Homeschooling

[Psychonaut]

hardly a product of the public school. I'm me. i'm just not the me i used to be, and thank god for that.

if i hadn't had that social aspect, i wouldn't have been social, ever. it's not so much what the school/learning did for me, because the school is/was crap. it's just my own personal experience, and how i feel i would be that way, if i had been in a private school as opposed to the public schools.

and i think i replied to this question a few pages ago, don't remember. eh.

tl;dr, i was a robot, private school would have fed my education, which would have stalled my social growth (keeping me in that rut), as compared to public school, which stalled my education in place of feeding my social growth.

i know it's BS once it leaves my own head, but it's my own personal view/experience/opinion. i didn't go to a private school, but you didn't go to a public school (from what i've read/remember reading in this thread, i haven't kept up with tbt the past two days). the only people who have any real/justifiable opinion are those who have done all three, or at least two. (Psychonaut has only done public)

oh god wall of text.

Although I understand where you are coming from, I don't agree on two main points.

1) Even though I've never attended public school, my opinion is still legitimate because I'm not invoking any personal experience and am simply pointing out the general pros and cons of all three education options.

2) Increased education has absolutely no relation to stalling of social growth. Likewise, increased socialization doesn't necessarily mean worse education. I don't understand why you feel there is an inherent connection between the two. If you're so dead-set on socializing as a homeschooler, there are many options ranging from homeschool groups to clubs to sports to bands. Some feel more contrived than others (most homeschool groups I've been to came off as "fake"), but at the end of the day, there's your socialization.

There comes a point where socialization @ public schools becomes too much of a good thing. In other words, after a certain line, you're not "learning" anything new about social situations and are simply socializing for the sake of socialization. If that's what floats your boat, cool -- but at that point I can understand why your education would take a hit. Sometimes there's very little point in socialization...and that's when, personally speaking, I'm done. I'm the kind of person who socializes when there's a reason..."hanging out" sometimes fits that mold, but sometimes it doesn't. There are some people who are just fun to be around with and do nothing with. Cool, I can understand that. But to be constantly surrounded by unnecessary social interaction? I hardly think that's necessary for sufficient social development.

The reason you see the stereotype of the pale, friendless homeschool kid is because there are cases like that. Just like there are cases of drug-addled public schoolers. But as you very well know, a stereotype can't be applied to everyone. However, the pros and cons of both are nevertheless not equal and don't "balance out". With homeschooling, you get a better (nowadays "accredited") and much more flexible education. With the internet, it's easy to network with others who have similar interests, and this networking is very easy to find on a local level. You are as social as you want to be. With public schooling, the education is markedly worse and your social interactions are forced. Whether they have any merit or not is an entirely different story...

Edit - Also, for what it's worth, I'd just like to point out (again) that I feel there were absolutely no social hurdles in my transition from homeschooling --> college. There was a bit of a "learning curve" as far as the classroom environment, but I've only had one person tell me that they could tell I was homeschooled. How?

"You're pretty opinionated, most kids I met at my school didn't have any opinion on anything at all..."

>implying you read my post
<div class='spoiler_toggle'>tl;dr, i realized this is all just pointless rambling.</div><div class="spoiler" style="display:none;">I was basically saying that I was, personally, that "pale, friendless homeschooled kid" before public school, which is not to say that I am what public school wanted me to be, but that i took from that experience and grew.

personally. me. not what i think other people/the system is, just me.

I am curious about your point 2) and the following paragraph.. just because they seem to contradict one another, somewhat. which isn't to say that i disagree with either points.

I think that the reason i learned less (and by extention, why a majority of public schools have worse education, yes i know it's kinda contradictory to what i was trying to defend at the beginning of my post) was because of the second paragraph, in that socialization is too much of a good thing (which, to be fair, is caused more by the students and less by the teachers, the system only caters to the students in order to try to get them to learn/care, IMO).

@ point 1) (Psychonaut thinks for a moment, lol) I still don't believe that your/my opinions are as valid as someone who has experienced all three systems. i made a point to mention at the end of my post that it was only my opinion, and that i was BS once it leaves my own head/thought process. it isn't fact, just my own personal experience/opinion. how the "general pros and cons"</div>

i don't understand where you pulled that wall of text out from, when i was just explaining what you were confused about. the whole post was me giving my own personal experience to explain to you how/why the public education system helped me to become who i am today, without being what it wanted me to be.

I realize, and noted at the end of the post, that it is only opinion, and is only mine.. to say that I feel anything more = wat?

put everything i was typing beforehand into spoilers, for the sake of keeping the conversation alive.

 

[Bulerias]

Ooh, I didn't really refer to your opinion for most of my post. It was just more of a stream of consciousness (after the 2 points, anyway). I don't think the second point contradicts the other paragraph...the "friendless" stereotype exists only because people choose to feed it. In other words, hose who are homeschooled and have no friends can blame...

1) personal circumstances that prevent them from making friends (rarer)
2) their own lack of initiative (more common)

The cause doesn't matter, though. My main point is that an undersocialized homeschooler is not undersocialized because he is a homeschooler. I'm not saying this as a response to anything you wrote, in particular...just generally.

