Mafia Janitorial 2.0! Day ends June 22nd 2020, 5 PM PST.

[Aerious]

ok fair also my post sounded more aggressive than it was meant to lol ignore that

also heyden knew what we said prior to pulling the trigger/shifted onto me claiming oracle. i don’t believe it as of now. everything i’m saying is subject to change, but that ploy to force cop out just seems more scummy than town. as everyone has said, scum is going to cc cop

everything i’m saying is liable to change, this is just where i am rn

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also, inclined to believe that doc died even tho gut says miller/townie was random. outing cop is when town wanted to hold off on cop claim and risking waiting until tmr for cc/claim w lawyer

 

[Heyden]

‘also heyden knew what we said prior to pulling the trigger/shifted onto me claiming oracle.’

I’m srry I’m not sure what you mean by this either

 

[Aerious]

‘also heyden knew what we said prior to pulling the trigger/shifted onto me claiming oracle.’

I’m srry I’m not sure what you mean by this either

that other pr should wait to claim -> “died inside when u claimed oracle” as if i’m meant to play differently. oracle immediately claims bc ticking time bomb/preps to take lead coz maf dumbie to kill me

more than willing to eat my words if you wind up town, but rn am heavily scumleaning u if remy winds up cop

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and as of rn, i do believe that remy is cop coz slight freudian slip from volt “remy didn’t say why they targeted me” + lets kill someone scummy ijs

 

[Heyden]

I mean if I was orc I would be busy baiting a kill but everyone has different playstyles so it was whatever, orc can lead too that’s fine for this set-up.

I hope ur hungry bc Remy is no doubt cop imo

 

[Aerious]

I mean if I was orc I would be busy baiting a kill but everyone has different playstyles so it was whatever, orc can lead too that’s fine for this set-up.

I hope ur hungry bc Remy is no doubt cop imo

it’s incredibly foolish to bait and kill myself for a confirmed town when i can just take confirmed town role. idk anything about playstyles differing, but there’s little room for error in our setup. no point senselessly killing town — hence why killing volt to confirm remy

 

[epona]

volt not really sticking around to formulate a defence is very telling here, i think we probably are nailing maf here

if volt flips w i have a hard time believing that heyden is scum

using a fakeclaim that you know for a fact is still in the game is a huge risk but potentially works for scum, but WHY would you choose one of your scummates as the person to fake a townread on when that could so easily go so badly wrong considering you're not the real cop

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*fake a town result on

 

[Heyden]

Oh I meant bait a kill got night like soft or slip as doctor or something during the day.

And from a mafia Remy POV, she would’ve had a jan death on cop, and random townsperson called Heyden claiming cop. I just don’t think she’s bold/experienced enough (nothing personal) to pull a move like that as mafia. She’s townlock to me lol.

 

[Ace Marvel]

Okay now I'm leaning more to think Epona town/Tom scum.

In Heyden defense (only in the train of thought) I did think something like this could happened, but only Ould work with a town vanilla fake claiming doctor to give the real doctor another night save from being killed, but is a really dangerous move and right now we don't have the ability to do it efficiently so I scrapped that possibility.

I do have to agree that if Heyden targeted Aerious, the I'm town trying to save the day would be more passable, but the odds of both "cops" targeting volts, made it an impossible situation. I would have gone for Epona if cop, because is one of the harder players to read, but maybe that is just me.

Guava's don't lynch me or else, was really off for me it was either a soft claim I'm doc or was scum motivated.

We can't ignore the possibility that Remy and Heyden made this plan as a way to limit the pool. But with Remy inexperience I see this as highly unlikely, I see this as a veteran play, but I might be wrong.

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And that cop is Shawo.

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Also Tom's insta vote on me not followed by Epona's makes me believe that Epona is being more critical of the game and won't go into a wagon so easily.

 

[Aerious]

volt not really sticking around to formulate a defence is very telling here, i think we probably are nailing maf here

if volt flips w i have a hard time believing that heyden is scum

using a fakeclaim that you know for a fact is still in the game is a huge risk but potentially works for scum, but WHY would you choose one of your scummates as the person to fake a townread on when that could so easily go so badly wrong considering you're not the real cop

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*fake a town result on

it’s entirely possible bc most town will align with the way that you feel. regardless, we won’t have a true answer unless lawyer dies. idk if it’s worth exploring rn further since volt is dying today either way

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best case scenario: volt is lawyer

 

[epona]

it’s entirely possible bc most town will align with the way that you feel. regardless, we won’t have a true answer unless lawyer dies. idk if it’s worth exploring rn further since volt is dying today either way

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best case scenario: volt is lawyer

i agree that volt is dying today, but rn without daychat scum benefits from the thread stagnating/discussion being stamped out because of a runaway wagon

i think we should definitely keep talking, scum are most likely operating on 3 individual agendas after all of this bc they can't consult with each other, so it's in their best interests to say as little as possible

 

[Aerious]

i agree that volt is dying today, but rn without daychat scum benefits from the thread stagnating/discussion being stamped out because of a runaway wagon

i think we should definitely keep talking, scum are most likely operating on 3 individual agendas after all of this bc they can't consult with each other, so it's in their best interests to say as little as possible

so you think we should utilize day chat as much as possible? idk, because i’m heavily leaning on doc being random death and attempting to bait out cop claim to kill. don’t think mafia expected me to out my role so soon, so we play as if i’m surviving and cop dies tonight

 

[glow]

@shawo

i'm assuming miller flips mafia? or will miller flip mill.

