Mafia DA:I Mafia

[Damniel]

Pretty sure she's asking why Daniel though.

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btw I'm heading off to bed guys

Good night.

 

[Trojan]

So what do you want from me again?

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I thought I just told you i wanted Daniel

 

[PandaDarling]

cause you find him most sus ?

 

[Geoni]

ISOing Enderwiggin's campaign against Trojan, as an archive to show what evidence he's put forth behind his campaign and why I think it's suspect.

Spoiler

As this says. Rune bandwagoning early is not alignment tell.

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On that note, Trojan is scummy anyhow, so that's not even a bad vote.

BUT

@Rune

Why did you choose Trojan to annoy, specifically? Just because he's your friend? Why then not your other friend you've got to join?

What I was talking about, this is his first post of substance and he's already eyed Trojan as a suspect, didn't go into too much detail about it yet, will in some of his following posts.

I'm still set on Trojan for most suspicious but it's not a strong read.

The second time he mentions suspecting Trojan. No reasoning is provided yet, still. AhPo asked him for some in the very next post. Being an experienced player, I don't understand why he'd continue to just say 'I think Trojan is scummy' but leaving it at that, providing no reasoning. I might have suspected reaction testing was going on here.

Pre-empts day-start, is wishy washy while trying to get others to talk.

Lack of commitment.

Mafia often have the need to say things. So they'll often talk very shortly after the day starts if they're around. Not a reliable read but it's a good way to start discussion going.

And the rest of the posts I hope I don't have to spell out why they're meh.

He provides his reasons for suspecting Trojan. Some context: it was more or less Trojan and Daniel acting the same way and being against me when this posting was happening. I asked them who they suspected out of those who posted so far and they both said me because I was being questioning too fast. Trojan acts very intimidated by me during this time. Daniel and I have more conversation, and I criticize him about his hesitance because he'd rather wait for more people to post to provide his reads while also choosing me as his answer because I was asking questions too early. So all the reasons Enderwiggin gave for suspecting Trojan here very much also applied to Daniel. I can say with certainty that those reasons applied to Daniel more than Trojan. So, Enderwiggin isn't really acknowledging Daniel yet.

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I could see a Daniel scum tbh.

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Would be funny if it's a Daniel/Trojan team

I was very much grilling Daniel by this point, but it wasn't until after I did that he started acknowledging Daniel. Does say he is suspicious of Daniel here as well, although doesn't provide reasons for why he agrees with people suspecting Daniel yet. Which I would have also thought he'd do as an experienced player.

Me being suspicious of you all game?

Trojan asks, "Since when was I suspected of anything?" and this is the response to that. Just him clarifying he's sus of him.

I mean. I'm going against all my previous games on this site which include scum and town, so take that as you will.

Also pretty good feeling about the Trojan lynch, tbh.

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Also really stressed out so I'm finding it harder to just read over things.

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Stress being linked to IRL rather than anything else.

Repeats suspecting Trojan but doesn't provide new reads yet. Doesn't talk about Daniel despite 'seeing he could be maf as well' a few posts back. IRL stress, maybe that's why he's not providing decent reads I'd expect him to provide given how he's played before as town.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?326052-DA-I-Mafia&p=5797061&viewfull=1#post5797061

The above is his next post. Very difficult to quote coherently so please just read it. In the post he is first responding to people asking him why he's sus of Trojan and he's like 'yo, provided my reasons already'. Then he quoted Sarasa's points against Trojan and left it at 'these', saying she said all he would have said when it came to new reads on Trojan. Quoting that here:

Alright, just got back on my computer. I'll look through Panda's posts after this:

@Trojan I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm suspicious of you for:
1) You were kinda hypocritical when you just blatantly asked for suspicions, without offering any of your own
2) The Dad vote. You still haven't clarified why scumhunting is suspicious, and I think you ought to explain that before saying that your vote is justified.
3) *NEW* You're piggybacking off of Daniel like hell. Unless you have a damn good reason why Pusheen and Rune are town, then both your biggest suspicion and your two biggest town reads mirror his. You were the one who replied second both times, and since you both sharing suspicions seems so unlikely, that makes me think you're trying to blend in.

I think you ought to give your own reads. Who's suspicious, who isn't. And no piggybacking - I want to hear your actual opinion without you clutching onto Daniel like a lifeline.

Following him quoting that, he's asking LaBelle for thoughts on Trojan and also ending the post with this:

TBH I can't fault the Daniel suspicion

But at the same time, there is a lot of pressure on it? Idk, I no logical reason to dismiss it, tbh.

Yet again he acknowledges the Daniel suspicion and how there's a lot of pressure on it, and how there's no logical reason to dismiss this pressure. But what has he done since? Dismissed it. And he asks me why I think he might be protecting Daniel, smh. It's because he's not putting forth any reads on him as well as what turned out to be the correct interpretation of his self-voting.

Unashamedly



Sarasa said all the new things well, no need to repeat her.

Also, I think I already proved last game that my scumgame isn't different from my towngame in approach normally? I mean, if anything, me being really weird should be a towntell.

