Mccain or Obama?

[Bacon Boy]

I,m old enough to vote. I,m voting for Obama because I,m Democratic.
And plus, that idiot McCain wants the war in Iraq to continue! If it continues,
more lives will perish, the US will NEVER regain it's reputation with the world,
and not to mention there will be more economic problems. Worse, the terrorists
in Afghanistan may come with a new idea to attack the US because the US has
been too busy with Iraq.

This war in Iraq is totally pointless! What is the US fighting for there? NOTHING
What are they trying to accomplish? NOTHING! It has got to stop right now!

yes, people will die if we continue, but more will die if we don't. Two reasons I'm for the wars:

1) We fight them there instead of here.
2) We're helping the people in Iraq, and trying to make it a better country.

Whence they become a better country, and the terrorists are defeated, then the wars will end. But until Al Qeada is defeated (and the rest of the groups as well), we won't have peace. The troops know that what they're doing is good, the want to leave, but they don't want to leave. Meaning... they want to see their families, but they want to help these people.

 

[Zephent]

Well obviously, but from the Democrats point of view its a war we're not going to win, or rather, not going to win without a large cost. Theres no doubt that what happens over there is terrible, and should not be allowed to continue, but at the same time, we've been over there so long, with little to nothing accomplished.

I remember Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech, hahah, that was Years ago.

So I say we set a timeframe, if we honestly cant see progress within this proposed timeframe, we should pull out, because otherwise, it'll still be a long while before any progress is made, period.

 

[Micah]

I honestly cannot see a major difference between Senator McCain and Senator Obama. Even if I wanted to pick a lesser of evils, I wouldn't know which one is less evil. People also ask me why "I'm wasting my vote?" I tell them that it's actually you who waste your voted by voting for the status quo (McCain, Obama) in a broken system. I don't support any party or person. The only thing I support is the philosophy of liberty.

And I worry about politics as a method of self defense. :gyroidgrin: Increase in government is a decrease in my liberty, so I will fight against that. I also agree with civil disobedience, which a lot of libertarians do instead of political action. (Ghandi was the master of civil disobedience)

This, but if I had to choose one it would be McCain because of Sarah Palin.

 

[Deleted User]

i go for obama we need change

 

[The Chameleon]

I,m old enough to vote. I,m voting for Obama because I,m Democratic.
And plus, that idiot McCain wants the war in Iraq to continue! If it continues,
more lives will perish, the US will NEVER regain it's reputation with the world,
and not to mention there will be more economic problems. Worse, the terrorists
in Afghanistan may come with a new idea to attack the US because the US has
been too busy with Iraq.

This war in Iraq is totally pointless! What is the US fighting for there? NOTHING
What are they trying to accomplish? NOTHING! It has got to stop right now!

yes, people will die if we continue, but more will die if we don't. Two reasons I'm for the wars:

1) We fight them there instead of here.
2) We're helping the people in Iraq, and trying to make it a better country.

Whence they become a better country, and the terrorists are defeated, then the wars will end. But until Al Qeada is defeated (and the rest of the groups as well), we won't have peace. The troops know that what they're doing is good, the want to leave, but they don't want to leave. Meaning... they want to see their families, but they want to help these people.

I do see your point, but there is one problem.

I don't tihnk that Iraq can ever be made into a better country. Iraq has been like this since day 1.
They have no idea what democracy is because they never lived in that type of government.
All they know is hostility and violence because they've been living in it for centuries. So I don't think Iraq will ever be changed into a better nation.

And another thing is that the point for the US ot go war was because of Al-Qeada. They were responsible for the 9/11 terrorists attacks, not Iraq.

 

[Bacon Boy]

I,m old enough to vote. I,m voting for Obama because I,m Democratic.
And plus, that idiot McCain wants the war in Iraq to continue! If it continues,
more lives will perish, the US will NEVER regain it's reputation with the world,
and not to mention there will be more economic problems. Worse, the terrorists
in Afghanistan may come with a new idea to attack the US because the US has
been too busy with Iraq.

This war in Iraq is totally pointless! What is the US fighting for there? NOTHING
What are they trying to accomplish? NOTHING! It has got to stop right now!

yes, people will die if we continue, but more will die if we don't. Two reasons I'm for the wars:

1) We fight them there instead of here.
2) We're helping the people in Iraq, and trying to make it a better country.

Whence they become a better country, and the terrorists are defeated, then the wars will end. But until Al Qeada is defeated (and the rest of the groups as well), we won't have peace. The troops know that what they're doing is good, the want to leave, but they don't want to leave. Meaning... they want to see their families, but they want to help these people.

I do see your point, but there is one problem.

I don't tihnk that Iraq can ever be made into a better country. Iraq has been like this since day 1.
They have no idea what democracy is because they never lived in that type of government.
All they know is hostility and violence because they've been living in it for centuries. So I don't think Iraq will ever be changed into a better nation.

And another thing is that the point for the US ot go war was because of Al-Qeada. They were responsible for the 9/11 terrorists attacks, not Iraq.

because of the terrorists. we kill them and stop them now, we're okay. Obama's like Clinton. Almost exactly. Clinton had to chance to catch Osama, but he didnt.