 

[epona]

so you think we should utilize day chat as much as possible? idk, because i’m heavily leaning on doc being random death and attempting to bait out cop claim to kill. don’t think mafia expected me to out my role so soon, so we play as if i’m surviving and cop dies tonight

what does you being oracle have to do with anything? we also have no idea whether doctor is dead or not so i don't really see why you'd be heavily leaning that way

all i'm saying is that it is better for town to not let the thread go silent just bc we have decided the wagon. scum are divided bc they don't have daychat, so they're more likely to mess up/slip/implicate partners between now and eod

 

[glow]

i actually think that volts awkward response makes them scum, so i'm good with lynching them. i feel like town response would be a little more flustered whereas volt seems to try to be / composed /

 

[epona]

@shawo

i'm assuming miller flips mafia? or will miller flip mill.

F*** i just re-read OP

One Miller: The scapegoat for the first trial. When investigated they show up as sided with the mafia, when lynched they appear as vanilla mafia. However, if they're killed they appear as the miller. They also appear to themselves as a vanilla townie.

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so basically volt's info-lynch is actually useless and clears nobody lol

 

[Aerious]

what does you being oracle have to do with anything? we also have no idea whether doctor is dead or not so i don't really see why you'd be heavily leaning that way

all i'm saying is that it is better for town to not let the thread go silent just bc we have decided the wagon. scum are divided bc they don't have daychat, so they're more likely to mess up/slip/implicate partners between now and eod

just inclination based on heyden’s reactions and gameplay. me being oracle has nothing to do with anything besides me being more prone to staying alive, as i could easily hit maf. i don’t think they expected me to out, but rather what heyden said, expect me to play jester

i agree w u though — it could cut off their coordination and provide more clues for later days

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miller appearing townie is doo doo, but if we hit 2 maf back to back, i’m willing to die for confirmed town/maf hit

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volt still hella shady to me tho ngl i’m not mad at this elim

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@Tom quit coasting scumlord

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Guava's don't lynch me or else, was really off for me it was either a soft claim I'm doc or was scum motivated.

We can't ignore the possibility that Remy and Heyden made this plan as a way to limit the pool. But with Remy inexperience I see this as highly unlikely, I see this as a veteran play, but I might be wrong.

And that cop is Shawo.

Also Tom's insta vote on me not followed by Epona's makes me believe that Epona is being more critical of the game and won't go into a wagon so easily.

I’m convinced honestly that unless Guava steps it up, they’re mafia too tbh. Like I’ve mentioned before, they seemed so much stronger in the rad6 game in scum hunting but for the most part they haven’t done much of anything. Softing at this point is pointless too imo, if they’ve gonna paint a target then claim tbh. @guav@ claim coward

Answered this down below but I sneak peek: I don’t think Remy & Heyden can both be mafia.

so you think we should utilize day chat as much as possible? idk, because i’m heavily leaning on doc being random death and attempting to bait out cop claim to kill. don’t think mafia expected me to out my role so soon, so we play as if i’m surviving and cop dies tonight

We should be utilizing day chat as much as possible to spitball ideas, it’s not like we can at night and I think it’d be better to go into Day 2 with a concrete plan. Night kill/mislynch could change things, but it’s not like we can’t game theory out some ideas.

so basically volt's info-lynch is actually useless and clears nobody lol

Maybe, but if we ended up actually mislynching Volt then that gives us two targets: Remy and Heyden. At the same time however, I can’t see that as likely because if Mafia doesn’t have day chat then if the Shawo role was actually Cop only the Janitor role would know that. So Heyden v Remy (mvm) doesn’t work unless we assume the worst of them. So I guess while typing this unless a third person throws their hat into the Cop Ring; If Volt = Town, Remy = Mafia.

Mom get me thumb tacs and string

@Tom quit coasting scumlord

What do you want from me, a devil’s advocate for Volt?

 

[Aerious]

@Tom game theory GO

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rmbr tho eliminating miller means it’s going to appear as townie, which is doo doo

 

[Ace Marvel]

@Tom game theory GO

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rmbr tho eliminating miller means it’s going to appear as townie, which is doo doo

Since it is a Lynch, they will appear as mafia, and Remy if cop, would have gotten an accurate read. Lawyer can only make you look as town, not a town look like mafia.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

@Tom game theory GO

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rmbr tho eliminating miller means it’s going to appear as townie, which is doo doo

you want something specific for me to go from or just random crap

also miller will show as mafia, which I assume you meant?

The scapegoat for the first trial. When investigated they show up as sided with the mafia, when lynched they appear as vanilla mafia. However, if they're killed they appear as the miller. They also appear to themselves as a vanilla townie.