Healthcare Bill Discussion

[Khocol4te]

Sweden has free health care and it's fine.

 

[Sporge27]

I'm a bleeding heart. I know some people are worried about people slacking and getting stuff for free. Most of the time it isn't like that though. Do you think people like being poor and don't try to make money? Fact is some people don't know how to and we try to put in programs to help those people learn. Much larger portion though is the group of people who know how to perform a job, but either cant get one because of where they live, or can't get it because of how they have to dress, or can't get it due to needing to take care of someone at home, or any number of things. Will some people abuse the system? Yes, but most won't and it is for those people I think this is important.

Health is one thing that just makes people poorer by no real fault of their own most of the time. Its not fair to claim that someone struggling to pay the rent AND pay the bills for their sick and old father in the hospital doesn't deserve the same treatment as someone not struggling to pay it. Most people who are poor are because of what they were born into, not because of a lack of work ethic.

 

[Rawburt]

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So free health care isn't worth it? Everyone who can't pay should just suck a rooster and go die?

And I didn't say that it is already helping, but it will help.

Did I say that? No. I said people who need to go to "mommy" government should go. But it shouldn't be forced on everyone.

You shouldn't insult people that can't pay for medical expenses, that's pretty low. =/

Ow the he'll did I do that? I was doing the quotes because it was a title and reference from an earlier post I made. It was that the government is like a parent to them. It helps them learn to walk. And from there, they run and go out on their own.

At k: hospital bills aren't as expensive as a new house. Besides, I have my own insurance for now.

The way you said made it seem like you were saying that people that can't afford it can't take care of themselves and have to "run to mommy". Which is not true, not everyone in the country has the luxury to afford everything they need or to have insurance.

Also saying that medical bills are less expensive than houses is not really a good comparison, houses are really expensive.

 

[Bacon Boy]

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Did I say that? No. I said people who need to go to "mommy" government should go. But it shouldn't be forced on everyone.

You shouldn't insult people that can't pay for medical expenses, that's pretty low. =/

Ow the he'll did I do that? I was doing the quotes because it was a title and reference from an earlier post I made. It was that the government is like a parent to them. It helps them learn to walk. And from there, they run and go out on their own.

At k: hospital bills aren't as expensive as a new house. Besides, I have my own insurance for now.

Your parents aren't an insurance.

I don't use my parents for innsurance. I have to do something called work which gives me money to pay for food and pay taxes and gass money. My parents only chip in with my insurance. Nice personal attack there. Next time try and say somethinfg intelligent before you go guessing.

Sporge: As is, the bill affects everyone's insurance. I don't know what they're doing about revisions though...

 

[Bacon Boy]

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Did I say that? No. I said people who need to go to "mommy" government should go. But it shouldn't be forced on everyone.

You shouldn't insult people that can't pay for medical expenses, that's pretty low. =/

Ow the he'll did I do that? I was doing the quotes because it was a title and reference from an earlier post I made. It was that the government is like a parent to them. It helps them learn to walk. And from there, they run and go out on their own.

At k: hospital bills aren't as expensive as a new house. Besides, I have my own insurance for now.

The way you said made it seem like you were saying that people that can't afford it can't take care of themselves and have to "run to mommy". Which is not true, not everyone in the country has the luxury to afford everything they need or to have insurance.

Also saying that medical bills are less expensive than houses is not really a good comparison, houses are really expensive.

I know. That's why I said medical bills are less expensive because k said that if I can't move, then I would have a hard time paying hospital bills. Not my comparison.

Are you even listening? I'm saying those that need government help or parent help in my analogy should get it. If they can't do something, then help them.

 

[Khocol4te]

What is the average cost for a hospital bill?
The average price is $1,300, but this depends on many things, such as factors like if you have insurance or not, whether we're talking Emergency Room fees, surgery, so on and so forth. But generally, hospital bills are never cheap/affordable unless you live in a country that has free healthcare.

Not everyone in the country makes $1000. Why should you pay $1000, why not pay it in taxes in your earlier years?

 

[Sporge27]

Actually one good thing from making it universal is less paperwork, I was not looking forward to having to get it for myself....

