Non-amiibo villagers like Raymond/Audie/Judy/Sherb getting duped by savestates

[EpiDemic]

i just wrote with the nintendo support chat
they be like
"we can't prevent hacker doing ****, we can't prevent people selling those things, you have to accept the decisions we have taken when developing this game"

he closed the support chat without waiting for my reply

 

[JKDOS]

I'm not looking to adopt Raymond, but I fully support what they're doing (The savestate giveaways).

 

[Hyoshido]

If they're duping these villagers and giving them away for free, fair on them, that's the nicest thing you can do in this demanding market for virtual animals

Hackers/Save staters putting prices on these animals however, is beyond twisted and greedy, I like Raymond as much as the other folks do, but that's just bang out of order of Ebay greed

If folks wanna buy stuff from hackers to get their virtual animals, I can at least support nook mile ticket sellers on there a bunch more than villager traders on there

 

[Kurashiki]

of course people selling villagers for real money is crazy, but in terms of ppl just duping non-amiibo villagers and then trading or giving them away i don't really consider it a problem. if anything, there will just be more in circulation and cause prices to go down.

 

[JKDOS]

Hackers/Save staters putting prices on these animals however, is beyond twisted and greedy, I like Raymond as much as the other folks do, but that's just bang out of order of Ebay greed

I don't think the hackers are the ones making those ebay posts. If a hacker could dupe Raymond, they'd make far more money selling him at $10-$20 a pop. $350 is a price very few would pay, and only someone who is not hacking would have something to gain from the rare opportunity.

 

[BunnyElsa]

I spotted on ebay people selling Raymond for a... "Deal"
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Ok, he looks cool and all but holy hell..

Geez that's crazy!! I'll never get over the fact that my second ever island visit had Audie. I almost sobbed tbh. And my first island had Gayle!
The fact that Raymond is being sold for (easily) over 500 NMT is quite upsetting tbh? Especially those who really want him, genuinely, among the chaos. And now this?!

 

[Vex L'Cour]

i just wrote with the nintendo support chat
they be like
"we can't prevent hacker doing ****, we can't prevent people selling those things, you have to accept the decisions we have taken when developing this game"

he closed the support chat without waiting for my reply

What did you expect? Few companies/games will chase RLC traders unless it effects ingame MXTs (which animal crossing has none...yet). There's nothing you can really reply to them in this, it's their decision ultimately. Plus they don't tend to care about hacking unless it's considered malicious (which RLC trading isn't).

To everyone else; RLC trading is now a big market (Especially with the success of the game and everyone trapped in doors), people need money and this has proven to be a good source of that money (what with dupers/hackers spotting exploits). Remember how "crazy" people thought Fallout 76's market of $50 guns was? Now we have people literally willing to pay hundreds for a single villager. The game is new and people are more likely to make these "Snap decisions" during the opening months, when the market becomes saturated with the laid back casual players giving away things and selling for In game bells the marketplace will get fairer.

 

[Hyoshido]

I don't think the hackers are the ones making those ebay posts. If a hacker could dupe Raymond, they'd make far more money selling him at $10-$20 a pop. $350 is a price very few would pay, and only someone who is not hacking would have something to gain from the rare opportunity.

I'm talkin' the general ones on there like $50, whoever's doing that $350 is just stupid dumb
Regardless none of the priced ones are valid in my eyes

 

[Vex L'Cour]

I'm talkin' the general ones on there like $50, whoever's doing that $350 is just stupid dumb
Regardless none of the priced ones are valid in my eyes

Yeah when I looked for that $350 one I found a lot of people doing $30-$50 listings.

 

[Bioness]

That seems completely plausible, Its definitely something for Nintendo to prevent. I hope they will do something soon! as mentioned by Lio that Paypal link also reminds me of how people on ebay are selling 500 nook tickets for $20, they're probably using save states to 'duplicate' these items.

Counterpoint: Nintendo has already done enough heavy handed anti-duping AND anti-consumer practices by not enabling cloud save backups and only allowing a single town per system.

I would rather duping and villager copying than more "safeguards" from Nintendo.

 

[skogkyst]

Wonderful! Hopefully this drives their prices down to reasonable levels (not that I'm interested in buying them).

 

[Heartcore]

It's a no from me, chief. That is super shady.

 

[DJStarstryker]

i just wrote with the nintendo support chat
they be like
"we can't prevent hacker doing ****, we can't prevent people selling those things, you have to accept the decisions we have taken when developing this game"

he closed the support chat without waiting for my reply

So says that support guy. Except Nintendo regularly sues people for hacking and/or violating their copyrights. I mean, a news article came out a few months ago about Nintendo suing that guy who leaked a lot of stuff for Pokemon Sword/Shield pre-release because he'd hacked into some server of theirs to get the info.

