Why Do People Care About Time Travelers?

[neverqueen]

1) an obvious advantage in any sort of trade situation

uh, who cares? there is zero real life value to in-game items or bells except for what is personally perceived, regardless of RMT.

2) an obvious advantage in any sort of "I'm showing off what I've built, collected and accomplished" situation

i have seen so many thinkpieces about this exact line of thinking. why is it that so many people feel inadequate based on other people's progress? it's not a stranger's job to look out for your feelings, and it's not that you can't also achieve a similar aesthetic/collection/whatever compared to time travellers, it will just take you longer.

Post automatically merged: Apr 23, 2020

Wow, the first pages of this thread were hard to read. No matter how you disagree with each other, going personal level and being overall immature is a yikes. What seems to be the problem in this thread is that some people take arguments against TT way too personally. Even if someone does disagree with your opinion, it does not mean personal vendetta against you as an individual, and expressing dislike is not harassment or bullying. It is just an opinion, even if it did disagree with you. If bad language is used then it is a different situation of course, but it rarely gets fixed by answering bad manners with bad manners.

My stance on time travellers is that as long as they do not spoil stuff I do not have problems with them. The individuals who do spoil earn my well deserved dislike.

people are likely to take it personally when some users are comparing TTers to real life businesses/business owners who routinely exploit the law for profit at the expense of the environment/communities/etc. TTing is not even remotely comparable to real humanitarian and ecological issues, and it's farcical to even attempt the parallel.

ftr, if you're free to dislike these people, then they are free to dislike you.

 

[Stil]

Reality check, its a video game.
I feel like everybody needs to stop worrying about other peoples files on a kids game.

 

[flurrybuster]

I see at least ten times as many pro-TT people as anti-TT people. Maybe thirty times.

Some of these pro-TT people are hostile and "toxic" to anyone who chooses not to TT, regardless of whether they've ever told or even asked others not to TT.

The claims of anti-TT people being a bad element in the community don't even begin to hold up to scrutiny, to me. I'm honestly beyond puzzled how people even continue to claim such with a straight face.

 

[Stil]

I see at least ten times as many pro-TT people as anti-TT people. Maybe thirty times.

Some of these pro-TT people are hostile and "toxic" to anyone who chooses not to TT, regardless of whether they've ever told or even asked others not to TT.

The claims of anti-TT people being a bad element in the community don't even begin to hold up to scrutiny, to me. I'm honestly beyond puzzled how people even continue to claim such with a straight face.

I see quite the contrary

 

[chibski]

People get mad if they see themselves doing something the "right way", but aren't getting as far as people doing it the "wrong way". I didn't used to time travel, but started to because it was too annoying waiting for infrastructure changes. I don't time travel to complete events quickly or finish all my collections and to be honest I don't really understand why people do that, but they paid $60 for this game so they get to play it the way they want to. The game devs have said themselves they don't consider it cheating, so people that claim it is are just being unnecessarily rude. My sister doesn't time travel and claims it makes her morally superior to me, but at the end of the day it's just a game that doesn't matter in the long run.

 

[Stil]

People get mad if they see themselves doing something the "right way", but aren't getting as far as people doing it the "wrong way". I didn't used to time travel, but started to because it was too annoying waiting for infrastructure changes. I don't time travel to complete events quickly or finish all my collections and to be honest I don't really understand why people do that, but they paid $60 for this game so they get to play it the way they want to. The game devs have said themselves they don't consider it cheating, so people that claim it is are just being unnecessarily rude. My sister doesn't time travel and claims it makes her morally superior to me, but at the end of the day it's just a game that doesn't matter in the long run.

Anybody that is going to put themselves on a pedestal because you time travel, is morally inferior.

 

[chibski]

Anybody that is going to put themselves on a pedestal above you because you time travel, is morally inferior.