 

[Rawburt]

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You shouldn't insult people that can't pay for medical expenses, that's pretty low. =/

Ow the he'll did I do that? I was doing the quotes because it was a title and reference from an earlier post I made. It was that the government is like a parent to them. It helps them learn to walk. And from there, they run and go out on their own.

At k: hospital bills aren't as expensive as a new house. Besides, I have my own insurance for now.

The way you said made it seem like you were saying that people that can't afford it can't take care of themselves and have to "run to mommy". Which is not true, not everyone in the country has the luxury to afford everything they need or to have insurance.

Also saying that medical bills are less expensive than houses is not really a good comparison, houses are really expensive.

I know. That's why I said medical bills are less expensive because k said that if I can't move, then I would have a hard time paying hospital bills. Not my comparison.

Are you even listening? I'm saying those that need government help or parent help in my analogy should get it. If they can't do something, then help them.

Of course I'm listening, but you seem to not understand that the universal health care is a group effort. It cannot exist without everyone chipping in.

 

[Bacon Boy]

What is the average cost for a hospital bill?
The average price is $1,300, but this depends on many things, such as factors like if you have insurance or not, whether we're talking Emergency Room fees, surgery, so on and so forth. But generally, hospital bills are never cheap/affordable unless you live in a country that has free healthcare.

Not everyone in the country makes $1000. Why should you pay $1000, why not pay it in taxes in your earlier years?

Because

(a. So far, the way the government has handled our money, frankly, SUCKS.

(b. How would I know it would go to me? It might go to someone else that might not need it.

(c. When I give money to the poor or those who need it, I give it to them directly. I don't need someone else holding onto it. They may never give it to the poor.

 

[Khocol4te]

What is the average cost for a hospital bill?
The average price is $1,300, but this depends on many things, such as factors like if you have insurance or not, whether we're talking Emergency Room fees, surgery, so on and so forth. But generally, hospital bills are never cheap/affordable unless you live in a country that has free healthcare.

Not everyone in the country makes $1000. Why should you pay $1000, why not pay it in taxes in your earlier years?

Because

(a. So far, the way the government has handled our money, frankly, SUCKS.

(b. How would I know it would go to me? It might go to someone else that might not need it.

(c. When I give money to the poor or those who need it, I give it to them directly. I don't need someone else holding onto it. They may never give it to the poor.

(a. No comment.

(b. It goes to everyone, and trust me, some day you WILL need it.

(c. It goes to everyone, thus you are giving it to the poor also. And it does go to the poor, as it goes to everyone.

AND EVERYONES MONEY GOES TO YOU.

 

[Bacon Boy]

What is the average cost for a hospital bill?
The average price is $1,300, but this depends on many things, such as factors like if you have insurance or not, whether we're talking Emergency Room fees, surgery, so on and so forth. But generally, hospital bills are never cheap/affordable unless you live in a country that has free healthcare.

Not everyone in the country makes $1000. Why should you pay $1000, why not pay it in taxes in your earlier years?

Because

(a. So far, the way the government has handled our money, frankly, SUCKS.

(b. How would I know it would go to me? It might go to someone else that might not need it.

(c. When I give money to the poor or those who need it, I give it to them directly. I don't need someone else holding onto it. They may never give it to the poor.

(a. No comment.

(b. It goes to everyone, and trust me, some day you WILL need it.

(c. It goes to everyone, thus you are giving it to the poor also. And it does go to the poor, as it goes to everyone.

AND EVERYONES MONEY GOES TO YOU.

I would rather pay it up front. They're gonna tax me on it if I pay up front, but only once, maybe never if insurance covers it. Point being, if they want to helpthose that need it, help them. But out of their own pocket. They're so concerned about us giving to the poor, yet, we're really the only ones doing it. Their wallets are only getting fatter.

 

[Tyeforce]

You guys are all complaining about something that is helping the nation.
Cry more.

Quit stating your opinion as fact. How is it already helping? The "president" won't sign it until Tuesday. I don't think it will help.

Hell, it's a secret bill no one saw. We only got what they told us. It might just be a whole lie.

