JellofishXD
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I try to post but people just ignore it and if they don't they accuse me lynching or killing me would beneficial to scum and that's not what I want.
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Mafia TBT Mafia XV: The Siren's Call (Game Over/Mafia & Third Party Win!)
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You have barely posted and haven't even said anything that impacts the game.
You have barely posted and haven't even said anything that impacts the game.
In previous games I've played with you. Obviously.
What? The only gut feeling lynches I led resulted in scum dying.
Cory
Cory we know of his ?role? now has he been confirmed or is it still him, natty and trundle all claiming the same thing? Is it possible for them all to be the same thing? Also, win condition I think I missed it, do they win if both town and mafia lose? Or can they win either if so, we need to end them. If not I say leave them, if town can still win with them alive then why waste kills on them? (I don?t really understand the Thief situation so please correct me)
Also, the spelling situation? I doubt Tina would spell anything incorrectly, so I don?t think that?s a thing if ever was.
ryan88
So I made my case on him, after reading how head strong everyone is about him being the Town Roleblocker I am going to agree and drop any suspicions I had one him. I dislike how quick he was to role claim hence why I was so eager to make my case and suspect him, I also didn?t like how he was quick on the mark with Karla, read your role pm?s, if it?s not stated what your action blocks, you can?t be too quick to jump the gun.
Minties
Minties has been very pro town, posting to help and making posts that state exactly why she votes people as well as actively taking part in discussion despite being at work (I understand this), I have town reads from her.
Alice
Not posting as much but its not out of character, she tends to post her thoughts on people not giving a **** really, but she actually posts sensible ideas and adds her thoughts into discussions. I don?t really have a read on her personally. But she?s contributing.
Dolby
I said this last time in my previous post, Dolby is.. Dolby. I will quote it again as I still feel the same.
Dad
Dad has been contributing yes, calling me out for ridiculous reasons, I replied accordingly. Now, I recall Dad being dead set on Oath2Order and made a big case on him, then night 1 he died, this I feel is a frame, this is not to be forgotten. His activity is giving me town vibes, actively posting and contributing his every thought. I applaud this. I feel he is town aligned.
Karen
I don?t know her play style anymore, I know she?s usually more active than she is currently BUT she has been replying to posts calling her out, and we all know there?s been a few. Now, whether or not anyone still suspects her is beyond me but she has been contributing more than some.
JellofishXD
I just don?t understand how someone can defend themselves so poorly when I?ve seen their name mentioned various times. Terrible posts and no more than 2 a day, I?d accept two or so posts a day if they were actually insightful. Jello?s of which are not. They do not take part in active discussions and have pitifully defended themselves when called out, I will be keeping a close eye on them from now on.
KarlaKGB
So I made my first poke at Karla, now this was because he wasn?t as active and as head strong as he usually is, now this had me on edge, now as I stated I was willing to wait till he came online. He came online and I had 2 debates with him, both of us sharing our own thoughts, this is why I feel he is town, I don?t have any doubt about it. He is my strongest town read. I am 100% convinced he is town.
Sataric
I have already said reads on him previously. The Feloreena death never sat right with me. He has been taking part in discussion but as already stated, waffling on and padding his posts out and making them go on and on. Stop fluff posting and get straight to the point. Quality over quantity, it?s distracting from the main point of finding scum.
Ashtot
Ashtot is another I feel is town aligned, he is active in discussions and will defend himself. When I called him and Cory out for their jumping votes without just cause, he fought back, not very well mind you but at least he didn?t over look it.
Tom
I had thought on him, but he has become much more active and talkative about his thoughts. I don?t have a read on him at all. Not being active for the past 2 days I?d say was the cause, whilst I was active he was not. From reading his posts, hes contributed and questioned accordingly. Asking for counter claims on Trundle, Cory and Natty. This was a good call, I implore anyone who is a Thief to come out about it, if anyone of them is scum, this could break their cover.