He's admitting he's tunneling Trojan to me in that first line. Doesn't want to repeat Sarasa, which is why he quoted her and left the reads as that. And 'you being really weird should be a towntell ' ...huh?

Eh? Most of my comments about my own meta are in response to "Ender is acting odd"

I mean, I am acting odd, but.

Response to Sarasa asking why he's talking about meta so much and not giving attention to Daniel.

Err, somehow I only read half that message whoops.

Also, I never said don't look into Daniel? Like, where do you get that from?

I even put it out there that I thought Daniel was scummy/meh too.

The only things are that a. I think Trojan is more scummy. And b. For some reason the wagon on him leaves an odd taste in my mouth. I'm all for looking into Daniel tho.

Probably getting that from you never providing your reads on Daniel yet agreeing with suspicions on him, yet focusing on Trojan and thus shrugging Daniel off essentially. That might be why. 'Meh' here is a sign of being hesitant to provide reads imo.

Also this ISOing is exhausting but he doesn't provide reads since this post. I might continue it later, but I think it's important to get this ISOing out there because there's not much time left...

This is who is leading town right now, and could very well be leading towards a mislynch, so he hella merits reads and analysis.

 

[Trojan]

cause you find him most sus ?

Why would I kill him?
He's been pointing fingers with no reason since the start of the game.
His reads were strange marking oath to order town after like 4 posts (just to name one thing)
He failed ahpos test

That's should be enough considering you guys only have 1 point on me.....
The fact that I voted for Daniel

This is why I would shoot him if I had the chance (which I won't cause you guys are going to kill me)

 

[Geoni]

I wouldn't be surprised about either a EnderWiggin/Rune or EnderWiggin/Daniel team. Also, laying off LaBelle a little, though she still deserves watching. WHY CAN'T YOU HAVE SCUM META TO LOOK AT YET FLEUR?

 

[N e s s]

@trojan
The only person he pointed fingers at for no reason is tom, which really doesn't matter now anyway.

 

[PandaDarling]

wha would you have us do Dad ? Vote Ender tonight or what?

 

[Geoni]

Anyways, if there's time, I'd encourage you guys to check out my ISO as to why I think EnderWiggin merits a lynch.

 

[Trojan]

@trojan
The only person he pointed fingers at for no reason is tom, which really doesn't matter now anyway.

And dad

 

[Geoni]

I might be remembering incorrectly, but I recall him saying he can lead a town to doom as mafia with ease in a past game, and that could very well be what he's doing here because nobody is willing to check him.

 

[N e s s]

I know it's off topic but what does iso mean?
Also what do you mean by merits a lynch?

 

[Trojan]

I might be remembering incorrectly, but I recall him saying he can lead a town to doom as mafia with ease in a past game, and that could very well be what he's doing here because nobody is willing to check him.

Are you like an IRL detective :O

Or maybe I'm even worse then I thought at this game :/

 

[N e s s]

Are you like an IRL detective :O

Or maybe I'm even worse then I thought at this game :/

Oh? What do you mean by that?

 

[Trojan]

Oh? What do you mean by that?

The whole time, even with accusations flying at him he remains calm and drills down into people. I admire that as something I can't do. Even though I'm innocent I crack when accusations come at me.....

 

[PandaDarling]

he nearly led town to doom last game cause no one would look at him, all the while i had my suspicions about him... he's sneaky for sure. ha

 

[Geoni]

I know it's off topic but what does iso mean?
Also what do you mean by merits a lynch?

ISO is a post that isolates all of a person's posts and gives thoughts below the posts. And I think EnderWiggin merits a lynch because of him tunneling an easy target that had the same behavior as another player, yet continually shirking providing his thoughts on said player (Daniel). He's said he's had a great deal of games under his belt so I can't help but suspect possible alignment/ploy to mislynch. He also has said some odd things about his meta, responded to me oddly defensively when I argued about Daniel's self voting (he was right in this argument but it's the defensiveness that doesn't sit well with me). He had been asked many times to provide thoughts on Daniel and keeps saying he's not as sus as trojan while not providing new reads on Trojan since he used Sarasa's quote but he's been asked to provide these thoughts many times - I feel some hesitance in that 'meh'. What harm is there with also providing your thoughts on Daniel or why you agree/disagree with certain things? None.

I mean I wanted Daniel lynched because I thought it might reveal some things about Ender (provide info) I was suspecting should he flip mafia, but now I think it might be more beneficial for it to be the other way around, because EnderWiggin is much more dangerous.

 

[Trojan]

Dads post has secured me with ender as a vote. His evidence is hard to counter.

However this doesn't mean that I think that dad is confirmed town, it's just I think he's got this right.

 

[PandaDarling]

its awfully convincing Dad

 

[Geoni]

The whole time, even with accusations flying at him he remains calm and drills down into people. I admire that as something I can't do. Even though I'm innocent I crack when accusations come at me.....

Probably just me being so desensitized to accusations lol. There was a time where I was mafia/third party like five times in a row, I was like the new Tom of tbt, always scum.