I think she's upset because even though we got the game at the same time, I've progressed a lot further than she has. But imo that doesn't even have to do with me time travelling - I just play a lot more than she does. Every group of people in any situation will find a subgroup to scapegoat when things don't go their way, so I try not to get offended.

 

[Zura]

Kids game.

Kids aren't ready for the existential baggage that comes with time travel, world lines, dimensional travel, paradoxes, rewriting, etc. The question "why are we here" often comes up our normal day to day lives and time travel steps it up a notch by timings it by ∞. That's what happens when us mortals take control of the power of the universe. We can't be exposing our children to the world of time traveling or they'll risk their Innocence.

Anyways, TT is bad and stuff. Don't @ me

 

[Stil]

Kids aren't ready for the existential baggage that comes with time travel, world lines, dimensional travel, paradoxes, rewriting, etc. The question "why are we here" often comes up our normal day to day lives and time travel steps it up a notch by timings it by ∞. That's what happens when us mortals take control of the power of the universe. We can't be exposing our children to the world of time traveling or they'll risk their Innocence.

Anyways, TT is bad and stuff. Don't @ me

@Zura totally stole this: ∞

 

[chibski]

I see at least ten times as many pro-TT people as anti-TT people. Maybe thirty times.

Some of these pro-TT people are hostile and "toxic" to anyone who chooses not to TT, regardless of whether they've ever told or even asked others not to TT.

The claims of anti-TT people being a bad element in the community don't even begin to hold up to scrutiny, to me. I'm honestly beyond puzzled how people even continue to claim such with a straight face.

While I have seen people advocate for time travel if someone is struggling with something (getting a villager to move out, not waking up in time for turnips, etc), I've never seen a time traveler be openly hostile to a non-TTer. I'm not trying to discount your experiences since I believe you're telling the truth, but anti-TT posts quite often come up in lots of different AC communities. I only discovered this website a couple days ago, but I frequent discord, reddit, and other forums that debate TTing way too much. These debates wouldn't even show up if there weren't so many vocal anti-TTers. Like I mentioned above from my personal experience, I've been shunned by my own sister for TTing just to do construction more quickly and complete events I wasn't able to (see: cherry blossoms). I had a friend refuse to visit my island when she figured out I was a day ahead of her so my game was "ruined" and not "pure" anymore. I just don't understand why TT is such a big deal in the AC community. In other games it's actively encouraged and upvoted in different forums when people figure out different things you can do with it. Not to mention that nothing people do in their own game affects you - people should be able to play the game they bought the way they want to. Again, no hard feelings, but like what @Infinity said, everything I've experienced has been exactly the opposite of what you said.

 

[flurrybuster]

Not to mention that nothing people do in their own game affects you

Animal Crossing is closer to Guild Wars 1, an MMORPG, than it is to a traditional single-player game. People play in their own instances which they can invite others to join them in, and very few people play it entirely alone (though it is an entirely viable option).

If you were suggesting people should be free to TT as long as they never play with any other people, your argument would make sense. But virtually no one does that. People sell and trade and gift items which were attained through TTing, and use Bells and NMTs they only have because of TTing to buy others' goods and services.

This affects everyone who plays online, or with a friend who plays online, or with a friend with a friend who plays online...

In any other online game, people who use equivalent exploits get banned, without question and sometimes without appeal.

 

[Zura]

Let's face it, there's villains on both sides. Some anti-TT can be just plain rude and so can the people for TTing. I think it's more prevalent to see TTers pounce and gang up on the anti considering there's just a lot more TTers here. Trust me I'm also real tired of the copy and pasted post about the "evil anti establishment trying to control us" but we can't judge one side by the actions of the few.

I can't see why we can't be civilized without trying to actively destroy the other side. Besides, at this point arguing is doing absolutely nothing, not a single person has ever changed their mind and never will. We might as well be throwing away our time into a fire. Just let people have their own opinions whether it's for or against. Gezz

 

[Stil]

Animal Crossing is closer to Guild Wars 1, an MMORPG, than it is to a traditional single-player game. People play in their own instances which they can invite others to join them in, and very few people play it entirely alone (though it is an entirely viable option).