Trundle
He obviously Claimed Thief and there was a situation between all 3 claiming. Usually Trundle is much more vocal, I don?t know if something is occupying him or what but I could believe his Thief claim.
Cariad
Making no effort what so ever, she only will reply do the occasional post calling her out. No active effort in discussions, no active effort in anything, barely posting. I don?t like this, she gives a full blown scum vibe to me, unless she?s claimed and I?ve missed it? Please tell me.
I made a little post on them, I said I?d wait till I had an opinion on her, my opinion is she either puts some effort in and stop hiding away behind invisible so she can lurk the thread without detection.
Yui-Z
Yui, Yui is very slippery, good at being deceitful. I will refer to frozen mafia, she is easy to slip by. She has been acting very clueless but will actively take part in discussions to some degree. She?s brought up her own suspicions on Jeremy, but I don?t think it had any grounds. She gives me a bad vibe and I don?t get town vibes from her. I don?t know if it?s because I?m on edge with her and unwilling to trust her but still, I just won?t trust her without reason.
alise
I am getting scum vibes, point blank, godfather if I was to be exact. Oath2order death for one;
She avoids peoples questions to her, then comes up with some lame excuse that she didn?t see it or something, I believe she?s done it, I recall seeing Jeremy talk about her in the previous game doing the same, I presumed she had done it in this game.
She made her little case with no grounds, and placed next to my name ?lauren [shes quiet, but this is more of a gut feeling, like with karen}? I?m sick, I felt it no one?s business to know, I did mention in IRC that I was bed ridden yesterday due to ill health when she was around, so this has no grounds. Don?t even say ?don?t be defensive? I will defend myself till I?m dead, especially when town aligned. If I am called out, I sure as hell won?t let it slide unless I feel necessary.
She stabs in the dark to claw to each strand of ?town? she has. I don?t like her play style and she?s prone to mistakes, I?m very sure if she is scum, she would have slipped up by now.
She states she will ?make a case? on people, Ashtot for example yet doesn?t.
Jeremy
Yes, he did fade away but for a day only, he will openly talk about his points. We have to forgive like many of us, he is busy throughout part of the day.
Natty
My reads on natty are simple, the same as Cory and Trundle, there?s not much else, she has spent the game defending her role of which she shares. Karen brought up a good point, I will quote below; I CANT ****ING FIND IT NOW, Basically Natty said something like ?The more people accuse me, the less I want to post? or something, I can?t remember now >.< but yeah, Karen said this gave her a bad feeling and I agree, you should continue to fight till the very end, especially if you?re not a threat to town.
Ok, so I feel sick now, ick! I?ve given my thoughts on everyone alive. I worked on this for a good hour or so, so please tell me if I am wrong at any point, feel free, I might have read stuff wrong but I thought I owed it to town to give my thoughts.
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**** that didnt look too long when i previewed it... sorry!
Cory we know of his ?role? now has he been confirmed or is it still him, natty and trundle all claiming the same thing? Is it possible for them all to be the same thing? Also, win condition I think I missed it, do they win if both town and mafia lose? Or can they win either if so, we need to end them. If not I say leave them, if town can still win with them alive then why waste kills on them? (I don?t really understand the Thief situation so please correct me)
Also, the spelling situation? I doubt Tina would spell anything incorrectly, so I don?t think that?s a thing if ever was.
ryan88
So I made my case on him, after reading how head strong everyone is about him being the Town Roleblocker I am going to agree and drop any suspicions I had one him. I dislike how quick he was to role claim hence why I was so eager to make my case and suspect him, I also didn?t like how he was quick on the mark with Karla, read your role pm?s, if it?s not stated what your action blocks, you can?t be too quick to jump the gun.
Minties
Minties has been very pro town, posting to help and making posts that state exactly why she votes people as well as actively taking part in discussion despite being at work (I understand this), I have town reads from her.
Alice
Not posting as much but its not out of character, she tends to post her thoughts on people not giving a **** really, but she actually posts sensible ideas and adds her thoughts into discussions. I don?t really have a read on her personally. But she?s contributing.
