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way to use the no true scotsman fallacy
there's a difference between feminists and Tumblr SJW, but i wouldn't expect you to know such a difference. : )




@Kitsuneko Thank you for a response that's actually constructive and actually adds onto the discussion! However, I do want to point out a few things:
- I honestly hadn't heard of the news about the t-shirt, nor do I think it should have been newsworthy to begin with. I think I can see where the complaints originally come from which is the image distributed by the media of women seen as nothing more than sex objects. Which is nothing new, of course, but you have to wonder when it'll finally come to an end.

- I've honestly never heard of feminists claiming superiority and the likes, but I think what you refer to is radical feminism. Again, I think you're mislabeling them as the central premise of feminism on its own is the "advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men."

- I think it's a bit hypocritical of you to say that it's not right that these people derailed the guy's original achievement into a discussion on his t-shirt when you're doing a similar thing by derailing the discussion of Gamergate. This controversy is about multiple central issues, not just one. You've stated a couple of times already saying that it's not a big deal and that it's something really trivial, when it isn't.

- Regarding the responses to and from Gamergate, there are people for and against this issue that have made this controversy about gender. The fact that women are getting attacked by these people with death threats and rape threats speaks volumes of the environment the gaming community is in. If you think the environment is a safe and easy-going place, then I don't think you've witnessed the online gaming community beyond Nintendo's family-friendly games. This is part of the ongoing issues being talked about, and not what you claim about people advocating women being superior.
 
way to use the no true scotsman fallacy

In my experience, the SJWs I have argued with on TBT tend to use that fallacy a lot.

there's a difference between feminists and Tumblr SJW, but i wouldn't expect you to know such a difference. : )

- I've honestly never heard of feminists claiming superiority and the likes, but I think what you refer to is radical feminism. Again, I think you're mislabeling them as the central premise of feminism on its own is the "advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men."

- Regarding the responses to and from Gamergate, there are people for and against this issue that have made this controversy about gender. The fact that women are getting attacked by these people with death threats and rape threats speaks volumes of the environment the gaming community is in. If you think the environment is a safe and easy-going place, then I don't think you've witnessed the online gaming community beyond Nintendo's family-friendly games. This is part of the ongoing issues being talked about, and not what you claim about people advocating women being superior.

What I find fascinating here is that on one hand, you're decrying the people who say that "all feminists claim superiority over men" but then on the other hand you claim that the gaming community is all throwing death threats.

Just like the radical feminists, it's a small minority of people shouting death threats.
 
Honestly this whole thing is a mess. id like to see games (other than nintendo) where women arent sexualized and there are a more equal rate of males to females. also i see my self as a feminist an honestly anita is kinda ****ty.
 
What I find fascinating here is that on one hand, you're decrying the people who say that "all feminists claim superiority over men" but then on the other hand you claim that the gaming community is all throwing death threats.

Just like the radical feminists, it's a small minority of people shouting death threats.

Fair point, terrible wording on my part(never said the entire community, but thanks for throwing false superlatives into my statements). However, it's that elephant in the room that people fail to acknowledge or address (evidenced in this very thread here) that really makes think of the gaming community the way that I've described it. The attacks are a small part of the problem of the treatment of women, along with unwillingness to see female-led games (referring back to when someone mentioned Mirrors Edge 2. Whaaat, a rehashed game with similar game mechanics? Like we haven't seen that before with 80% of the games out there, yet there's no huge outcry over that lol).

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from the posts ive seen, ur the very embodiment of tumblr sjw
i reeeally don't care what you have to say about me. :) stay back on topic pls.
 
Fair point, terrible wording on my part(never said the entire community, but thanks for throwing false superlatives into my statements). However, it's that elephant in the room that people fail to acknowledge or address (evidenced in this very thread here) that really makes think of the gaming community the way that I've described it. The attacks are a small part of the problem of the treatment of women, along with unwillingness to see female-led games (referring back to when someone mentioned Mirrors Edge 2. Whaaat, a rehashed game with similar game mechanics? Like we haven't seen that before with 80% of the games out there, yet there's no huge outcry over that lol).

You described it as "volumes of the environment the gaming community is in."

Pretty obvious you meant most of the community.
 
It was originally about Zoe Quinn sleeping with reviewers and other gaming industry people to help out her game.

Her supporters and social justice warriors have warped it into the typical "females aren't represented" thing.

this is all I know. I remember reading it and seeing essay sized comments with arguments between people with ponies in their avatars and women with multicolored hair and I had to go outside.
 
Isn't this whole thing just sjws and feminazis whining about not having enough games that cater to their demographic and some gaming journalism scandals? Because gaming journalism is a joke of a "profession" and it deserves to die. As for the whining, do they seriously expect developers to cater to their needs/much smaller demographic just because of "MUH EQUALITY"? That's almost as big of a joke as gaming journalism. Anita, Zoe, and the rest of their subhuman sjw feminazi whining club need to understand how the industry works. But I wouldn't expect them to ever learn since Zoe Quinn is the cancer killing the video games industry.
 