If you were suggesting people should be free to TT as long as they never play with any other people, your argument would make sense. But virtually no one does that. People sell and trade and gift items which were attained through TTing, and use Bells and NMTs they only have because of TTing to buy others' goods and services.

This affects everyone who plays online, or with a friend who plays online, or with a friend with a friend who plays online...

In any other online game, people who use equivalent exploits get banned, without question and sometimes without appeal.

If you cant beat em, Join em.

 

[Zura]

If you cant beat em, Join em.

"You either die an anti TTer or live long enough to see yourself become a TTer"

 

[Thyl]

What baffles me is that people here keep mentioning Twitter and Reddit.

This forum is not Twitter or Reddit. If you wanna fight against the discrimination in Twitter and Reddit, then do these posts there. Making tons of posts like this saying how TTers are bullied is in vain when majority here is totally fine with TTing.

 

[Zura]

What baffles me is that people here keep mentioning Twitter and Reddit.

This forum is not Twitter or Reddit. If you wanna fight against the discrimination in Twitter and Reddit, then do these posts there. Making tons of posts like this saying how TTers are bullied is in vain when majority here is totally fine with TTing.

More then half of the community here TTs. Anti is definitely the minority

 

[Thyl]

More then half of the community here TTs. Anti is definitely the minority

Even most non-TTs here seem completely fine with it. Unless saying opinions in mature, non offensive way is considered bullying, then I have only seen handful of actually rude anti-TTs. And those people deserve to be called out in my opinion.

But putting people in radical groups of "purists" and thinking all TTs are spoiling, economic ruining brats is just wrong. If you wanna call out an individual for their bad actions, do so, but don't generalize people if you don't yourself wanna be generalized.

 

[Saaga]

I’m too lazy to find and edit my previous message regarding the subject, so I’m just going to summaries what I had wanted to say about TT.

Some people say that TT ruined the economy. Wasn’t it actually done by dupers via glitch that caused bells to ”meaningless” due inlimited money gained by selling duped items such as crowns, tarantulas and ACNH Switches? I think it is wrong to point fingers at TTs in this regard.

The only complaint I may have for time travelers is that by time traveling to certain seasons they may get access to items that are only available during that season. One special item that comes to mind is the winter furisode which is a very fancy looking kimono with white neck muffler. But what they can’t actually get before hand is the seasonal updates, so they have to wait for those just like non-TTs. I’m most likely going to get spoiled by dataminers than TTs. The only way to avoid spoilers at this point is to quit internet some time.

So technically there isn’t actually no downsides besides turnip rotting and your daily NMT from the ABD resetting all over again. I don’t know if villagers remark time traveling like they did in the previous games. In theory, it only affects the game of the player. I don’t like the aspect of TT, but I can understand why people do it. It is tedious to wait actual few days for a store upgrade or villager moving in-out, and you want to be with ASAP in order to focus on other things. Yes, you are free to do whatever you want to a game you bought as long as it doesn’t affect others.

 

[Soot Sprite]

I don't really care whether or not people TT, I ended up doing a little bit of TTing because I wrecked my town terraforming and I needed to get it fixed asap. I don't see Animal crossing as a competitive game and it's also not my place to tell anyone else how to play. It doesn't seem like that many spoilers are going to be an issue for much longer since new things and events are still getting put in but I'm not worried about getting things spoiled.

 

[Angelwatch]

I’m not reading all 12 pages. I’m just throwing out my opinion.

I don’t care if people TT on their own games but I don’t do it. For me AC is something to play and enjoy over a long period of time. It’s not about instant gratification but a sense of accomplishment over the long term as I build my island up the way I want.

Sure, I could TT and make billions on bells, force out all unwanted villagers, recruit my perfect crew, and so on. But then I’d be pretty bored a week later with nothing left to accomplish.