Dolby
I said this last time in my previous post, Dolby is.. Dolby. I will quote it again as I still feel the same.
I don?t have a read on Dolby what so ever, this panics me, I will also be keeping an eye on him too. We?ll see I suppose.
Dad
Dad has been contributing yes, calling me out for ridiculous reasons, I replied accordingly. Now, I recall Dad being dead set on Oath2Order and made a big case on him, then night 1 he died, this I feel is a frame, this is not to be forgotten. His activity is giving me town vibes, actively posting and contributing his every thought. I applaud this. I feel he is town aligned.
Karen
I don?t know her play style anymore, I know she?s usually more active than she is currently BUT she has been replying to posts calling her out, and we all know there?s been a few. Now, whether or not anyone still suspects her is beyond me but she has been contributing more than some.
JellofishXD
I just don?t understand how someone can defend themselves so poorly when I?ve seen their name mentioned various times. Terrible posts and no more than 2 a day, I?d accept two or so posts a day if they were actually insightful. Jello?s of which are not. They do not take part in active discussions and have pitifully defended themselves when called out, I will be keeping a close eye on them from now on.
KarlaKGB
So I made my first poke at Karla, now this was because he wasn?t as active and as head strong as he usually is, now this had me on edge, now as I stated I was willing to wait till he came online. He came online and I had 2 debates with him, both of us sharing our own thoughts, this is why I feel he is town, I don?t have any doubt about it. He is my strongest town read. I am 100% convinced he is town.
Sataric
I have already said reads on him previously. The Feloreena death never sat right with me. He has been taking part in discussion but as already stated, waffling on and padding his posts out and making them go on and on. Stop fluff posting and get straight to the point. Quality over quantity, it?s distracting from the main point of finding scum.
Ashtot
Ashtot is another I feel is town aligned, he is active in discussions and will defend himself. When I called him and Cory out for their jumping votes without just cause, he fought back, not very well mind you but at least he didn?t over look it.
Tom
I had thought on him, but he has become much more active and talkative about his thoughts. I don?t have a read on him at all. Not being active for the past 2 days I?d say was the cause, whilst I was active he was not. From reading his posts, hes contributed and questioned accordingly. Asking for counter claims on Trundle, Cory and Natty. This was a good call, I implore anyone who is a Thief to come out about it, if anyone of them is scum, this could break their cover.
Trundle
He obviously Claimed Thief and there was a situation between all 3 claiming. Usually Trundle is much more vocal, I don?t know if something is occupying him or what but I could believe his Thief claim.
Cariad
Making no effort what so ever, she only will reply do the occasional post calling her out. No active effort in discussions, no active effort in anything, barely posting. I don?t like this, she gives a full blown scum vibe to me, unless she?s claimed and I?ve missed it? Please tell me.
I made a little post on them, I said I?d wait till I had an opinion on her, my opinion is she either puts some effort in and stop hiding away behind invisible so she can lurk the thread without detection.
Yui-Z
Yui, Yui is very slippery, good at being deceitful. I will refer to frozen mafia, she is easy to slip by. She has been acting very clueless but will actively take part in discussions to some degree. She?s brought up her own suspicions on Jeremy, but I don?t think it had any grounds. She gives me a bad vibe and I don?t get town vibes from her. I don?t know if it?s because I?m on edge with her and unwilling to trust her but still, I just won?t trust her without reason.
alise
I am getting scum vibes, point blank, godfather if I was to be exact. Oath2order death for one;
Now, she said this, she wanted to be inspected? If she was town aligned why would she? That would be a huge waste of an inspection, no? She could be the Godfather if any then she could be ?cleared? of all suspicions and continue through the game, unscathed and untouchable as she?s ?confirmed? town. This doesn?t sit well with me at all.awww i wanted to be inspected
rip oath
She avoids peoples questions to her, then comes up with some lame excuse that she didn?t see it or something, I believe she?s done it, I recall seeing Jeremy talk about her in the previous game doing the same, I presumed she had done it in this game.