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The attacks are a small part of the problem of the treatment of women, along with unwillingness to see female-led games (referring back to when someone mentioned Mirrors Edge 2. Whaaat, a rehashed game with similar game mechanics? Like we haven't seen that before with 80% of the games out there, yet there's no huge outcry over that lol).
For somebody complaining about people using false superlatives you sure enjoy using them yourself. I never said that I wouldn't like to see female-led games. In fact, there have been games led by females which I thought were incredible (Assassin's Creed II being a prime example). I am all for women joining the gaming industry, but when they force bad game design into it then the effect is only going to be negative.

My main complaint for Anita Sarkeesian being used as one of the project leads on Mirror's Edge 2 is that she doesn't know what games are about, let alone Mirror's Edge. She thought ME1 was too hard because apparently the controls were "too difficult" (even though they were perfectly fine, and explained well within the game). That's not surprising, seeing as she herself has admitted to not being a gamer. Now she wants to dumb down the gameplay to where it's literally just GTA with a woman.

To put it into a perspective that you would maybe understand, it's like somebody saying "Animal Crossing is too hard", then making it into GTA. It's ignoring the brand and previous game(s) entirely and just throwing in the most casual types of gameplay.
 
The movement has brought up a lot of proof of the corruption among gaming "journalists". I don't see how that's nonsense. If these people had any integrity they would not be bribed or bring their own agendas into their work, yet they do. A lot of them don't even know what being a journalist is.

American news agencies are pretty much owned by political parties, but I doubt people are happy about that either.

It has already been known that journalism was corrupt long before gamergate started. All I read on the news about gamergate is the feminist agenda and that leads to utter controversy.

If you want a solution to corrupt gaming journalism: Stop going to IGN, Gamespot, and Kotaku.
 
Isn't this whole thing just sjws and feminazis whining about not having enough games that cater to their demographic and some gaming journalism scandals? Because gaming journalism is a joke of a "profession" and it deserves to die. As for the whining, do they seriously expect developers to cater to their needs/much smaller demographic just because of "MUH EQUALITY"? That's almost as big of a joke as gaming journalism. Anita, Zoe, and the rest of their subhuman sjw feminazi whining club need to understand how the industry works. But I wouldn't expect them to ever learn since Zoe Quinn is the cancer killing the video games industry.
Kinda related question here

is she the same one that wrote that weird book about her sister or is that someone else?
 
It has already been known that journalism was corrupt long before gamergate started. All I read on the news about gamergate is the feminist agenda and that leads to utter controversy.

If you want a solution to corrupt gaming journalism: Stop going to IGN, Gamespot, and Kotaku.
Don't forget Gamesutra, the gaming website that called gaming dead and then a horde of SJWs and feminazis start calling Intel sexist mysogynistic pigs for pulling their gaming-targeted advertising off the site.
 
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Isn't this whole thing just sjws and feminazis whining about not having enough games that cater to their demographic and some gaming journalism scandals? Because gaming journalism is a joke of a "profession" and it deserves to die. As for the whining, do they seriously expect developers to cater to their needs/much smaller demographic just because of "MUH EQUALITY"? That's almost as big of a joke as gaming journalism. Anita, Zoe, and the rest of their subhuman sjw feminazi whining club need to understand how the industry works. But I wouldn't expect them to ever learn since Zoe Quinn is the cancer killing the video games industry.
The sad thing is that a lot of companies are actually wanting to cater to this small demographic. Hell, even women are suffering under it.

Amy Hennig, the person who wrote for fantastic games like the Blood Omen/Legacy of Kain series and Uncharted (up to 3), as well as directing Uncharted 1 and 3, was fired by the currently-SJW company Naughty Dog because she didn't agree with their feminazi views. She thought it was ridiculous how they thought about feminism and couldn't identify with their claims at all. After all, she, a woman in her 50s, had become successful in the video games industry. How? By simply doing it.

These SJWs and feminazis can complain all they want, but unless they get off their asses and start making quality titles then nothing is going to change. But let's complain about the industry instead, that'll surely fix everything. Never mind the fact that all the "VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY IS MALE-CONTROLLED" is scaring away women from even entering the industry. Good job, guys. All your complaints about how there's not enough women in the video game industry is leading to even less women in the industry.
 
like idk how to feel about it cuz..gamergate but honestly I see it the same way I see music when it comes to gender issues

> Girl does her thing // omg wow slut wtf how dare u wear that, she's acting as a bad rolemodel
> girl does other thing// wow why isn't she sticking up for herself, wow why can't she be more heroic, why is she all covered up??@?

like if princess peach wants to bake cakes and have a little fun with bowser on the downlow why can't bayonetta kick ass and look sexy af. At the end of the day who cares?!?!

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The weird book was Lena Dunham

oh ok thanks, for some reason my brain thought it was related to gamergate somehow.
 
Could someone possibly post an unbiased, neutral outline of the major problems with GG? I've heard about it but am not well informed and many of the sources seem biased.
 
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