Another long post incoming. Sorry about it. But hey, I did this instead of getting ahead on my Criminology classwork (ironic).
'Hey I've posted some stuff, given you things to read into, but since I'm inactive they shouldn't be read into!'
'Also, Endless went after Tom, Endless flipped scum, but I still want to lynch him without stating valid reasons'
I still can't sniff out Ashtot's alignment, but at this point I'm sure he's truly inattentive and just posting to seem active/not be modkilled. That could be done by both sides, but of course as mafia you don't want your numbers to be reduced so there's more initiative. That being said, there's no hard work here, so I have that considered.
I feel like it depends on whether or not they can roleblock the same person twice in a row - if so, they'll probably roleblock Ender again and kill me because I've been so vocal and I've proven that even Endless can't make me doubt myself, or just try and kill Ender and/or Sarasa/me. That, or do something completely different because these deaths are the expected ones - the other option is to continue promoting confusion and hoping we mislynch by killing off somebody random.
Any thoughts on those few others (especially Ashtot)? I think it's funny LaBelle said the exact same thing you did at Rune but it was ten minutes apart so it's a possible ninja, although it's just one sentence. I do tab out and do the same thing sometimes because I forget to post my little thought. Also, it seems that at the moment LaBelle has her eyes set on Runeraider if that wasn't a ninja, which makes me curious because they townread them not long ago. Also, if LaBelle is on the same team as Forek, it's noteworthy that they felt 'neutral' towards him but did call him out on a few select things, and wanted a response from him.
That being said, I townread Rune not long ago as well but am beginning to hold my breath again - I still think Endless wasn't protecting him but rather townreading him for the obvious, but I could be wrong. So it seems LaBelle and I feel very similarly about Rune at the moment. Also, if LaBelle is on the same team as Endless that meant she bussed him with the boldness of calling him out on backpeddling and repeating but putting it into her own words that Endless was scummy for refusing to discuss any kills. So from all of this, given my current guess as to Forek being scum as well, I can't really bring myself to scumread LaBelle at the moment. If she's successfully tricked me into townreading her, new information about her might be the only way to catch her.
Mind you, nobody in this game is 100% confirmed, and anyone on this list could still be scum.
Townreads
SarasaKat: they (she?) were shot, Endless shooting Sarasa still makes sense to me because they don't seem like somebody Endless can make doubt themselves easily, but mafia might have one kill per night (it's been done in mini mafia before) and it was used to insure Sarasa and also meant Sarasa had to bus Endless which would be a bad move honestly. I highly doubt this would even be the case, therefore they're one of my strongest townreads.
Enderwiggin: I had some uneasy feelings about Endless regarding the kills that made me think Endless could have been responsible, and when Ender came in and said that not only was I right about at least him knowing Endless, but he was actually blocked as well so the meta took a different turn here and I was right in using that meta to suspect the block was Endless' choice. Ender further pointed out a lot of Endless' scummy behavior but seemed to succumb to Endless' ability to make people doubt themselves - I was kind of disappointed in that because that ISO work confirmed my thoughts that Ender was both an experienced, skilled, and thoughtful player, so if even I was able to not succumb to that but he was, him succumbing so easily made my head tilt. That being said, they also developed the same reads on Forek I did, and have boldly claimed PR (in retrospect - whhhy?!), so they're like my second strongest townread and it's a very strong one.
Blu Rose: another strong town read. With the few posts they've posted, they've been very ranty and emotional about their irl problems in the thread and I can see the authenticity of that in the disjointedness of their post - as a result of that they seemed to focus and still be a little focused on ranting about Dolby's lynch and used that as a reason to vote Endless - which wasn't my primary reason so it makes me feel that their reads are authentically unique. Also, hope you get to feeling better about stuff Blu, take lots of deep breaths and remember that anyone can troop through tough times.
Crys: is my fourth strongest townread - he was the first to go after Endless and suspect him even though it was on something that at the time seemed to overt for someone like Endless: he didn't learn his meta and was repeating himself with the use of RQS to get things started and get reactions to use - but I think I was right about Endless' reverse psychology here so for Crys to just completely even ignore Endless' capability of reverse psyching, I can't help but feel there's no way he has been bussing his partner all this time. That, and the fact that even though he's repeated some things people have said, he's consistently pointed out people's poor logic whenever it's used, very fast I might add. Furthermore they've been the subject of a lot of what seems like becoming a potential victim of an easy bus.