She made her little case with no grounds, and placed next to my name ?lauren [shes quiet, but this is more of a gut feeling, like with karen}? I?m sick, I felt it no one?s business to know, I did mention in IRC that I was bed ridden yesterday due to ill health when she was around, so this has no grounds. Don?t even say ?don?t be defensive? I will defend myself till I?m dead, especially when town aligned. If I am called out, I sure as hell won?t let it slide unless I feel necessary.
She stabs in the dark to claw to each strand of ?town? she has. I don?t like her play style and she?s prone to mistakes, I?m very sure if she is scum, she would have slipped up by now.
She states she will ?make a case? on people, Ashtot for example yet doesn?t.
Jeremy
Yes, he did fade away but for a day only, he will openly talk about his points. We have to forgive like many of us, he is busy throughout part of the day.
Natty
My reads on natty are simple, the same as Cory and Trundle, there?s not much else, she has spent the game defending her role of which she shares. Karen brought up a good point, I will quote below; I CANT ****ING FIND IT NOW, Basically Natty said something like ?The more people accuse me, the less I want to post? or something, I can?t remember now >.< but yeah, Karen said this gave her a bad feeling and I agree, you should continue to fight till the very end, especially if you?re not a threat to town.
Ok, so I feel sick now, ick! I?ve given my thoughts on everyone alive. I worked on this for a good hour or so, so please tell me if I am wrong at any point, feel free, I might have read stuff wrong but I thought I owed it to town to give my thoughts.
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**** that didnt look too long when i previewed it... sorry!
Sorry! I know it was a sucky post. I'll be honest, I skimmed through the last few pages. I didn't see the part where someone already mentioned the part that Dad missed. I've not been feeling well at all recently.
I would've taken some time out today to try and make a decent contribution, but really I don't have the strength to. If I knew I was going to be like this, then I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. I'll try and make more of an effort tomorrow once I've finished my assignments, regardless of how I'm feeling.
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I also feel guilty because if Lauren can still make an effort with food poisoning, then I should be able to aswell. Eh. :S
The death of the cabin boy, James, had shaken the crew. Most had said not a peep since the incident and had carried on about their business as usual. No one wanted to acknowledge that the illness plaguing them could be fatal.
Kidd sits on a barrel at the bow of the ship, a goblet of rum in his hand, staring out to sea. His chest physically aches, the guilt ebbing away at his heart. He hadn’t meant for his concoction to kill anyone. The ship’s surgeon had reassured him that James had other health complications, but Kidd knew it was nothing but empty words. A life was a life, and the burden for James’ death rested on his shoulders.
He sips at his drink. The sea is calm tonight, despite the endless fog that still persists to surround them. In times of need, the North Star is meant to lead the way. But how can the crew find the answer if the stars are hidden from view? For all they knew The Bellarbor could be completely off course by now.
“Hey, William,” a voice calls.
Kidd looks back over his shoulder. One of the crew members, Justin, stands with a blanket draped around his shoulders. He pulls up a barrel beside Kidd.
“Gonna share?” Justin asks.
“Maybe when you’re older,” Kidd says.
Justin rolls his eyes. After a moment, Kidd gives in and passes him the goblet. He watches the teenager drink. Some days, he feels like a brother to Justin. Other days he feels like his father. If it weren’t for Kidd, the boy wouldn’t even be on this ship. Heck, he might not even be alive.
“Can I ask you something weird?” Justin waits for a nod before continuing. “Have you ever heard of the siren’s call?”
Kidd’s laughter is forced. “Are you drunk on just a sip of rum, lad?”
“I’m serious.” Justin looks down into the cup as he speaks. “According to legend, the sirens sing this glorious song that hypnotises sailors, leading them to crash their ships.”
The former captain thinks back to the night he saw Kayla being stolen away by that glowing, androgynous creature. Was that a siren? He closes his eyes and tries to remember what it was he heard that night. Was it the siren, or was it just the sound of the performers on this ship?
