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It's Christmas Eve. It's fine.

Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means "the birthday of the unconquered sun".

Modern scholars have argued that the festival was placed on the date of the solstice because this was on this day that the Sun reversed its southward retreat and proved itself to be "unconquered".[citation needed] Some early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus.[8]"O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born...Christ should be born", Cyprian wrote.[8] John Chrysostom also commented on the connection: "They call it the 'Birthday of the Unconquered'. Who indeed is so unconquered as Our Lord . . .?"[8]

Although Dies Natalis Solis Invicti has been the subject of a great deal of scholarly speculation,.[citation needed] the only ancient source for it is a single mention in the Chronography of 354, and modern Sol scholar Steven Hijmans argues that there is no evidence that the celebration precedes that of Christmas:[21] "[W]hile the winter solstice on or around the 25th of December was well established in the Roman imperial calendar, there is no evidence that a religious celebration of Sol on that day antedated the celebration of Christmas, and none that indicates that Aurelian had a hand in its institution."[21]

~Wikipedia

I'm sure all of you know the story, Christian or not, it's not uncommon. On this night, we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

I wish you all the Merriest of Christmases! Don't forget that the greatest presents aren't the ones wrapped in wrapping paper. They may be sleeping next you, or in the next room over. Regardless, stay warm (or cold, depending on the temperature) with your loved ones, and if you want to, remember the birth of Jesus Christ.

Again, the merriest of Christmases. :wintergyroid:
 
strikingmatches said:
Uhh..
Wasn't Jesus actually born in June/July or something?
The spring equinox. The calendar during that time was very different than it is now. It's not possible to accurately pinpoint the actual day. However, it was either in June or July or in December. From what I read a while back, Christmas was joined with the celebration of the birth of Christ by Constantine. The scholars of that time probably figured that it was sometime around the winter festivals.
 
strikingmatches said:
Uhh..
Wasn't Jesus actually born in June/July or something?
We don't know the birthdates of my dogs so we give them moar toys for their birthdays on days we made up.

Anyway, bump because more people celebrate Christmas than Pally's birthday. :santagyroid:

But Happy Birthday to Pally anyway. :P
 
Jeremy said:
strikingmatches said:
Uhh..
Wasn't Jesus actually born in June/July or something?
We don't know the birthdates of my dogs so we give them moar toys for their birthdays on days we made up.

Anyway, bump because more people celebrate Christmas than Pally's birthday. :santagyroid:

But Happy Birthday to Pally anyway. :P
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Well, it's really unknown when the date was, but I think it was probably somewhere around March or April, as that's when a lot of shepherds were out late at night, and I think according to the story there were shepherds when Jesus was born. The Catholic church allegedly picked the celebration of Christmas to be on Dec. 25th, so it would interfere with all of the pagan celebrations on that day, and hopefully convert them.
 
moonlight33 said:
Well, it's really unknown when the date was, but I think it was probably somewhere around March or April, as that's when a lot of shepherds were out late at night, and I think according to the story there were shepherds when Jesus was born. The Catholic church allegedly picked the celebration of Christmas to be on Dec. 25th, so it would interfere with all of the pagan celebrations on that day, and hopefully convert them.
Don't think it was the Catholics and it wasn't really about conversion. Like I said, it was Constantine (I'm sure most of you know the story about how he was converted) who wanted Christmas to coincide with the winter festivals so that they would not be as pagan as they were.
 
Bacon Boy said:
moonlight33 said:
Well, it's really unknown when the date was, but I think it was probably somewhere around March or April, as that's when a lot of shepherds were out late at night, and I think according to the story there were shepherds when Jesus was born. The Catholic church allegedly picked the celebration of Christmas to be on Dec. 25th, so it would interfere with all of the pagan celebrations on that day, and hopefully convert them.
Don't think it was the Catholics and it wasn't really about conversion. Like I said, it was Constantine (I'm sure most of you know the story about how he was converted) who wanted Christmas to coincide with the winter festivals so that they would not be as pagan as they were.
Oh, ok. That's what it was about then. I knew they put it on Dec. 25th for something about pagan holidays. By the way, it was technically Catholic, because that's all Christianity was until about 1550.
 
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