Other people I can't completely townread, but successfully have made me unable to scumread them at this moment
LaBelleFleur: thoroughly explained above.
Runeraider: also explained my thoughts about him - just like LaBelle, I want to be veeeery observant of him and not underestimate him either.
Tom: speaking of people I don't want to underestimate - he's experienced enough to be able to act well, but if he is mafia that's what he's doing, he's acting well. Already explained why his emotions about Endless' lynch feel very authentic and that's why I can't scumread him - he did however immediately not see a reason to lynch Dolby and kinda townread him in a sense, but that's me not giving Tom enough credit not to see past bs probably. So with all this considered, maybe I should put him in the townreads list but you never knooow. Very similar to my townread on Crys though.
Null Read
Feloreena: This goes without saying - so inactive and likely busy that they're modkill prone. Feloreena, if it's partially just having too much to read at this point/catch up to, ain't nothin wrong with asking someone like Sarasa, me, or Ender to summarize things for you so you can get to posting/developing reads.
Weaker scum read
Ashtot: for the things I've called him out for, Endless not really giving him too much attention and Forek not being able to fully develop a strong read on him 'because his claim seems believable' which I feel the same way about, but upon seeing Endless flip, I know that they know about the shadowrun wiki and how they can use it to fabricate a roleclaim, or that they were just plain old given a safeclaim (probably nah). Still goes after Tom, seemed uneasy all game, and are utilizing some probably legit busy irl excuses (moving is stressful).
Strong Scum Read
Forek: as in I feel like 55-65% sure about him being scum, already provided many reasons as to why I think he's Endless' partner but I admit these reasons are sort of scattered among all my posts and I need to make a collective post about him, but I'll do that on day 3. If not, RIP me.
Conclusion
My scum team suspicion at the moment is one of three possibilities, from most to least likely:
Endless/Forek/Ashtot
Endless/Forek/one listed in my 'can't scumread' part of the list who has successfully made me doubt them (even less likely: they were on my townread list)
Endless/Forek/Feloreena (because idek anything about Feloreena this game)
Endless/combination of any of the above (I was wrong about both Forek and/or Ashtot)
'Hey I've posted some stuff, given you things to read into, but since I'm inactive they shouldn't be read into!'
'Also, Endless went after Tom, Endless flipped scum, but I still want to lynch him without stating valid reasons'
I still can't sniff out Ashtot's alignment, but at this point I'm sure he's truly inattentive and just posting to seem active/not be modkilled. That could be done by both sides, but of course as mafia you don't want your numbers to be reduced so there's more initiative. That being said, there's no hard work here, so I have that considered.
I feel like it depends on whether or not they can roleblock the same person twice in a row - if so, they'll probably roleblock Ender again and kill me because I've been so vocal and I've proven that even Endless can't make me doubt myself, or just try and kill Ender and/or Sarasa/me. That, or do something completely different because these deaths are the expected ones - the other option is to continue promoting confusion and hoping we mislynch by killing off somebody random.
Any thoughts on those few others (especially Ashtot)? I think it's funny LaBelle said the exact same thing you did at Rune but it was ten minutes apart so it's a possible ninja, although it's just one sentence. I do tab out and do the same thing sometimes because I forget to post my little thought. Also, it seems that at the moment LaBelle has her eyes set on Runeraider if that wasn't a ninja, which makes me curious because they townread them not long ago. Also, if LaBelle is on the same team as Forek, it's noteworthy that they felt 'neutral' towards him but did call him out on a few select things, and wanted a response from him.
That being said, I townread Rune not long ago as well but am beginning to hold my breath again - I still think Endless wasn't protecting him but rather townreading him for the obvious, but I could be wrong. So it seems LaBelle and I feel very similarly about Rune at the moment. Also, if LaBelle is on the same team as Endless that meant she bussed him with the boldness of calling him out on backpeddling and repeating but putting it into her own words that Endless was scummy for refusing to discuss any kills. So from all of this, given my current guess as to Forek being scum as well, I can't really bring myself to scumread LaBelle at the moment. If she's successfully tricked me into townreading her, new information about her might be the only way to catch her.
Mind you, nobody in this game is 100% confirmed, and anyone on this list could still be scum.