 

[Melee201]

McCain is who I am voting for.

I do not like Obama very much AT all... Big reason is because of the pro-abortion thing...

I agree with you. If I could vote, I would vote for McCain.

 

[Kyle]

^o) Nader.

 

[Bacon Boy]

I HAVE COME ACROSS SOME ASTOUNDING INFO!!!

90% of African Americans say that if a caucaision doesn't vote for Obama, then they are racist.

But I say, that if that's true, then any african american who doesn't vote for McCain is also racist, and if they're men, they're sexist because they're not voting for Palin.

BUUUUURRRRNNNNN!!!!

 

[Bulerias]

I,m old enough to vote. I,m voting for Obama because I,m Democratic.
And plus, that idiot McCain wants the war in Iraq to continue! If it continues,
more lives will perish, the US will NEVER regain it's reputation with the world,
and not to mention there will be more economic problems. Worse, the terrorists
in Afghanistan may come with a new idea to attack the US because the US has
been too busy with Iraq.

This war in Iraq is totally pointless! What is the US fighting for there? NOTHING
What are they trying to accomplish? NOTHING! It has got to stop right now!

yes, people will die if we continue, but more will die if we don't. Two reasons I'm for the wars:

1) We fight them there instead of here.
2) We're helping the people in Iraq, and trying to make it a better country.

Whence they become a better country, and the terrorists are defeated, then the wars will end. But until Al Qeada is defeated (and the rest of the groups as well), we won't have peace. The troops know that what they're doing is good, the want to leave, but they don't want to leave. Meaning... they want to see their families, but they want to help these people.

I do see your point, but there is one problem.

I don't tihnk that Iraq can ever be made into a better country. Iraq has been like this since day 1.
They have no idea what democracy is because they never lived in that type of government.
All they know is hostility and violence because they've been living in it for centuries. So I don't think Iraq will ever be changed into a better nation.

And another thing is that the point for the US ot go war was because of Al-Qeada. They were responsible for the 9/11 terrorists attacks, not Iraq.

because of the terrorists. we kill them and stop them now, we're okay. Obama's like Clinton. Almost exactly. Clinton had to chance to catch Osama, but he didnt.

Mmhmmm... right. Bush had 8 years to catch Osama, too.

 

[Sporge27]

I HAVE COME ACROSS SOME ASTOUNDING INFO!!!

90% of African Americans say that if a caucaision doesn't vote for Obama, then they are racist.

But I say, that if that's true, then any african american who doesn't vote for McCain is also racist, and if they're men, they're sexist because they're not voting for Palin.

BUUUUURRRRNNNNN!!!!

There is some racism both ways no doubt about it. But simply by population size there are more Caucasians, and it weights a little more that way. Now really if you look at how African Americans have voted int he past it was 90% in 2000, 88% in 2004. So overly democratic already.

Now the view that those not voting for Obama means you are racist is wrong. But look at what a huge issue this is to them. It is about themselves, they feel threatened by people like that old lady thinking Obama was an Arab and say that that was why she couldn't trust him. And it is not just that you can find some horrible things said about him, some really ignorant things said. Like this. Even the comments get pretty awful at times. This isn't just racism I suppose but religious oppression against Muslims. If you were black and heard stuff like that it becomes an up front issue to you. It scares you to hear things like you do at some Mccain rallies. Again this is not all blacks just as not all Mccain voters are racist, but you tend to see the extremes more than the middle ground.


Almost forgot to add that all women voting for Mccain Palin are also sexist by that logic...

 

[Jeremy]

collectivist ideology = fail

 

[Jman]

Oh- I don't know if anyone else watches Channel One News every morning at school, but they did a huge mock election with teenagers. When I voted a few hours into the first day of voting, my vote was about the 40,000th vote. The results were released today. Kind of interesting if you click on each individual state.

http://onevote.com/results.htm

McCain: 41%
Obama: 59%

McCain got 8 states, if you include Idaho which went 50-50.

 

[VantagE]

Voting for McCain...

 

[Sporge27]

collectivist ideology = fail

I actually disagree to a certain level. Individuals are important but really all forms of government are collectivist to different degrees.

Both these candidates have different parts of collectivism down though, Mccain says country first which is a collectivist mantra, and Obama has a more collectivist view of the economy.

Really for a country to work you need some collectivism to provide unity and a common goal, but individualism is required to protect individuals, minorities, and give the freedom of choices. I do not feel that it is an either or thing... I think both are needed in a civilized society.

 

[Jeremy]

collectivist ideology = fail

I actually disagree to a certain level. Individuals are important but really all forms of government are collectivist to different degrees.

Both these candidates have different parts of collectivism down though, Mccain says country first which is a collectivist mantra, and Obama has a more collectivist view of the economy.

Really for a country to work you need some collectivism to provide unity and a common goal, but individualism is required to protect individuals, minorities, and give the freedom of choices. I do not feel that it is an either or thing... I think both are needed in a civilized society.

You're right on their collectivist views, which is one of the many horrible things about them. Collectivism is bad. Forced "unity" is slavery under the state. I think the only legitimate role of government is the protection of individual liberty.