Then he can hear it. That beautiful voice calls out to him, luring him into a daydream. The air turns cold around him. He opens his eyes, and beyond the ship he can see a glow. A face stares at him, extending a hand as they sing in an unknown language. He moves to stand, but then Justin move first.
“Justin?” Kidd says.
But Justin doesn’t stop walking. He reaches out his hand, and in a blink he’s gone from view. Kidd stands, running to the edge of the ship and looking overboard. There’s a distant glow below the surface of the water, that then fades into nothingness.
(1) Dad aka. Justin the Ship’s Numpty (Vanilla Townie) was lured by the sirens:
No one really knows why you’re on this ship. For one, you’re utterly useless. Rumour has it you’re an old work partner of William Kidd’s, but no one understands why you weren’t sacked when ownership of the Bellarbor changed hands to the current Captain. Apparently you’re here for the long haul, so grab a mop and make yourself useful before the crew throw you overboard for “inactivity”.
You have no special abilities. Your voice and your vote are you strongest weapons. With nothing to hide, you should be leading this search.
Win Condition: Successfully eliminate all of the anti-town killing roles.
You have no special abilities. Your voice and your vote are you strongest weapons. With nothing to hide, you should be leading this search.
Win Condition: Successfully eliminate all of the anti-town killing roles.
You have 48 hours to decide which of you will walk the plank.
Day 3 will end 11pm BST (6pm EDT) on Wednesday 3rd September.
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Rip Dad. This can mean one of two things: Dad was completely on the right track with his suspicions OR they killed Dad to frame some people.
I have a super strong suspicion on Dolby and Cariad and I will try to make a longer post later explaining why. I will be voting for one of them today.
I have a super strong suspicion on Dolby and Cariad and I will try to make a longer post later explaining why. I will be voting for one of them today.
Why do posts like these always seem suspicious?
Day 2 Action Plan
Dad's Death:
This, to me, was almost as confusing as oath's death N1. Dad pretty much claimed in the thread that he was a townie:
Maybe they thought Dad was blue claiming townie OR maybe they believe blue roles are not a huge threat, otherwise they surely would have killed someone like Ryan88 by now (which I will get to later). Something about Dad must have made them kill him. But why?
Possibility 1:
Dad was right on track with all his suspicions and due to this they found him a threat. Here is the last part of his long post:
Notice the the last part where he includes Dolby as a minor suspicion and later this escalates into a major suspicion that he voted for Dolby yesterday before switching to Crystal. This is where my suspicion on Dolby comes in.
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Possibility 2:
Due to the large amount of people Dad called out, mafia killed him to cast suspicion on many people. Perhaps he was wrong with all his suspicions.
Notice how he keeps asserting that Cariad is probably town. This is where my other suspicion on Cariad comes in.
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Main Suspects:
Dolby
Summary: He was called out by several users Day 2 including Karla and Jer (several others but slightly on a time crunch now to go back and look).
I started feeling something weird about him when he jumped at the opportunity for the vig to shoot one of the thieves: http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?216580-TBT-Mafia-XV-The-Siren-s-Call-DAY-THREE&p=3736522&viewfull=1#post3736522
Karla's plan made sense and I get that most people would agree to it. But so quickly after the post? I doubt he had enough time to actually think about it, the consequences and the benefits of it. He probably read "VIG KILL THIEF" and naturally, as scum, agreed to it straight away.
Karla also bought up some good points before: http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?216580-TBT-Mafia-XV-The-Siren-s-Call-DAY-THREE&p=3733118#post3733118
If we lynch Dolby and he flips red it probably means that Dad was on the right track with his suspicions.
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Cariad
Summary: Called out several times by many different people. Nearly got lynched Day 2.