How isn't it helping?

And your little "president" in quotations just proves my point even more. XD

I have a right to my opinions. You're one to talk about such things, Tye.

And Mr. Obamasavior supposed to have done a lot by now. That's what he said he'd do. Still waiting.

And it isn't helping by not being put into official effect yet. It's just there.

There are opinions, and then there's just plain ignorance. Sure, Obama hasn't done as much as other presidents. He's not the greatest president, there's no arguing there. But he's far from the worst. Not doing much isn't worse than *censored.3.0*ing the country over, as some presidents have done. Unfortunately, bias gets the best of people and they see it otherwise. If Obama was Republican, all the conservatives would be praising him. You know it's true, don't deny it. Now, I'm not trying to bash any conservatives here, but it's plain as day that most conservatives are extremely biased and won't have anything to do with the "OMG LEFT-WINGED LIBERAL SOCIALIST" side of things. Fox News just proves this so well. I watch people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly and I laugh my ass of at how incredibly ignorant and one-sided, as well as incorrect (especially in Glenn Beck's case), they are. It's sad that so many people watch these programs on Fox News and take everything they hear as if it's the Word of God.

Anyway, my point is that a lot of conservatives just don't see the truth in things. They only see what they want to see. Now, I'm not saying that all conservatives are like that, nor am I saying that no liberals are like that either. I just tends to be a more conservative thing, probably because the views of most liberals are usually much more logical than conservatives, who's views are based more heavily on Religion (which isn't a bad thing at all, except when it's distorted, skewed, and fed to the masses like what Fox News does), even if it goes against logic (which most of the time it won't, unless it's distorted as I said). Now, I myself am not Republican or Democratic. I'm Independent, and I think everyone should be. We shouldn't need parties to tell us what we believe. Anyway, although I'm not a Democrat, I usually agree with their views (not all the time, though), because they're typically the more logical side of things.

Okay, I think I've gone off on a tangent... I don't even know what subject I'm talking about anymore. XD And I have a feeling that I completely missed what I was trying to say in the first place... Whatever. XD

 

[Tyeforce]

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I'm sure there is somewhere. XD

So, this is just going by your observations?

Wait, I'm confused now. Which post of mine were you referring to? lol

You said "I'm sure there is somewhere" in response to "Is there a study?" so I thought you meant you've never seen or heard anything backing up there being more negative people in America than other nations.

It's not a big deal though, I just thought it'd make for an interesting read.

I didn't think you were being serious, lol. I'm so confused here. XD

 

[Khocol4te]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1135582/Man-pulls-13-teeth-pliers-NHS-dentist.html

This man couldn't find a dentist who would take him in, because he wasn't able to afford it.
Do you want to be this man?

 

[Tyeforce]

What is the average cost for a hospital bill?
The average price is $1,300, but this depends on many things, such as factors like if you have insurance or not, whether we're talking Emergency Room fees, surgery, so on and so forth. But generally, hospital bills are never cheap/affordable unless you live in a country that has free healthcare.

Not everyone in the country makes $1000. Why should you pay $1000, why not pay it in taxes in your earlier years?

Because

(a. So far, the way the government has handled our money, frankly, SUCKS.

(b. How would I know it would go to me? It might go to someone else that might not need it.

(c. When I give money to the poor or those who need it, I give it to them directly. I don't need someone else holding onto it. They may never give it to the poor.

(a. No comment.

(b. It goes to everyone, and trust me, some day you WILL need it.

(c. It goes to everyone, thus you are giving it to the poor also. And it does go to the poor, as it goes to everyone.

AND EVERYONES MONEY GOES TO YOU.

I would rather pay it up front. They're gonna tax me on it if I pay up front, but only once, maybe never if insurance covers it. Point being, if they want to helpthose that need it, help them. But out of their own pocket. They're so concerned about us giving to the poor, yet, we're really the only ones doing it. Their wallets are only getting fatter.

