one of the brand new ones.

Maybe character customization will be talked about? *fingers crossed*

 

[Juicebox]

I don't see anything wrong with competitive, it's just not my cup of tea. I just want to EV train because I think it would add some longevity to the game for me other than just leveling my team to level 100. This way, my team can be a little stronger. I use pretty weak Pokemon in general, so it would be nice to give them a little boost.

 

[Prof Gallows]

I really don't like IVs, dream abilities, egg skills and such. I liked pokemon before someone could manipulate their pokemon to make you feel like a crappy pokemon trainer. I mean I couldn't even go only in black and white without being pounded into the groud with my naturally trained pokemon. Why can't we just go back to the days when pokemon was simple? I mean egg skills can stay and so can shiny but the rest I wish would go.

Back in R/B/G/Y and S/G/C you could max out all of your pokemon's stats. Since EVs hadn't been introduced until gen 3, you could max out your pokemon's stats to it's limit. Pretty much giving you overly powerful pokemon that otherwise shouldn't be. lol

There wasn't really any "simple" time to it. Even back then people spent the same amount of time maxing out their pokemon. Only difference is now there are limits. Introducing the EVs, IVs, etc, fixed the issues with overpowered pokemon, so I don't think getting rid of them would be a good idea. You'd have trainers battling over WIFI with a team of Caterpie and completely wiping everyone out of the park.


I'm confused on a lot of your posts. You want to get rid of so many things in the games that have improved them so much over the years. Pokemon is as popular as it is because people can EV train and have a team they worked seriously hard on to be better than someone who just played it casually. I'd be pretty angry if I spent hours upon hours of EV training my pokemon to lose to someone over wifi who had just caught their team. Not everyone has to EV train either, so people who want to play casually can, in the single player aspect.

 

[Prof Gallows]

Not really much to go on since they completely blocked it out. lol

I have a feeling it will be a new pokemon.

 

[Jake]

O I never saw the footage, thanks I'll check it out;
Omg I forgot how amusing Japanese television is.

 

[Prof Gallows]

Managed to catch just the tiniest bit of it. Seems that it'll be pink, or at least part of it.
and yes, I made sure it wasn't his hand or anything else.

Spoiler

 

[Juicebox]

Back in R/B/G/Y and S/G/C you could max out all of your pokemon's stats. Since EVs hadn't been introduced until gen 3, you could max out your pokemon's stats to it's limit. Pretty much giving you overly powerful pokemon that otherwise shouldn't be. lol

There wasn't really any "simple" time to it. Even back then people spent the same amount of time maxing out their pokemon. Only difference is now there are limits. Introducing the EVs, IVs, etc, fixed the issues with overpowered pokemon, so I don't think getting rid of them would be a good idea. You'd have trainers battling over WIFI with a team of Caterpie and completely wiping everyone out of the park.


I'm confused on a lot of your posts. You want to get rid of so many things in the games that have improved them so much over the years. Pokemon is as popular as it is because people can EV train and have a team they worked seriously hard on to be better than someone who just played it casually. I'd be pretty angry if I spent hours upon hours of EV training my pokemon to lose to someone over wifi who had just caught their team. Not everyone has to EV train either, so people who want to play casually can, in the single player aspect.

I agree! I myself am a casual player, but I have no right to tell others how to play. I can see how IV training is rewarding, it just personally isn't my thing. The beauty about Pokemon is that there are a lot of ways to play it. You can make the game as easy, difficult, or just as downright silly as you want it to be.

Besides, can anyone honestly say that they want the current games to play like the gen 1 games? The gen 1 games were great, but the metagame barely worked. The type chart was broken, the stats were calculated weird, and if you think today we're having problems with diverse teams, you should have seen what it was like when there were only 151 Pokemon to choose from. Gens 3, 4, and 5 brought so many things to the table. Gen 3 completely overhauled the stat calculations (which made female and shiny Pokemon playable) and brought natures, gen 4 brought the physical/special split and deepened movepools, and gen 5 tweaked out most of the problems of gen 5. Can anyone honestly say that they want to go back to the gen 1 engine?

 

[Prof Gallows]

I wouldn't want to go back to the old games. Though I do have to mention that shiny pokemon and genders were introduced in gen 2.
Honestly, I think the games keep getting better. I might like some older ones more, but the content just keeps getting added.