IMO we should have lynched Cariad instead of Crystal yesterday. At least Crystal posted and tried to contribute. Cariad has just been throwing out excuse after excuse for not posting. She also claimed blue. So why hasn't mafia killed her yet? She did this weird copy-quote-replies-in-bold thing so I have to just put links:
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?216580-TBT-Mafia-XV-The-Siren-s-Call-DAY-THREE&p=3725743#post3725743
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?216580-TBT-Mafia-XV-The-Siren-s-Call-DAY-THREE&p=3735352#post3735352
If we kill Cariad and she flips red it probably means that Dad was not right about his suspicions, and we could conclude mafia killed him to frame different people.
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I think by killing either one of them we can find out why mafia killed Dad.
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Quick Minor Suspicions:
Ryan88: why isn't he dead yet if he's blue?
JellofishXD: where are you?
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Tomorrow, I have school again so probably back to not so long posts. I haven't decided who I'm going to vote for. I have a gut feeling Cariad might be the better choice because Dolby is good if he's a blue role and dangerous when he's scum (so high risk for us and honestly we're not in a good situation right now, we need all the good town players), but there's some evidence stacked up against him so I'm not too sure. I might have to check past games when I have time to make my decision.
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Dad's Death:
This, to me, was almost as confusing as oath's death N1. Dad pretty much claimed in the thread that he was a townie:
Maybe they thought Dad was blue claiming townie OR maybe they believe blue roles are not a huge threat, otherwise they surely would have killed someone like Ryan88 by now (which I will get to later). Something about Dad must have made them kill him. But why?
Possibility 1:
Dad was right on track with all his suspicions and due to this they found him a threat. Here is the last part of his long post:
Notice the the last part where he includes Dolby as a minor suspicion and later this escalates into a major suspicion that he voted for Dolby yesterday before switching to Crystal. This is where my suspicion on Dolby comes in.
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Possibility 2:
Due to the large amount of people Dad called out, mafia killed him to cast suspicion on many people. Perhaps he was wrong with all his suspicions.
Notice how he keeps asserting that Cariad is probably town. This is where my other suspicion on Cariad comes in.
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Main Suspects:
Dolby
Summary: He was called out by several users Day 2 including Karla and Jer (several others but slightly on a time crunch now to go back and look).
I started feeling something weird about him when he jumped at the opportunity for the vig to shoot one of the thieves: http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?216580-TBT-Mafia-XV-The-Siren-s-Call-DAY-THREE&p=3736522&viewfull=1#post3736522
Karla's plan made sense and I get that most people would agree to it. But so quickly after the post? I doubt he had enough time to actually think about it, the consequences and the benefits of it. He probably read "VIG KILL THIEF" and naturally, as scum, agreed to it straight away.
Karla also bought up some good points before: http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?216580-TBT-Mafia-XV-The-Siren-s-Call-DAY-THREE&p=3733118#post3733118
If we lynch Dolby and he flips red it probably means that Dad was on the right track with his suspicions.
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Cariad
Summary: Called out several times by many different people. Nearly got lynched Day 2.
IMO we should have lynched Cariad instead of Crystal yesterday. At least Crystal posted and tried to contribute. Cariad has just been throwing out excuse after excuse for not posting. She also claimed blue. So why hasn't mafia killed her yet? She did this weird copy-quote-replies-in-bold thing so I have to just put links:
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?216580-TBT-Mafia-XV-The-Siren-s-Call-DAY-THREE&p=3725743#post3725743
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?216580-TBT-Mafia-XV-The-Siren-s-Call-DAY-THREE&p=3735352#post3735352
If we kill Cariad and she flips red it probably means that Dad was not right about his suspicions, and we could conclude mafia killed him to frame different people.
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I think by killing either one of them we can find out why mafia killed Dad.
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Quick Minor Suspicions:
Ryan88: why isn't he dead yet if he's blue?
JellofishXD: where are you?
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Tomorrow, I have school again so probably back to not so long posts. I haven't decided who I'm going to vote for. I have a gut feeling Cariad might be the better choice because Dolby is good if he's a blue role and dangerous when he's scum (so high risk for us and honestly we're not in a good situation right now, we need all the good town players), but there's some evidence stacked up against him so I'm not too sure. I might have to check past games when I have time to make my decision.
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