Onto Ye Ole List Post
Townreads
SarasaKat: they (she?) were shot, Endless shooting Sarasa still makes sense to me because they don't seem like somebody Endless can make doubt themselves easily, but mafia might have one kill per night (it's been done in mini mafia before) and it was used to insure Sarasa and also meant Sarasa had to bus Endless which would be a bad move honestly. I highly doubt this would even be the case, therefore they're one of my strongest townreads.
Enderwiggin: I had some uneasy feelings about Endless regarding the kills that made me think Endless could have been responsible, and when Ender came in and said that not only was I right about at least him knowing Endless, but he was actually blocked as well so the meta took a different turn here and I was right in using that meta to suspect the block was Endless' choice. Ender further pointed out a lot of Endless' scummy behavior but seemed to succumb to Endless' ability to make people doubt themselves - I was kind of disappointed in that because that ISO work confirmed my thoughts that Ender was both an experienced, skilled, and thoughtful player, so if even I was able to not succumb to that but he was, him succumbing so easily made my head tilt. That being said, they also developed the same reads on Forek I did, and have boldly claimed PR (in retrospect - whhhy?!), so they're like my second strongest townread and it's a very strong one.
Blu Rose: another strong town read. With the few posts they've posted, they've been very ranty and emotional about their irl problems in the thread and I can see the authenticity of that in the disjointedness of their post - as a result of that they seemed to focus and still be a little focused on ranting about Dolby's lynch and used that as a reason to vote Endless - which wasn't my primary reason so it makes me feel that their reads are authentically unique. Also, hope you get to feeling better about stuff Blu, take lots of deep breaths and remember that anyone can troop through tough times.
Crys: is my fourth strongest townread - he was the first to go after Endless and suspect him even though it was on something that at the time seemed to overt for someone like Endless: he didn't learn his meta and was repeating himself with the use of RQS to get things started and get reactions to use - but I think I was right about Endless' reverse psychology here so for Crys to just completely even ignore Endless' capability of reverse psyching, I can't help but feel there's no way he has been bussing his partner all this time. That, and the fact that even though he's repeated some things people have said, he's consistently pointed out people's poor logic whenever it's used, very fast I might add. Furthermore they've been the subject of a lot of what seems like becoming a potential victim of an easy bus.
Other people I can't completely townread, but successfully have made me unable to scumread them at this moment
LaBelleFleur: thoroughly explained above.
Runeraider: also explained my thoughts about him - just like LaBelle, I want to be veeeery observant of him and not underestimate him either.
Tom: speaking of people I don't want to underestimate - he's experienced enough to be able to act well, but if he is mafia that's what he's doing, he's acting well. Already explained why his emotions about Endless' lynch feel very authentic and that's why I can't scumread him - he did however immediately not see a reason to lynch Dolby and kinda townread him in a sense, but that's me not giving Tom enough credit not to see past bs probably. So with all this considered, maybe I should put him in the townreads list but you never knooow. Very similar to my townread on Crys though.
Null Read
Feloreena: This goes without saying - so inactive and likely busy that they're modkill prone. Feloreena, if it's partially just having too much to read at this point/catch up to, ain't nothin wrong with asking someone like Sarasa, me, or Ender to summarize things for you so you can get to posting/developing reads.
Weaker scum read
Ashtot: for the things I've called him out for, Endless not really giving him too much attention and Forek not being able to fully develop a strong read on him 'because his claim seems believable' which I feel the same way about, but upon seeing Endless flip, I know that they know about the shadowrun wiki and how they can use it to fabricate a roleclaim, or that they were just plain old given a safeclaim (probably nah). Still goes after Tom, seemed uneasy all game, and are utilizing some probably legit busy irl excuses (moving is stressful).
Strong Scum Read
Forek: as in I feel like 55-65% sure about him being scum, already provided many reasons as to why I think he's Endless' partner but I admit these reasons are sort of scattered among all my posts and I need to make a collective post about him, but I'll do that on day 3. If not, RIP me.
Conclusion
My scum team suspicion at the moment is one of three possibilities, from most to least likely:
Endless/Forek/Ashtot
Endless/Forek/one listed in my 'can't scumread' part of the list who has successfully made me doubt them (even less likely: they were on my townread list)
Endless/Forek/Feloreena (because idek anything about Feloreena this game)
Endless/combination of any of the above (I was wrong about both Forek and/or Ashtot)