The games have simplicity. You don't HAVE to EV train or go all in with playing competitively. But if you want to, the option is open to you. Random matchups on WIFI are going to consist of the people who EV train. That is their way of being able to play the game they want that is still challenging to them.

 

[Grawr]

Just a few things;

1) EVs and IVs can go home. That ruins the fun of it, for me.

2) Playing with starters or legendaries is hella lame

3) I'm hoping that, in X and Y, they'll have more of a spillover between different-region pokemon. In other words, when I need an electric type during the main story playthrough, I don't want to have to be forced to get an electrike or a pikachu. I want variety, throw in a bunch of pokemon from a bunch of different regions into the same area, so I have a selection to choose from. Also, that would add to the fun of making my team different from my friend's team, etc

 

[Sora]

Ok well I guess I hate pokemon then professor. Sorry I don't like to think and just have fun with something. -_- Don't want to flame but its a bit rude for calling out most my posts as confusing.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Just a few things;

1) EVs and IVs can go home. That ruins the fun of it, for me.

2) Playing with starters or legendaries is hella lame

3) I'm hoping that, in X and Y, they'll have more of a spillover between different-region pokemon. In other words, when I need an electric type during the main story playthrough, I don't want to have to be forced to get an electrike or a pikachu. I want variety, throw in a bunch of pokemon from a bunch of different regions into the same area, so I have a selection to choose from. Also, that would add to the fun of making my team different from my friend's team, etc

And you're perfectly at liberty to ignore EVs and IVs, but at least the choice is there for the more serious players to get more out of their game.

 

[Sora]

But casual players want to play online as well Karla. We don't want to be put with EV/IV grinders whose level 100 shiny Manphy kills us in 10 seconds. If there was an introduction of matches that remove any EV/IV grinding, we would be perfectly happy to play online again as casual players. Sorry but pokemon is a kid's game at heart, and all this introduction of complication just makes it much less beginner and casual friendly if you want to play with others.

 

[Sora]

If it is another evolution, I hope it's one for the cherubi line or audino. Either would be interesting.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Why extend the Audino line It should forever remain the pokemon you seek out to beat up for experience

 

[KarlaKGB]

Then find other people who want play casually. The game is about battling and complicated mechanics are necessary to prevent it from just being some rock paper scissors game. Also, I don't know why the anti-comp people bring up shinies all the time, they have no impact on gameplay whatsoever.

 

[Sora]

Except its not a Rock Paper Scissors game...obviously you don't understand what I am trying to say so you're not worth the time

 

[Sora]

Because I think every nonrare/nonlegendary should at least have one evolution or alternate form

 

[KarlaKGB]

There's no need to be rude. I do understand what you're saying. I am absolutely for a "basic" battle mode where only base stats are used. I would even go so far to say that IVs should be redone to be less luck-based. That's why most of the competitive battling is done on simulators such as Pokemon Online, where you don't need to put in the time to train the Pokemon, you just come up with the team and strategy.

 

[Juicebox]

I wouldn't want to go back to the old games. Though I do have to mention that shiny pokemon and genders were introduced in gen 2.
Honestly, I think the games keep getting better. I might like some older ones more, but the content just keeps getting added.

The games have simplicity. You don't HAVE to EV train or go all in with playing competitively. But if you want to, the option is open to you. Random matchups on WIFI are going to consist of the people who EV train. That is their way of being able to play the game they want that is still challenging to them.

I know, I just meant that in gen 2, shinies and females had set IVs, and couldn't be top priority because the IV's were default low. Gen 3 made it so that genders and shinies were based off of more factors than just the IV's.


And I don't understand why everyone is getting so snippy. Yeah, it's kind of annoying to do random online matchup (I personally think that gamefreak should play with the filter so that people can choose a casual or serious match). But there are also dozens of forums dedicated to Pokemon. You are perfectly free to go onto one of those and ask for a casual match, and you will get a ton of replies. You can even be specific about how you want to battle. Being a competitive player doesn't make you any less of a fan, not being competitive doesn't make you less of a fan.

You honestly shouldn't care how somebody else plays their game. They bought it, they are playing in the legal limits, it's theirs. People keep saying that competitive takes away the fun, and yet here they are, wanting to take away a large group of people's fun, just because they don't think it's fun. It shouldn't matter. More than anything, I want gamefreak to put a filter in so that this nonsense can be over with.

Competitive vs. casual is more annoying than genwars.