Haha. You think the American government actually could give people money out of their own pockets?! Here's a little secret for you; THEY HAVE NO MONEY OF THEIR OWN! It's all borrowed money from China! THAT'S why taxing is necessary. Our government just doesn't have money, period. Yes, it's their fault for getting in that position to begin with, but you can't expect them to just magically become debt-free. It doesn't work like that. What, do you want them to print even MORE money, making our currency worth even LESS than it already is?!

 

[Rawburt]

You guys are all complaining about something that is helping the nation.
Cry more.

Quit stating your opinion as fact. How is it already helping? The "president" won't sign it until Tuesday. I don't think it will help.

Hell, it's a secret bill no one saw. We only got what they told us. It might just be a whole lie.

How isn't it helping?

And your little "president" in quotations just proves my point even more. XD

I have a right to my opinions. You're one to talk about such things, Tye.

And Mr. Obamasavior supposed to have done a lot by now. That's what he said he'd do. Still waiting.

And it isn't helping by not being put into official effect yet. It's just there.

There are opinions, and then there's just plain ignorance. Sure, Obama hasn't done as much as other presidents. He's not the greatest president, there's no arguing there. But he's far from the worst. Not doing much isn't worse than *censored.3.0*ing the country over, as some presidents have done. Unfortunately, bias gets the best of people and they see it otherwise. If Obama was Republican, all the conservatives would be praising him. You know it's true, don't deny it. Now, I'm not trying to bash any conservatives here, but it's plain as day that most conservatives are extremely biased and won't have anything to do with the "OMG LEFT-WINGED LIBERAL SOCIALIST" side of things. Fox News just proves this so well. I watch people like Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly and I laugh my ass of at how incredibly ignorant and one-sided, as well as incorrect (especially in Glenn Beck's case), they are. It's sad that so many people watch these programs on Fox News and take everything they hear as if it's the Word of God.

Anyway, my point is that a lot of conservatives just don't see the truth in things. They only see what they want to see. Now, I'm not saying that all conservatives are like that, nor am I saying that no liberals are like that either. I just tends to be a more conservative thing, probably because the views of most liberals are usually much more logical than conservatives, who's views are based more heavily on Religion (which isn't a bad thing at all, except when it's distorted, skewed, and fed to the masses like what Fox News does), even if it goes against logic (which most of the time it won't, unless it's distorted as I said). Now, I myself am not Republican or Democratic. I'm Independent, and I think everyone should be. We shouldn't need parties to tell us what we believe. Anyway, although I'm not a Democrat, I usually agree with their views (not all the time, though), because they're typically the more logical side of things.

Okay, I think I've gone off on a tangent... I don't even know what subject I'm talking about anymore. XD And I have a feeling that I completely missed what I was trying to say in the first place... Whatever. XD

I think that's a good point, a lot of people focus too much with siding with a party than actually taking time to actually look at an issue from both sides.

 

[Bacon Boy]

I wholeheartedly agree with you Tye, but regardless of Obama's party, I'd still dislike him and his ideas. I'm independent as well. And Fow Mews is okay sometimes. I don't watch Beck or O'Riley because, frankly, they annoy the hell out of me. I watch it for news. But wherever you go, there's going to some bias. CNN, MSNBC, etc.

And Obama's not killing the country. This country went to the dogs during Bush's second term. Obama's just beating the dead horse and stabbing it.

 

[Bacon Boy]

I wholeheartedly agree with you Tye, but regardless of Obama's party, I'd still dislike him and his ideas. I'm independent as well. And Fow Mews is okay sometimes. I don't watch Beck or O'Riley because, frankly, they annoy the hell out of me. I watch it for news. But wherever you go, there's going to some bias. CNN, MSNBC, etc.

And Obama's not killing the country. This country went to the dogs during Bush's second term. Obama's just beating the dead horse and stabbing it.

 

[Khocol4te]

The government is by the people for the people.
You pay taxes to help your country's people.
The taxes you pay only fund certain things, and in this case, it will be funding doctors and hospitals for you.

 

[Bacon Boy]

And about the money thing. They do have money. How do you think they afford those houses. They have really expensive ones. The country is broke, si. But our government? Not so much. And taxing won't help much. If our dollar is losing value (inflation) then we're not helping too much anyways.