 

[Psychonaut]

Ooh, I didn't really refer to your opinion for most of my post. It was just more of a stream of consciousness (after the 2 points, anyway). I don't think the second point contradicts the other paragraph...the "friendless" stereotype exists only because people choose to feed it. In other words, hose who are homeschooled and have no friends can blame...

1) personal circumstances that prevent them from making friends (rarer)
2) their own lack of initiative (more common)

The cause doesn't matter, though. My main point is that an undersocialized homeschooler is not undersocialized because he is a homeschooler. I'm not saying this as a response to anything you wrote, in particular...just generally.

gotcha.

quote = taken personally by default.
I figured that it could be a train-of-thought sort of thing, but wasn't sure.

the contradiction lies in these two sentences:
>Increased education has absolutely no relation to stalling of social growth. Likewise, increased socialization doesn't necessarily mean worse education.
>In other words, after a certain line, you're not "learning" anything new about social situations and are simply socializing for the sake of socialization.

@ the friendless stereotype, the same could be applied to any stereotype existing, IMO..
sad to say, some stereotypes have base, and vice versa. that the stereotype exists produces the question of "why does it exist?" which would be answered by either the majority (which, i'm assuming here, is public school) doesn't know enough about private/homeschooling, and therefore tries to grasp for some information, coming up with rumors that were started by someone for whatever reason, or that the rumors are older, and with time/generations passing, they have become less solid (the age of internet making socialization very mindless/simple). I doubt that you could say with base the same things that many people believed in the early 1900's, for instance. but i'm rambling.
tl;dr, stereotypes exist.

and yes, agreed @ personal responsibility is the only real fault in terms of being under/oversocialized. you could be a bookworm/loner/emo kid (not the scene-kid/look-at-me-esque emo kids) and be undersocialized in any realm, and the same could be said about oversocialized students existing in public schools, the only inherent difference being the setting, and proximity of others, which affects you/whoever is the subject.

but again, rambling.

@ point 1&2, i feel that point 1 is more of an excuse than a real reason, unless there is something happening (such as family moving constantly/sickness/etc) that directly impairs the persons ability to socialize..

and then i realized i lost my train of thought.

and then i realized that a thread about "lol wut do u guise think about home schoolin" is now about socialization.

oh, tbt.

 

[Bacon Boy]

I still don't believe that your/my opinions are as valid as someone who has experienced all three systems.

So... me?

Also, [me] will give you your name in third person without having to color code.

 

[Lisathegreat!]

Well, Pschyo, maybe cause it has to do with socialization.

Alfred, wtf. Yeah, Nook, like I said, I couldn't open my locker, so I would have to BORROW a P.E unform. They had pink P.E shirts for some reason. Some 4th grader picks out the outfits for the kids who borrow (I KNOW WTF), she gives me shorts that are too small and shirts that are too big. :/

 

[Psychonaut]

I still don't believe that your/my opinions are as valid as someone who has experienced all three systems.

So... me?

Also, [me] will give you your name in third person without having to color code.

sure.

and i use / me, and it turns into whatever code works. lols @ alternate texts

@ lisa i guess, though still, just lol @ the in-depth-ness of the discussion, while the topic simply being "LOLSUP GUISE HOMESCHOOL" or something.

and the second part of your post made no sense. wat?

 

[Lisathegreat!]

I still don't believe that your/my opinions are as valid as someone who has experienced all three systems.

So... me?

Also, [me] will give you your name in third person without having to color code.

sure.

and i use / me, and it turns into whatever code works. lols @ alternate texts

@ lisa i guess, though still, just lol @ the in-depth-ness of the discussion, while the topic simply being "LOLSUP GUISE HOMESCHOOL" or something.

and the second part of your post made no sense. wat?

I wasn't talking to you xD

I'm too lazy to quote ;p

 

[Bacon Boy]

I still don't believe that your/my opinions are as valid as someone who has experienced all three systems.

So... me?

Also, [me] will give you your name in third person without having to color code.

sure.

and i use / me, and it turns into whatever code works. lols @ alternate texts

@ lisa i guess, though still, just lol @ the in-depth-ness of the discussion, while the topic simply being "LOLSUP GUISE HOMESCHOOL" or something.

and the second part of your post made no sense. wat?

I wasn't talking to you xD

I'm too lazy to quote ;p

Referring to me, then?

 

[faithe31]

Hey Lisa! I truly agree with Lex there! Try and see if there is an "Independent Studies" program for you! That would be the best option! Lex is about to get her diploma ahead of everyone else and I already did all that! It's more one-on-one teaching at your own pace! Good Luck!

 

[Lisathegreat!]

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep[me] will give you your name in third person without having to color code.

sure.

and i use / me, and it turns into whatever code works. lols @ alternate texts

@ lisa i guess, though still, just lol @ the in-depth-ness of the discussion, while the topic simply being "LOLSUP GUISE HOMESCHOOL" or something.

and the second part of your post made no sense. wat?

I wasn't talking to you xD

I'm too lazy to quote ;p

Referring to me, then?

Well I said wtf to you, then the rest for nook.


xD

 

[Josh]

Anyway, I don't see the problem of public school. I mean I've never been home schooled or been to private school in my life and well I have good knowledge and have had no bull*censored.2.0* with any of my classmates/schoolmates.

 

[Lisathegreat!]

Yeah, Josh. You still learn and make friends there.

But, sometimes, you hardly learn and the people there are messed up.