 

[Vex L'Cour]

So says that support guy. Except Nintendo regularly sues people for hacking and/or violating their copyrights. I mean, a news article came out a few months ago about Nintendo suing that guy who leaked a lot of stuff for Pokemon Sword/Shield pre-release because he'd hacked into some server of theirs to get the info.

There's a big difference between hacking into a server to get information locked behind a NDA for their employees...and hacking a video game..

 

[DJStarstryker]

There's a big difference between hacking into a server to get information locked behind a NDA for their employees...and hacking a video game..

Obviously. Those they usually patch if they can though, so it's not like they do nothing.

Those many 3DS "stability" patches were generally trying to fix things that the pirates were taking advantage of.

 

[Vex L'Cour]

Obviously. Those they usually patch if they can though, so it's not like they do nothing.

Those many 3DS "stability" patches were generally trying to fix things that the pirates were taking advantage of.

Generally it's impossible to stop someone hacking a game's files and manipulating them if they're clever enough, you'll weed out the kiddies and in game exploits (visa vi, dupe glitches). But yeah IG hacking is just a fact of any video game and always will be, the only times it's ever really a legal issue is when we saw the attempts by Blizzard to sue cheat-makers (IDK how well that went).

 

[Miss Misty]

There's a big difference between hacking into a server to get information locked behind a NDA for their employees...and hacking a video game..

I dunno if it's gotten to the 'sue' point, but they've issued a lot of strongly worded C&D notices to people who are making romhacks of like Pokemon FireRed, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, and other old, outdated games on old, outdated consoles that they aren't even making money from anymore. Hell, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into tolerating people streaming their games or doing Let's Plays on YouTube. Nintendo generally doesn't like people doing anything with their games outside the very narrow bounds of what they consider acceptable. Even if they can't do anything about it, the fact that they aren't trying is very out of character for them.

 

[Vex L'Cour]

I dunno if it's gotten to the 'sue' point, but they've issued a lot of strongly worded C&D notices to people who are making romhacks of like Pokemon FireRed, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, and other old, outdated games on old, outdated consoles that they aren't even making money from anymore. Hell, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into tolerating people streaming their games or doing Let's Plays on YouTube. Nintendo generally doesn't like people doing anything with their games outside the very narrow bounds of what they consider acceptable. Even if they can't do anything about it, the fact that they aren't trying is very out of character for them.

Again, there's a lot of difference you're missing.

Romhacks are technically using Nintendo copyrighted material and Nintendo looks down on that, it's why a lot of game modders now make custom assets for their stuff (Look at the Skywind/Skyblivion projects for an example of this). Legally it's still under Nintendo's licensing and they have the right to sue due to it. Where as hacking a game's files to get items or exploits isn't something they can sue over or do much past *possibly* banning someone, but IDK if they ban in ACNH for hacked items (IIRC there's a warning about it when you first use the DoDo airlines... but I could be very VERY wrong).

 

[Miss Misty]

Again, there's a lot of difference you're missing.

Romhacks are technically using Nintendo copyrighted material and Nintendo looks down on that, it's why a lot of game modders now make custom assets for their stuff (Look at the Skywind/Skyblivion projects for an example of this). Legally it's still under Nintendo's licensing and they have the right to sue due to it. Where as hacking a game's files to get items or exploits isn't something they can sue over or do much past *possibly* banning someone, but IDK if they ban in ACNH for hacked items (IIRC there's a warning about it when you first use the DoDo airlines... but I could be very VERY wrong).

Right, but Raymond, Audie, Nook Miles Tickets, etc... are also Nintendo's copyrighted material. If they're more than willing to throw the book at people who are manipulating their copyrighted material and making no money (romhackers), it's odd that they aren't doing anything about the people who are manipulating their copyrighted material and charging money for it (the dupers on eBay).

 

[Vex L'Cour]

Right, but Raymond, Audie, Nook Miles Tickets, etc... are also Nintendo's copyrighted material. If they're more than willing to throw the book at people who are manipulating their copyrighted material and making no money (romhackers), it's odd that they aren't doing anything about the people who are manipulating their copyrighted material and charging money for it (the dupers on eBay).

The issue is how the law is on these things. There's a lot of legal differences to be had between the two and technically a lot of those romhackers were receiving "donations" which can be construed as them "Making money from copyrighted material and assets", which sure you could argue happens when people sell IG items on eBay, but unfortunately it's not the same. IDK the full legal ins and outs so I'm not going to post futher, but it shouldn't be brought in as a "WELL THEY'LL GET SUED LOL" as I think companies have tried it in the past and summarily failed miserably.